Joe Biden is one of the most corrupt figures in America today.
Clintons, Obamas, Bush's, Bidens, and many others are as corrupt as they can be.
Human trafficing. Why they want open borders and why the Cartels received weapons by Obama in Fast and Furious.
Supporting Osama Bin Laden and he IS still alive! Why the billions, including cash to Iran? Because Iran is hiding Bin Laden and US tax payer $$$ supporting him. Iran was going to out Obama if he did not pay them blackmail money.
Bengazi? Failed arms deal with Al Queda and the diplomat knew too much so he was left to die.
Corruption in Ukraine? Yes Biden's family made millions from that. Biden knew it all.
Russian Collusion? Totally fabricated about Trump, but the Clintons were in neck deep. Why the Clinton foundation funded the Hypersonic missle stuff in Russia and Uranium sold to Russia under Obama and Clinton. Bill getting half a million to speak 20 minutes in Russia was no joke. The reral collusion was with the DNC and Clintons.
China Joe? Yes, Joe was involved in it. Selling American businesses under the bus.
Lots of proof finally coming out.
Those denying this simply DO NOT KNOW, or are part of the corruption.
Just what I know, and America NEEDS to know now!
Things are about to get ugly.
haha but Trump is an angel with zero fingers in zero pies!
It is funny to think the Trump supporters think the left care about Biden at all. He is a JOKE, but what choice is there? He is running against a global disaster!
Biden is a dementia ridden geriatric, that shouldn't be in charge of anything, let alone be consider for president. The Democratic Party is so corrupt they have no other choice. Sadly this is what the US has offer. Can't wait for the election to be done, so everyone can move on.
No he is not, but Biden has a lifetime of corruption in the government. What ever Trump is, it does NOT excuse 45 plus years of corruption and lies! In comparson, Trump is at least Pro-American!
If you research anything Non-main stream media you will find enough stuff to make you sick.
From Bengazi to the elimination of Seal Team 6. He and Hillory are guilty of MURDER!
Obama hiding things with Iran and both Hillory and Joe in on it, giving Billions $$$$$$ to a know killer of Americans.
There is much more and why his new name is quid pro Joe. Taking millions from Russia, Ukraine, and China. His other name is China Joe for a reason.
He was in on the FAKE investigation of the Trump campaign. Spying on American citizens. That should bother you and everyone.
You and others can blindly follow or actually look into what really happened. You are free to support whoever you want. What you are not free to do is to opt out of the consequences once you have made your choices.
I won't condemn you or anyone for choosing for yourselves, for now that is the American way. I will however be there to remind everyone of their choices if I hear anyone crying about how bad things get!
Ignorance is bliss as long as we have Trump to blame, or the next person that comes along.
FBI spent Millions of $$$$$ and found nothing on Trump.
3 years and millions. Actually longer than that, but we will call it 3 years.
Everyone shits themselves the minute we suggest looking at a democrat for any misdeed. Ever wonder why? Now I am NOT saying it is just democrats. McCain and many other Repulicans are also involved. Trump is just NOT one of them. I personally was never a fan of Trump, but the crimes being committed by our government need to be addressed. Trump is our best option to get that stuff out.
Everything I have posted has a story and documents to back that story.
Facts are Truth, and it will all be out soon. Think twice before you side with the corruption.
LG- I'm agreeing with you. I well aware of everything you stated and probably more.
Quote from: Dryheat on October 16, 2020, 12:10:24 PM
LG- I'm agreeing with you. I well aware of everything you stated and probably more.
Thank Dryheat!
There are more documents already out on this than the FBI could generate in three years and 35 million dollars of digging for anything on Trump. Funny how that works.
You mean joke Biden that's what I call him.
Why post this crap? In a basketball forum?
Biden is a bland sane honest candidate. Trump is a narcissistic liar who only cares about Trump. Trump truly is unhinged. If you have any ties to any of his senior staff ( which I do), you'd know this to be true.
Voting for Trump is choosing between good and evil and choosing evil. The man sows division every chance he gets. He rapes the country in his business operations (not paying taxes), uses the DOJ as his own private law firm to punish his perceived enemies, and spreads lies and crap like the qanon shit then won't even acknowledge it. "Stand down and stand by" he tells is racist thugs.
Claims to have bone Spurs to avoid serving and attacks fallen soldiers like John MCain as losers. I worked for McCain. He was a decent and honest man. Cozies up to Putin and Won't even mention bounties Putin placed on American soldiers heads.
Totally fucked up the covid response. Shoulda shut flights to Europe,not leave loopholes, mobilized ventilators to help in early days and exercised the power Congress gave him to order production of masks and other ppe plus ventilators on day one. Shoulda coordinated acquisition of ppe for states instead of having everyone go it alone and outbid one another for limited supplies. Should lead by example with masks and not lie to us.
Since you asked.
And who is stupid enough to believe some bullshit story that hunter biden took a laptop in for repair, and forgot about it, and a blind repairman (not making this up) somehow recognized him, read his emails, and sent them to Rudy Giuliani. How stupid do you have to be to have to believe this shit? Of course I don't mean you personally, just asking.....
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 17, 2020, 02:06:58 PM
Why post this crap? In a basketball forum?
1.) I think this section is under Let's Talk Politics?
2.) As a Christian, my religious freedoms are very important to me.
3.) As an American, there is nothing more important than than the direction our country is going in and my individual rights as an American citizen.
ALL of which are under attack by political groups and anti-American groups.
Why do we have this section on the site? For this very reason.
I'm just gonna give LG the benefit of the doubt that he is trolling us and not stupid as shit enough to believe any of the seal team six crap. Everyone, leave him alone and stand down and stand by. I got your back LG
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 17, 2020, 04:02:53 PM
And who is stupid enough to believe some bullshit story that hunter biden took a laptop in for repair, and forgot about it, and a blind repairman (not making this up) somehow recognized him, read his emails, and sent them to Rudy Giuliani. How stupid do you have to be to have to believe this shit? Of course I don't mean you personally, just asking.....
Three years of BS investigation into Trump and 30 plus million spent. Nothing but BS charges against a few people who at some point worked in his campaign.
The Biden family is corrupt just like the Clintons! Evidence is there already. Main stream media won't cover it because they are also corrupt. Stuff is coming out and there will likely be some big things coming down soon. Bidens are connected to human trafficking as well as the other BS already in the open.
Will you eat crow and admit it when it does ALL come out? I would if it had been Trump!
I was never a Trump supporter until I had NO other choice.
You don't have a Christian bone in your body if you vote for Trump stop lying to yourself and us. The man is completely immoral and would never ask what would Jesus do.
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 17, 2020, 04:07:14 PM
I'm just gonna give LG the benefit of the doubt that he is trolling us and not stupid as shit enough to believe any of the seal team six crap. Everyone, leave him alone and stand down and stand by. I got your back LG
Thank you JohnyBravo
I am not upset or angry with people who really do not know. The media has lied so much, it is hard to tell who is telling the truth. Trump is NO angel either, not my type of person to be honest. However, the corruption has been there for 40 years, not something new. I have seen (not like Adam Shiff) the connections between all the parts I earlier mentioned. IF what I have been told it true, this in not even the start of what major things will come out soon.
Don't play the IF what I've seen is true bullshit game. You're smart enough to call out bs and not allow yourself to be used in repeating it. Trumps "people are saying....I don't know...." way of lying.
People are saying You're either dumb or evil if you vote for Trump at this stage. I don't know personally but that's what people are saying
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 17, 2020, 04:11:27 PM
You don't have a Christian bone in your body if you vote for Trump stop lying to yourself and us. The man is completely immoral and would never ask what would Jesus do.
Actually I find it interesting that the dems that condemn the new supreme court justice to be because of her religion, are of the supposed same faith. Pelosi and Biden are both Catholic?
I have great deal of faith, but certainly not enough to move mountains. Dems represent open door abortions which I do not believe in. Same sex marriage which I do not believe in. Although I believe Constitution gives us the right to the pursuit of happiness and therefore same sex marriage should be legal? We do not live in a democracy, we live in a Constitutional Republic. The Constitution is all we have. Trump stands for that! The left does not. Silencing our 1st Amendment Rights and trying to take away our 2nd Amendment Rights. Corruption runs very deep.
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 17, 2020, 04:20:10 PM
People are saying You're either dumb or evil if you vote for Trump at this stage. I don't know personally but that's what people are saying
I do not know where you live? I do not have a single neighbor, Black, Hispanic, or otherwise that is supporting Biden. Talk to them regularly.
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 17, 2020, 04:18:53 PM
Don't play the IF what I've seen is true bullshit game. You're smart enough to call out bs and not allow yourself to be used in repeating it. Trumps "people are saying....I don't know...." way of lying.
How come every whistleblower against Trump was without name? Fishy to me!
There are a number of whistle blowers right now connecting the dots and they all have names!
I will put a few names out here later when I have a little more time to discuss the issue. No hiding the facts here.
How did Biden gain his wealth? Go back and research the man. Been in government nearly his entire career. The millions he has gained through selling out america, and American Business is shocking. Then you have the Clintons and many others that are a bigger part of the corruption.
I love seeing people express themselves. Americans love a good fight and a good protest. We are famous for both and part of what makes us a Great Nation. Translate those expressions to the polls and exercise the greatest right we have - THE RIGHT TO VOTE ! I did yesterday and walked my ballet in to a Scottsdale location. Simple, no hassle
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 17, 2020, 04:11:27 PM
You don't have a Christian bone in your body if you vote for Trump stop lying to yourself and us. The man is completely immoral and would never ask what would Jesus do.
It must be painful to be so misinformed.
I'm a devout Catholic, one of millions that prayed countless rosaries for the defeat of HRC. It wasn't that I considered Trump a great human being, I voted for him because he promised to fight for the unborn, which he has. He promised to do what he could to stop the flow of illegal immigration by building a wall on our southern border, which he is in the process of doing. He's been appointing conservative judges, men and women who make rulings based on the constitution, who do not legislate from the bench, and I want him to continue that trend. He's been pouring money into Black businesses, and he's worked to make prison reform work in favor of the many non-violent prisoners, many of whom are African-Americans.
So tell us, Johnny B., what specific actions has the President taken that match the mainstream media's portrayal of him? Be specific, name the action. Are you aware of the fact that through his economic actions, we had the strongest economy in our nation's history, pre covid, with the all-time lowest unemployment rates among both Blacks and Hispanics. Are you truly unaware of the awards the NAACP bestowed upon him before he ran for the highest office as a Republican?
You ask what Jesus would do regarding a great sinner like Trump? If you were familiar with the bible, you would know that Christ dined with the sinners, preferred their company . . . because He entered the world to save the sinners, not the righteous.
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 17, 2020, 04:20:10 PM
People are saying You're either dumb or evil if you vote for Trump at this stage. I don't know personally but that's what people are saying
Not the millions of people that voted for him in 2016, or the millions more that will be voting for him this month, and certainly not the huge numbers of people that attend his rallies. Maybe the "people" you are referring to are the twenty-or-so sad sacks that attend the Creepy One's rallies?
A vote for Trump is a vote against globalism, anarchy, and the economic ruin that the "Green New deal" would bring about. A vote for Trump is a vote for law and order, for a strong economy, and a strong military. And most importantly, a vote for Trump is a vote for the unborn children whose lives have been ravaged by the abortion industry.
I pity you if you think that makes me dumb or evil, when the exact opposite is true.
Both are corrupt. Both are deceitful. Neither deserves the support of any ethical or thoughtful person. Voting for either of these fools is a waste of your vote and encourages/creates future scars to humanity and the world.
For me (not judging here) - this thread underscores the division in this country. We have two sides- on extreme limits of each agenda- trying to pull from the center. IMO we need leadership that starts in the center and reaches out to BOTH sides. Sad state of affairs when we have 330M of us and this is all we have for a choice. Fuck 2020
Quote from: CatInFL on October 18, 2020, 08:04:18 AM
Both are corrupt. Both are deceitful. Neither deserves the support of any ethical or thoughtful person. Voting for either of these fools is a waste of your vote and encourages/creates future scars to humanity and the world.
The votes are not for the individuals as much as the movements they represent. The progressive movement is more global in nature, more socialistic, less individual rights, less personal freedoms. With socialism, the State is the end all, citizens and their abilities exist for the good of the State. That is a far cry from the Democratic-Republic established by the founding fathers.
So I will be voting for the man who believes that what we have is worth keeping, and improving upon. I, along with untold millions of other like-minded people will be voting for the man that believes America is the greatest nation on earth, and wants to make it that much greater, his multitude of sins not withstanding.
Quote from: FOOS on October 18, 2020, 08:25:42 AM
For me (not judging here) - this thread underscores the division in this country. We have two sides- on extreme limits of each agenda- trying to pull from the center. IMO we need leadership that starts in the center and reaches out to BOTH sides. Sad state of affairs when we have 330M of us and this is all we have for a choice. Fuck 2020
You are, quite literally, asking for the impossible; in today's political climate, neither party would nominate a moderate. What we have now is a competition of the highest order; winner takes all.
As to the statement that neither man is worth of our votes; I believe that of the approximately 120 million voters, nearly half are satisfied that Donald J. Trump has their best interests at heart. You may not like his manners, or his past business dealings, but what you can't ignore is his work ethic and ability to get things done . . . to make a difference, albeit one you may not agree with. Few if any past Presidents have accomplished more in their first term. I'm hoping and praying our President is permitted four more years to accomplish that much more.
Exercise our greatest right - VOTE !
Nah Aokay, that's selling your soul to the devil. No denying it. You know it. I do appreciate your articulating the policy reason you support him though rather than spewing conspiracy crap about Biden.
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 18, 2020, 01:56:48 PM
Nah Aokay, that's selling your soul to the devil. No denying it. You know it. I do appreciate your articulating the policy reason you support him though rather than spewing conspiracy crap about Biden.
Video evidence is a conspiracy? His own words is a conspiracy? Not denying Trump is a pain in his own way, but there is a difference between the way Trump and Biden made their money. Lifetime congressmen do NOT make millions like the Bidens unless they are doing something on the side. In this case the evidence points no further than Joe's own family. There are REAL whistleblowers too with REAL names. Real documents and videos.
Look, I support Trump only because there was only one Dem worth a damn in the primaries and she was basically pushed out by the WAY left people. Kudos to her though. Honestly, I did not like Trump, but who else is there? The last candidate I really got behind was Perot. Not much to choose from beyond that. The reason Obama got in was because everyone was tired of the same old crap from lifetime political figures and Obama was new and fresh.
When a conservative conspiracy comes up it must be true no matter how wild and wrong it is, while when a liberal one comes up, it is a conspiracy theory. Thank the media for all of those lies being pushed.
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 18, 2020, 01:56:48 PM
Nah Aokay, that's selling your soul to the devil. No denying it. You know it. I do appreciate your articulating the policy reason you support him though rather than spewing conspiracy crap about Biden.
Judeo / Christian history is filled with examples of God using unlikely candidates to do His will. David, the youngest and least-likely son of Jessie, an uneducated shepherd, was chosen by God to rule the Israelites. Jacob, who stole his brother's birthright by tricking his blind father, became the Father of all the twelve Jewish nations. Moses, who murdered an Egyptian overlord, led God's people to the promise land, although he wasn't permitted to enter it himself. Women, well past birthing age, conceived and bore children. Christ, when he put together his cohort of twelve apostles, chose uneducated, uncouth fishermen, a tax collector (pariah at the time), a thief who ultimately betrayed him, and a religious zealot who, at the time, swore his allegiance to John The Baptist. It is for these reasons that I believe Donald Trump has been chosen by God to lead us away from the evils of socialism, the evil that is abortion, and the evil that will befall humanity if the concentration of power is ever handed over to wealthy globalists. Trump was elected in 2016 because millions of people placed their bets on an outsider, a non politician, too wealthy to be bought, and too tough to quit when the going got rough, which it turned out started before he was sworn into office. So I will vote for Trump a second time and hope he is elected to a second term, very much against the Devil's wishes.
Who does more for this country? That is the primary question and why any sane individual cannot vote for the Dems. Biden spent 47 years making him and his family rich at the expense of the American people and through corrupt deals with foreign adversary's. Trump made his money outside of politics. You may not like his personality, but he has done more in his first term than Biden in 47 years.
Who is dividing America? Libs
Everything is about race. White men = evil and bad; and minorities and women (unless a Republican woman) = righteous and good.
Who hates America as it stands? Libs
Liberals blame America first, hate our founding fathers and and want to get rid of or amend our great constitution.
Who wants to erase our great history? Libs
Leftist universities do not teach American history anymore and BLM and Antifa try to erase history on the streets by taking down any and all statues.
Who is rioting/looting in the streets and destroying livelihoods? Libs
Soros (a German and advocate against America) funded Antifa and BLM are destroying our cities, chanting "down with America".
Who wants to defund our police? Libs
Who is breaking into gated communities and hassling people because they are white or are wealthy? Libs
Liberal prosecutors are freeing criminals and locking up people defending their property.
Who wants to keep us in endless wars at the expense of American lives? Libs
Trump has pulled troops out of many Middle Eastern countries and has destroyed Isis. When is the last time you hear about terrorism or plots against America?
Who's cities are in the worst shape in America? Libs
Dems are leaving liberal cities in droves, and yet vote for those same policies that destroyed their cities).
Liberals are power-hungry socialist/marxist who will do anything to get power. If they run this country, the country, as we know it, will cease to exist.
Trumps 1st term:
Brokered 2 historic Middle East peace accords.
Opportunity zones
Criminal reform
Peace and prosperity/no terrorism or wars
Record level home sales
Highest employment rate for blacks, Hispanics and women
Brought unemployment to its lowest for every group, but especially for minorities and women.
Americans made more money in Trumps 1st 3 years in office, as median income up $6000 per family. This is more than double the 16 years of Bush and Obama.
Per Federal Reserve:
Families at top of income and wealth distribution showed the lowest growth between 2016 – 2019. Families at bottom of income wealth distribution experienced the greatest gains.
Wealth gap shrank under Trump and widened under Biden as VP
Income (net worth) Growth per group:
Lowest tier: 32.5%
2nd lowest: 30.7
Blacks: 32%
Hispanics: 63%
Whites: 4%
The majority of new hires during the Trump presidency were women and minorities.
Biden in 47 years? Crickets!
Quote from: FOOS on October 18, 2020, 09:08:04 AM
Exercise our greatest right - VOTE !
It's not a right. It's a sacred duty.
And it doesn't stop there, we must interact with those elected.
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 18, 2020, 01:56:48 PM
Nah Aokay, that's selling your soul to the devil. No denying it. You know it.
No more so than a vote for Biden. These are not your only two choices.
Quote from: Little George on October 18, 2020, 02:23:23 PM
Honestly, I did not like Trump, but who else is there?
Look at your ballot, there are other names. Don't be a sheep and disenfranchise yourself by not voting your conscience. Heck, if you don't like any of them, vote "none of the above" (a choice that was on every Nevada ballot for decades until the Republicans had removed).
I voted for Perot back when he ran. It allowed the the worser of the two bads to get in. I do not think that works because in a two larty system, third party and independents cannot win. People talk systematic racism which I do not believe exists, but there os a systematic corruption. Like in the California area where under Harris, blacks were punished at a much higher rate and sentence than whites. Only Dems and Reps can get the Presidential win. Only Dems and Reps get tax payer money to run for office.
Question, if it is a rule/law that there are limits to how much a supporter canbgive toward a campaign, why is it Soros can throw millions at offices all across the country? That os one corrupt greedy power hungry man. Anyone he supports is in his corrupt boat!
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 17, 2020, 02:06:58 PM
Why post this crap? In a basketball forum?
To keep it out of the shoutbox.....
You're a moderator?
Is this a qanon site now?
Quote from: Little George on October 15, 2020, 09:59:53 AM
Joe Biden is one of the most corrupt figures in America today.
Clintons, Obamas, Bush's, Bidens, and many others are as corrupt as they can be.
Human trafficing. Why they want open borders and why the Cartels received weapons by Obama in Fast and Furious.
Supporting Osama Bin Laden and he IS still alive! Why the billions, including cash to Iran? Because Iran is hiding Bin Laden and US tax payer $$$ supporting him. Iran was going to out Obama if he did not pay them blackmail money.
Bengazi? Failed arms deal with Al Queda and the diplomat knew too much so he was left to die.
Corruption in Ukraine? Yes Biden's family made millions from that. Biden knew it all.
Russian Collusion? Totally fabricated about Trump, but the Clintons were in neck deep. Why the Clinton foundation funded the Hypersonic missle stuff in Russia and Uranium sold to Russia under Obama and Clinton. Bill getting half a million to speak 20 minutes in Russia was no joke. The reral collusion was with the DNC and Clintons.
China Joe? Yes, Joe was involved in it. Selling American businesses under the bus.
Lots of proof finally coming out.
Those denying this simply DO NOT KNOW, or are part of the corruption.
Just what I know, and America NEEDS to know now!
Things are about to get ugly.
Quote from: Surgeon on October 19, 2020, 08:31:42 AM
You're a moderator?
"Is this a qanon site now?"
Does it look and feel like a qanon (?) site (whatever that means), or does it feel more like a political debate where one can express their views and allow the people that read the comments to come to their own conclusions, with or without doing their own due diligence?
Why is it that the left appears ever fearful of open debate, of open discourse? One would think that should the truth be on their side, they would want to take every opportunity to expose their opponents fallacies, and to show the world that what they believe is the better option. This is where facts and history come into play, where the consequences of actions taken can be observed and judged. Can't do that with the cancel culture, now can we?
You're a moderator?
"Is this a qanon site now?"
Does it look and feel like a qanon (?) site (whatever that means), or does it feel more like a political debate where one can express their views and allow the people that read the comments to come to their own conclusions, with or without doing their own due diligence?
Why is it that the left appears ever fearful of open debate, of open discourse? One would think that should the truth be on their side, they would want to take every opportunity to expose their opponents fallacies, and to show the world that what they believe is the better option. This is where facts and history come into play, where the consequences of actions taken can be observed and judged. Can't do that with the cancel culture, now can we?
Triggered?
I don't remember conspiracies, profiling and political debate being part of this site. It was an honest question. Carry on.
Quote from: Aokay on October 19, 2020, 09:03:00 AM
You're a moderator?
"Is this a qanon site now?"
Does it look and feel like a qanon (?) site (whatever that means), or does it feel more like a political debate where one can express their views and allow the people that read the comments to come to their own conclusions, with or without doing their own due diligence?
Why is it that the left appears ever fearful of open debate, of open discourse? One would think that should the truth be on their side, they would want to take every opportunity to expose their opponents fallacies, and to show the world that what they believe is the better option. This is where facts and history come into play, where the consequences of actions taken can be observed and judged. Can't do that with the cancel culture, now can we?
Quote from: Surgeon on October 19, 2020, 08:31:42 AM
You're a moderator?
Is this a qanon site now?
Quote from: Little George on October 15, 2020, 09:59:53 AM
Joe Biden is one of the most corrupt figures in America today.
Clintons, Obamas, Bush's, Bidens, and many others are as corrupt as they can be.
Human trafficing. Why they want open borders and why the Cartels received weapons by Obama in Fast and Furious.
Supporting Osama Bin Laden and he IS still alive! Why the billions, including cash to Iran? Because Iran is hiding Bin Laden and US tax payer $$$ supporting him. Iran was going to out Obama if he did not pay them blackmail money.
Bengazi? Failed arms deal with Al Queda and the diplomat knew too much so he was left to die.
Corruption in Ukraine? Yes Biden's family made millions from that. Biden knew it all.
Russian Collusion? Totally fabricated about Trump, but the Clintons were in neck deep. Why the Clinton foundation funded the Hypersonic missle stuff in Russia and Uranium sold to Russia under Obama and Clinton. Bill getting half a million to speak 20 minutes in Russia was no joke. The reral collusion was with the DNC and Clintons.
China Joe? Yes, Joe was involved in it. Selling American businesses under the bus.
Lots of proof finally coming out.
Those denying this simply DO NOT KNOW, or are part of the corruption.
Just what I know, and America NEEDS to know now!
Things are about to get ugly.
Nope, just posted an opinion. I have only deleted one post ever, and it was by accident. I notified that person and informed him to please repost it. While I do not agree with everyone, i respect the opinion of all. That is what freedom allows.
Quote from: Surgeon on October 19, 2020, 09:10:28 AM
Triggered?
I don't remember conspiracies, profiling and political debate being part of this site. It was an honest question. Carry on.
Quote from: Aokay on October 19, 2020, 09:03:00 AM
You're a moderator?
"Is this a qanon site now?"
Does it look and feel like a qanon (?) site (whatever that means), or does it feel more like a political debate where one can express their views and allow the people that read the comments to come to their own conclusions, with or without doing their own due diligence?
Why is it that the left appears ever fearful of open debate, of open discourse? One would think that should the truth be on their side, they would want to take every opportunity to expose their opponents fallacies, and to show the world that what they believe is the better option. This is where facts and history come into play, where the consequences of actions taken can be observed and judged. Can't do that with the cancel culture, now can we?
We are trying to keep politics off the shout box. Seperating politics from sports is almost impossible now days. This is where we pit the crap. IF I post something political, I can usually back it up. There are actual whistleblowers who have real names in this case and have come out. Not just one, but several. This is a real case of WHY so much money has passed tbrough Hunter Biden's hands to his family. If it were a Trump it would be the end of the world. Double standard in the courts and FBI and CIA and the press are clear as day. The issues need ro be resolved.
Is anyone suggesting that the people who created and maintain this site aren't entitled to explore issues not strictly sports related? If anyone is, are you not free to choose other sites that offer content more to your liking? You're the consumer, receiving free information; if you're dissatisfied with the free product, start your own site and take on the burdens associated with being the boss. Or, you might consider avoiding the topics that don't interest you.
Aokay- maybe a name change would suit you. Your only okay with topics or opinions that fit your narrative.
I'm with everyone having a right to voice their opinion.
Quote from: Dryheat on October 19, 2020, 01:17:10 PM
Aokay- maybe a name change would suit you. Your only okay with topics or opinions that fit your narrative.
??? How can you possibly know what suits me, I've only just started commenting. Truth be told, I'm grateful for and approve of all that the site offers. What a strange comment.
Quote from: Little George on October 19, 2020, 07:06:47 AM
Only Dems and Reps can get the Presidential win.
This is a self fulfilling prophecy (maybe self fulfilling idiocy is more accurate). As long as the sheep keep believing it, it will be true. When enough people stop wasting their vote on this inaccurate belief, we the people will be able to take back the government, implement term limits by voting, and return civility and freedom to our nation. Until then we will get what we deserve, the lesser of two evils.
Quote from: CatInFL on October 19, 2020, 05:40:58 PM
Quote from: Little George on October 19, 2020, 07:06:47 AM
Only Dems and Reps can get the Presidential win.
This is a self fulfilling prophecy (maybe self fulfilling idiocy is more accurate). As long as the sheep keep believing it, it will be true.
When enough people stop wasting their vote on this inaccurate belief, we the people will be able to take back the government,
implement term limits by voting, and return civility and freedom to our nation. Until then we will get what we deserve, the lesser of two evils.
"When enough people stop wasting their vote on this inaccurate belief, we the people will be able to take back the government,"
Any thoughts on how to make that happen?
"implement term limits by voting,"
I'm all for that. How do we as voters make that happen?
"and return civility"
How is that controllable?
". . . and freedom to our nation."
The citizens of this nation are as free as any on earth when it comes speaking our minds.
Quote from: Aokay on October 20, 2020, 09:51:09 AM
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Quote from: Little George on October 19, 2020, 07:06:47 AM
Only Dems and Reps can get the Presidential win.
This is a self fulfilling prophecy (maybe self fulfilling idiocy is more accurate). As long as the sheep keep believing it, it will be true.
When enough people stop wasting their vote on this inaccurate belief, we the people will be able to take back the government,
implement term limits by voting, and return civility and freedom to our nation. Until then we will get what we deserve, the lesser of two evils.
"When enough people stop wasting their vote on this inaccurate belief, we the people will be able to take back the government,"
Any thoughts on how to make that happen?
"implement term limits by voting,"
I'm all for that. How do we as voters make that happen?
"and return civility"
How is that controllable?
". . . and freedom to our nation."
The citizens of this nation are as free as any on earth when it comes speaking our minds.
Perot was a great candidate. Just did not happen.
Trump was a Democrat years ago. He left that party because that party left him for liberalism. He only went Republican because he knew he could not win as an independent. While Trump has many issues, he was and is the lesser of two evils. That is what we all have voted on for the last 3-4 decades of government corruption. I would love to see us unseat the two party system but it will not coming any time soon as long as the corrupt media is in the pockets of the liberal push to fundamentally change our country. That IS the reason Trump is the better choice, not the answer to all of our problems. It will take the people getting together and rising up together to repair our country and government. This IS why the the division through identity politics is being used. Divided, the people cannot stand! The country cannot stand. Everyone here has the right and opportunity to post their thoughts and ideas. I encourage that. The personal attacks need to NOT be posted. It remains WE the people as long as WE the people stand together. Both parties are corrupt. The Democrats have just been taking the extremism of liberalism WAY out there.
I would like to see some changes like:
1.) It is against the law to lie to Congress, but Congress can lie to the people? Adam Shiff swore he had evidence of Trump collusion, when there was none. Meuller spent 30 mil plus to investigate "Russian Collusion", yet ignored Russian Collusion and went after Trump and anyone associated with his campaign. Hillory was clearly colluding. Shiff lied about it. The FBI lied about it and wrongfully prosecuted Michael Flynn.
If the people cannot lie to the FBI and Congress, then it should be just as big a crime for the FBI and Congress to lie to the people!
2.) Term limits! 8 years for the President, 12 for the Senate, 8 for the House of Reps. Supreme Court a lifetime appointment? Maybe it should not be?
3.) End immediately ALL retirement benefits and pay for any and all elected officials! Why is it congress continues to rake in huge pay raises and then draw that money the rest of their lives while they continue to cut military retirement benefits and pay? They are supposed to be servants of the people! Military are servants of the country, and state in the case of guard members.
4.) Congress shall make NO law that does NOT apply to Congress. That alone would eliminate Obama care.
5.) Congressional travel. Why is it that the average travel expenses per Congressman/woman is over 2.2 mil per year? The Congress person represents an area, and has business in DC, yet we see how many just travelling everywhere and NOT representing the people in their OWN area? Any travel outside of their own district and between that district and DC should not be on the tax payer dime!
I have lots of other ideas, but these things do need addressed and how we come to resolving these issues is by being involved in our government and what the government is doing, ALL the time and not just during an election.
Quote from: Little George on October 20, 2020, 10:24:49 AM
It will take the people getting together and rising up together to repair our country and government. This IS why the the division through identity politics is being used. Divided, the people cannot stand!
Exactly my point. Vote for the lesser of two evils and get the lesser of two idiots. When we the people stop falling for the idea that the Dems and Reps control everything, the Dems and Reps will no longer control everything. When we learn to be the herder and not the herd, we will be in control. Why not start now by voting for third or fourth party candidates?
Aokay......
"When enough people stop wasting their vote on this inaccurate belief, we the people will be able to take back the government,"
Any thoughts on how to make that happen?
Vote your conscience, Dems and Reps are not the only choices on the ballot. Or, run for office yourself.
"and return civility"
How is that controllable?
Getting rid of the Dem/Rep only system, might encourage an exchange of ideas instead of the rampant, hateful, unthinking tribalism that now exists. It would control itself by allowing/(insisting?) that adults act like adults.
The citizens of this nation are as free as any on earth when it comes speaking our minds.
Maybe, probably, but the Dems and Reps both work diligently to remove other freedoms. That's something I agree with the whiners on both sides of the aisle about.
This country will tear itself apart until we pull away from a two party system. This thread has brought more hatred (and posts) than any sports over the past few years...and from a website that's meant to bring people together.
Both candidates are terrible representatives for this country. The difference is that Trump is proud about being hated on an international level.
In reference to the religious aspect: Christians have killed more people in the history of mankind...unquestionably more than any other group of terrorists. They are corrupt, gullible and greedy. It's a joke to claim that you care about unborn fetuses (that haven't experienced one second of life), yet you can allow radicals to purchase fully-automatic weapons to blow away large groups of innocent adults (who have FAMILIES).
I'm just counting down the days until the next Civil War...
Quote from: KansasCityCats on October 22, 2020, 08:16:49 AM
This country will tear itself apart until we pull away from a two party system. This thread has brought more hatred (and posts) than any sports over the past few years...and from a website that's meant to bring people together.
Both candidates are terrible representatives for this country. The difference is that Trump is proud about being hated on an international level.
In reference to the religious aspect: Christians have killed more people in the history of mankind...unquestionably more than any other group of terrorists. They are corrupt, gullible and greedy. It's a joke to claim that you care about unborn fetuses (that haven't experienced one second of life), yet you can allow radicals to purchase fully-automatic weapons to blow away large groups of innocent adults (who have FAMILIES).
I'm just counting down the days until the next Civil War...
Likely!
Quote from: KansasCityCats on October 22, 2020, 08:16:49 AM
This country will tear itself apart until we pull away from a two party system. This thread has brought more hatred (and posts) than any sports over the past few years...and from a website that's meant to bring people together.
HEAR HEAR !
Both candidates are terrible representatives for this country. The difference is that Trump is proud about being hated on an international level.
In reference to the religious aspect: Christians have killed more people in the history of mankind...unquestionably more than any other group of terrorists. They are corrupt, gullible and greedy. It's a joke to claim that you care about unborn fetuses (that haven't experienced one second of life), yet you can allow radicals to purchase fully-automatic weapons to blow away large groups of innocent adults (who have FAMILIES).
I'm just counting down the days until the next Civil War...
Quote from: Johnny-bravo on October 17, 2020, 04:02:53 PM
And who is stupid enough to believe some bullshit story that hunter biden took a laptop in for repair, and forgot about it, and a blind repairman (not making this up) somehow recognized him, read his emails, and sent them to Rudy Giuliani. How stupid do you have to be to have to believe this shit? Of course I don't mean you personally, just asking.....
The New York Post and Hunter's former business partner for starters.
What kind of dumb-ass pawns his laptop and then doesn't redeem it in the 90-day period before it becomes the property of the pawn shop? Why is he hurting that bad for cash? Have his accounts been frozen but left unreported?
Reports are surfacing that there's child porn on the hard drive. The story is now a worldwide bombshell that has little chance of being blown off, or proven false. Hunter is in deep shit, and so is his daddy if the MSM ceases to shield the slimy Biden crime family.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on October 22, 2020, 08:16:49 AM
This thread has brought more hatred (and posts) than any sports over the past few years.
Maybe I'm just slow (ok, it's more of a likelihood), but I've felt very little hatred in this thread. It's mostly been a good exchange of ideas.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on October 22, 2020, 08:16:49 AM
This country will tear itself apart until we pull away from a two party system. This thread has brought more hatred (and posts) than any sports over the past few years...and from a website that's meant to bring people together.
Both candidates are terrible representatives for this country. The difference is that Trump is proud about being hated on an international level.
In reference to the religious aspect: Christians have killed more people in the history of mankind...unquestionably more than any other group of terrorists. They are corrupt, gullible and greedy. It's a joke to claim that you care about unborn fetuses (that haven't experienced one second of life), yet you can allow radicals to purchase fully-automatic weapons to blow away large groups of innocent adults (who have FAMILIES).
I'm just counting down the days until the next Civil War...
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"This country will tear itself apart until we pull away from a two party system."
That's fine with me, but speaking practically, how can we make that work? I seriously doubt this idea is possible, but I'd jump on board if a solid plan surfaced.
"This thread has brought more hatred (and posts) than any sports over the past few years"
Speaking for myself, there was no hatred involved. The thread started with a condemnation of Biden, some disagreed, I agreed with Little George. Besides, I love to debate, and would be perfectly happy taking either side of most any topic.
"...and from a website that's meant to bring people together."
I thought the site was established to inform the fans (and enemies) of Wildcat sports what was up. If people came together, that's great, but I'm fine with gathering the information, commenting occasionally, and rolling on my own. Fans don't have to agree, or get along, to be true fans, so I challenge your claim to know what the founders of this site had in mind at the inception. If they say you're right and I'm wrong, it's no skin off my nose, life goes on.
"Both candidates are terrible representatives for this country. The difference is that Trump is proud about being hated on an international level."
And now you show your progressive colors and spout this crap. Trump is proud of America, it's military, which he has helped restore to strength through trillions of dollars of funding, the first responders, and hard working men and women in all walks of life. If we are hated on an international level, it's by the wealthy globalists, the progressive parties in Europe who are losing ground to the populist movement, the regimes in Iran, and China, and the progressive press, which together, I consider a great plus.
"In reference to the religious aspect: Christians have killed more people in the history of mankind...unquestionably more than any other group of terrorists.
This is pure, unadulterated, baseless horseshit. The greatest number of forced deaths came at the hands of communist and facist regimes, by men named Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Musselini, etc ... I can guarengoddamtee you these were not the works of any true Christian organization. And if you're going to hold up the crusades as the basis for your argument, that was a war between Christianity and the Muslim world, for control of Europe, and even those numbers pale in comparison to the
deaths of innocent communist citizens.
"They are corrupt, gullible and greedy." (Meaning Christians)
You're personally familiar with every Christian? You don't know me, because if you did, you'd know I'm none of those things.
"It's a joke to claim that you care about unborn fetuses"
It's anything but a joke, The right to life is the most basic of all the rights our constitution grants us. Human life begins at conception, that's an irrefutable, scientific fact, not an opinion. Once that life has been created, it should, and hopefully will be in the near future, granted all the same rights of the born.
"( . . . that haven't experienced one second of life),"
An unscientific statement meant to mislead the uninformed and pardon the selfish act. Do you have any idea what the development of a nine-week old human being entails? If you did, I doubt very much you would have made this statement.
"yet you can allow radicals to purchase fully-automatic weapons to blow away large groups of innocent adults (who have FAMILIES)."
This is ignorant on at least two fronts. If you meant to say I approve of radicals owning fully-automatic weapons, you'd be wrong for these reasons: I don't have a say in who can legally purchase firearms, that's a matter for the government agencies that regulate gun sales. AND, this is a HUGE AND, fully-automatic weapons are 100% illegal, no one is permitted to own or sell them. FYI, these particular weapons haven't been used in any of the mass shootings. Words matter, just as facts do. You should exhibit more diligence with both. Lastly, making the jump from supporting the lives of the unborn, and suggesting that the issues of gun control and abortion are like subjects is ludicrous. Something like fifty-million unborn lives have been aborted since Roe v Wade. Remind me how many live have been lost as a result of mass shootings over the same time period. Do you know the numbers? They're not what most people might think, unless they needed a talking point to attack the second amendment. BTW, I don't own any guns, haven't since our children were born in the 80s.
"I'm just counting down the days until the next Civil War..."
If the left doesn't disavow the anarchists burning down our cities, the city councils wanting to defund the police, and the asswipes that attack conservatives as they eat in public, many of them elderly, or partake in Trump rallies, or wear MAGA hats, your countdown will be short. It's not the conservatives who drew first blood, it was people like Maxine Waters, and numb nuts, like the tough-guy actor, Little Bobby Dinero, who promoted violence just moments after Trump took office. That shit got old, fast. People will only be pushed around for so long before they defend themselves. We (conservatives) won a legitimate election in 2016, that much of the left has yet to accept There's a very good chance Trump will be reelected. If he is, and the left chooses not to accept the results a second time, and pull the same tired shit again, it ain't gonna be pretty. I, for one, hope that the anarchists, should they start burning and pillaging again, will be dealt with swiftly and decisively. If Trump loses, which I recognize is a distinct possibility, I'll make myself a bowl of oatmeal, take a walk, have a cup of coffee, and maybe a few oreos, go online, take a nap, and prepare dinner: same old same old. What I won't be doing is acting like a spoiled child who was told no and went into a tantrum because I didn't get my way. Which is, for most, the conservative way.
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Quote from: KansasCityCats on October 22, 2020, 08:16:49 AM
This thread has brought more hatred (and posts) than any sports over the past few years.
Maybe I'm just slow (ok, it's more of a likelihood), but I've felt very little hatred in this thread. It's mostly been a good exchange of ideas.
You're not slow, no matter how much you'd like to be. You were spot on.
True. This thread is 1,000x more respectful than any public forum (which is the reason that I strictly stick to sports on the internet).
I'm just frustrated that the people in our country are forced to choose either "left" or "right". If you're inbetween (or have any glimmer of an independent mind), you're thrown out as an outcast.
Perhaps one day, a Democrat will have the guts to cut taxes, or a republican will be open to the idea of limiting (not banning) excessive firearms.
Whatever...these two guys are somehow the best options for us to succeed as a country. What a sad time to be alive in the US.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on October 22, 2020, 08:11:32 PM
True. This thread is 1,000x more respectful than any public forum (which is the reason that I strictly stick to sports on the internet).
I'm just frustrated that the people in our country are forced to choose either "left" or "right". If you're inbetween (or have any glimmer of an independent mind), you're thrown out as an outcast.
Perhaps one day, a Democrat will have the guts to cut taxes, or a republican will be open to the idea of limiting (not banning) excessive firearms.
Whatever...these two guys are somehow the best options for us to succeed as a country. What a sad time to be alive in the US.
KC, the system can only work when both parties come to the table "representing the people" not seeking power, and negotiate what is better for the nation as a whole! Seems the right veered right and the left took a sharp 90 degree left and off the table. Trump may be the only guy somewhat in the middle right now and he gets hatred from both sides. I support him because I do NOT support extreme pulls left or right. I support him because there hasn't been a good candidate since Perot from either party and years before that since the last good one. Where do they come up with the trash running for office? It is like the bottom of the barrel retards all running to control the government. At the current rate there will be a civil war, or something close because of the divide. It did not start with Trump!
I respectfully disagree. Every other word that comes out of his mouth is "Democrats". Not in a positive tone, but to blame "the other guys" for every wrongdoing in this country.
There was no "us versus them" prior to his term.
Totally agree with your ideals to represent the people, though. Hoping we overcome this one day...in the near future.
We can respectfully disagree KC. No harm done.
One thing is certain. In a few weeks we'll find out if Trump is one and done or playing PG for 4 more years
Quote from: FOOS on October 23, 2020, 07:51:13 AM
One thing is certain. In a few weeks we'll find out if Trump is one and done or playing PG for 4 more years
Well played FOOS, well played.
lol
Quote from: KansasCityCats on October 23, 2020, 04:59:18 AM
I respectfully disagree. Every other word that comes out of his mouth is "Democrats". Not in a positive tone, but to blame "the other guys" for every wrongdoing in this country.
There was no "us versus them" prior to his term.
Totally agree with your ideals to represent the people, though. Hoping we overcome this one day...in the near future.
"There was no "us versus them" prior to his term."
Clearly you have spent very little time observing conservative websites. On our end, it always feels like it's us against the world: the human secularists, globalists, and the mainstream media. Trump was elected for this very reason. Millions of conservatives felt disenfranchised, and still do.
I definitely avoid any political websites, as they're typically full of internet trolls that love pushing each others' buttons, rather than reasonably discussing world views.
I'm glad that you feel that way. It shows that Trump isn't a true representative of the conservative parties, and that everybody is striving for our country to change for the better. Hopefully we can find a candidate that will positively change the US in another 4 years.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on October 23, 2020, 08:55:16 AM
I definitely avoid any political websites, as they're typically full of internet trolls that love pushing each others' buttons, rather than reasonably discussing world views.
I'm glad that you feel that way. It shows that Trump isn't a true representative of the conservative parties, and that everybody is striving for our country to change for the better. Hopefully we can find a candidate that will positively change the US in another 4 years.
Take a peek at Candice Owens, a young, Black, conservative voice (Warning, she's as articulate as they come, regardless of race). Also, Ben Shapiro, co owner of the Daily Wire; he's a young, orthodox Jew that speaks on college campuses at the behest of Young Republicans. If you decide to give these two a listen, and don't find them to be kooks, you might look into "Black Voices for Trump." Should you travel down this road, you might discover that many intelligent Blacks are challenging the notion that the Democratic Party deserves their votes.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on October 23, 2020, 04:59:18 AM
There was no "us versus them" prior to his term.
The first time I remember "us versus them" was during the attempt to impeach Nixon. So, it'd been going on for a while, and it has seemed to be increase in an exponential fashion ever since. Hopefully it has reached a crescendo (though I doubt it).
In my opinion, we need to redefine (and greatly limit) the role of the federal government. Until we do, we the people will forever be the losers against this gigantic mechanism that constantly seeks (on both sides of the aisle) to increase it's power and hence limit our freedoms.
I suggest that the federal government is in place to:
1) provide a national infrastructure (i.e. roads and such)
2) provide a national defense
3) create a framework for protecting us against the bad players in life in situations where state/local governments can not.
Anything more is an over step by those seeking more power, as (again) happens continually on both sides of the aisle.
Quote from: CatInFL on October 25, 2020, 09:03:15 AM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on October 23, 2020, 04:59:18 AM
There was no "us versus them" prior to his term.
The first time I remember "us versus them" was during the attempt to impeach Nixon. So, it'd been going on for a while, and it has seemed to be increase in an exponential fashion ever since. Hopefully it has reached a crescendo (though I doubt it).
In my opinion, we need to redefine (and greatly limit) the role of the federal government. Until we do, we the people will forever be the losers against this gigantic mechanism that constantly seeks (on both sides of the aisle) to increase it's power and hence limit our freedoms.
I suggest that the federal government is in place to:
1) provide a national infrastructure (i.e. roads and such)
2) provide a national defense
3) create a framework for protecting us against the bad players in life in situations where state/local governments can not.
Anything more is an over step by those seeking more power, as (again) happens continually on both sides of the aisle.
100% on your 3 points of the Fed Gov role. I vaguely remember the Nixon impeachment but it was nasty. I first voted for Ronald Reagan and have voted both Rep and Dem along the way. From my perspective - I've never seen the nation more divided and it's sad to see
Very true. The divide has been around for a while, but I can't remember the constant bickering/blaming of both parties in recent memory.
The 3 points are great. If the National government focused on the important issues, local elected officials could make a difference for their communities.
Hell, the national defense may not even be necessary if our leaders aren't constantly pissing off powers like China and Korea. Our country has never been attacked (outside of an airplane), so it seems silly to our billions of dollars to "defend" soil that hasn't been threatened. Then our tax dollars could be efficiently used towards teacher wage increases, roads, etc.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on October 25, 2020, 09:43:51 AM
Very true. The divide has been around for a while, but I can't remember the constant bickering/blaming of both parties in recent memory.
The 3 points are great. If the National government focused on the important issues, local elected officials could make a difference for their communities.
Hell, the national defense may not even be necessary if our leaders aren't constantly pissing off powers like China and Korea. Our country has never been attacked (outside of an airplane), so it seems silly to our billions of dollars to "defend" soil that hasn't been threatened. Then our tax dollars could be efficiently used towards teacher wage increases, roads, etc.
Yes KC, and there were some in our government who knew something was about to happen and let it for personal reasons. Bush Jr. was an arse and IS part of the corruption in our government and country.
Welp - down to the final few days (unless the vote count goes haywire ala Bush/Gore) If memory serve me right that wasnt settled until Dec. Bush cried out "get me Roger Stone" who found a loophole in the Florida law that required the vote count to be halted by XX date. Interesting process that year
So - will trump be one and done ? or does he stick around and play PG for 4 more ?
Quote from: FOOS on October 31, 2020, 12:04:32 PM
Welp - down to the final few days (unless the vote count goes haywire ala Bush/Gore) If memory serve me right that wasnt settled until Dec. Bush cried out "get me Roger Stone" who found a loophole in the Florida law that required the vote count to be halted by XX date. Interesting process that year
So - will trump be one and done ? or does he stick around and play PG for 4 more ?
Trump 2020 win, but the key will be the house and senate. if the dems have both trump will be impeached for breathing the air and Pence will as well the following week.
Quote from: Little George on October 31, 2020, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: FOOS on October 31, 2020, 12:04:32 PM
Welp - down to the final few days (unless the vote count goes haywire ala Bush/Gore) If memory serve me right that wasnt settled until Dec. Bush cried out "get me Roger Stone" who found a loophole in the Florida law that required the vote count to be halted by XX date. Interesting process that year
So - will trump be one and done ? or does he stick around and play PG for 4 more ?
Trump 2020 win, but the key will be the house and senate. if the dems have both trump will be impeached for breathing the air and Pence will as well the following week.
We should have started a pool... lol.
I try to be a-political because I happily serve the office, not the man. However, this election has reached a point where I can no longer hold my tongue. The stakes can not be higher. Our nations future REALLY is on the line. So here is the difference between the two candidates in simple terms:
Trump in 47 months:
* He was a billionaire before becoming POTUS... he took a major financial hit to become President.
* Has not accepted a single paycheck while POTUS.
* Renegotiated NAFTA for USMCA... which Biden himself said was a better trade deal (Biden voted for NAFTA).
* We were suppose to be in WWIII right now... Instead, Trump is the first POTUS in 30+ years not to start a war.
* Middle East was supposed to be on fire after moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Instead, we have 3 Arab countries normalizing relations with Israel.
* Instead of appeasing terrorists, Iran's chief terrorist Soleimani and ISIS leader Al Baghdadi are dead. ISIS crushed.
* 33.1% GDP growth in Q3 (after equal drop in Q2)... Trump didn't lie about a "V shaped recovery".
* Historic lows in black, hispanic, asian unemployment (pre-covid)
* Historic investments in black communities (opportunity zones, investment in HBCUs, criminal just reforms)
* CONTROLLED immigration instead of open borders.
* NATO allies are being forced to pay their fair share for defending Europe.
* Harsher sanctions on Putin and Russia than Obama/Biden ever imposed.
* Decoupling from China economically. FYI - China had been stealing intellectual property for decades. Trump put an end to that and forced China into a new trade deal.
* Energy independence. US is now a net exporter of oil and natural gas.
* Deregulation and tax cuts
* COVID:
We are near the "best case scenario" statistics according to computer models from April: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/best-case-and-worst-case-coronavirus-forecasts-are-very-far-apart/
Europe (with similar size population) has as many casualties as the US.
Europe (with mask mandates) has higher infection rate than US.
US has higher GDP than almost any other country post COVID... We CAN'T SHUT DOWN over a virus that has a 99% survival rate!!!
Biden in 47 YEARS:
* 1994 and 98 crime bills that he sponsored locked up a disproportionate number of black men.
* NAFTA shipped jobs to Canada and Mexico
* Obamacare was supposed to lower premiums (it didn't) ... And, remember the "You can keep your doctor" promise?
* ISIS spread through Syria, Iraq, and N. Africa
* Two presidential campaigns failed because of plagiarism and lies.
* A son and brother who cashed in by selling the Biden name in every country that Joe was the point man... Russia, Ukraine, China. Or perhaps totally legit businesses in corrupt countries really had legit reasons for paying millions to a drug addicted sex addict.
* China LITERALLY owns Joe Biden.
... Can anyone NAME ONE SINGLE BIDEN ACCOMPLISHMENT THEY ARE PROUD OF????????
A Biden Presidency:
* Big Tech will silence dissent
* 1st and 2nd (and probably 4th) Amendments will be gutted.
* Defense will be gutted.
* Tax increases: Repealing the Trump tax cuts will LITERALLY raise taxes on EVERYONE... not just those making $400k/year. You cannot pay for the "green new deal", "medicare for all", "free community college/public university" by only taxing the super rich... who already pay over 80% of all taxes.
* Open borders... no deportations of criminal illegal aliens. Amnesty for over 20 million illegal aliens... (job losses and lower wages for American workers)
* Re-entry into the Paris climate agreement (essentially wealth transfer from US/Europe to developing countries... BTW, China is still considered a "developing" country, so US taxpayer money would actually go DIRECTLY to the CCP).
* Green New Deal costing TRILLIONS, but not having any impact on the climate.
* Anti-American indoctrination returns to Fed Govt, schools.
* $6-7 (or more) for a gallon of gas. Biden can't lie... He said he would end fracking and impose regulations on oil that will essentially kill the oil industry.
* More lockdowns and mask mandates.
* Manufacturing jobs will disappear.
* SCOTUS will be destroyed.
* Senate will end the filibuster.
* Biden will lead an effective strategy to mobilize truinderfrandizprezzure.
Wake up Arizona!!! VOTE based on LOGIC and true policies that WILL affect you!!!
Quote from: WildcatInUK on November 01, 2020, 12:17:00 PM
I try to be a-political because I happily serve the office, not the man. However, this election has reached a point where I can no longer hold my tongue. The stakes can not be higher. Our nations future REALLY is on the line. So here is the difference between the two candidates in simple terms:
Trump in 47 months:
* He was a billionaire before becoming POTUS... he took a major financial hit to become President.
* Has not accepted a single paycheck while POTUS.
* Renegotiated NAFTA for USMCA... which Biden himself said was a better trade deal (Biden voted for NAFTA).
* We were suppose to be in WWIII right now... Instead, Trump is the first POTUS in 30+ years not to start a war.
* Middle East was supposed to be on fire after moving the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Instead, we have 3 Arab countries normalizing relations with Israel.
* Instead of appeasing terrorists, Iran's chief terrorist Soleimani and ISIS leader Al Baghdadi are dead. ISIS crushed.
* 33.1% GDP growth in Q3 (after equal drop in Q2)... Trump didn't lie about a "V shaped recovery".
* Historic lows in black, hispanic, asian unemployment (pre-covid)
* Historic investments in black communities (opportunity zones, investment in HBCUs, criminal just reforms)
* CONTROLLED immigration instead of open borders.
* NATO allies are being forced to pay their fair share for defending Europe.
* Harsher sanctions on Putin and Russia than Obama/Biden ever imposed.
* Decoupling from China economically. FYI - China had been stealing intellectual property for decades. Trump put an end to that and forced China into a new trade deal.
* Energy independence. US is now a net exporter of oil and natural gas.
* Deregulation and tax cuts
* COVID:
We are near the "best case scenario" statistics according to computer models from April: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/best-case-and-worst-case-coronavirus-forecasts-are-very-far-apart/
Europe (with similar size population) has as many casualties as the US.
Europe (with mask mandates) has higher infection rate than US.
US has higher GDP than almost any other country post COVID... We CAN'T SHUT DOWN over a virus that has a 99% survival rate!!!
Biden in 47 YEARS:
* 1994 and 98 crime bills that he sponsored locked up a disproportionate number of black men.
* NAFTA shipped jobs to Canada and Mexico
* Obamacare was supposed to lower premiums (it didn't) ... And, remember the "You can keep your doctor" promise?
* ISIS spread through Syria, Iraq, and N. Africa
* Two presidential campaigns failed because of plagiarism and lies.
* A son and brother who cashed in by selling the Biden name in every country that Joe was the point man... Russia, Ukraine, China. Or perhaps totally legit businesses in corrupt countries really had legit reasons for paying millions to a drug addicted sex addict.
* China LITERALLY owns Joe Biden.
... Can anyone NAME ONE SINGLE BIDEN ACCOMPLISHMENT THEY ARE PROUD OF????????
A Biden Presidency:
* Big Tech will silence dissent
* 1st and 2nd (and probably 4th) Amendments will be gutted.
* Defense will be gutted.
* Tax increases: Repealing the Trump tax cuts will LITERALLY raise taxes on EVERYONE... not just those making $400k/year. You cannot pay for the "green new deal", "medicare for all", "free community college/public university" by only taxing the super rich... who already pay over 80% of all taxes.
* Open borders... no deportations of criminal illegal aliens. Amnesty for over 20 million illegal aliens... (job losses and lower wages for American workers)
* Re-entry into the Paris climate agreement (essentially wealth transfer from US/Europe to developing countries... BTW, China is still considered a "developing" country, so US taxpayer money would actually go DIRECTLY to the CCP).
* Green New Deal costing TRILLIONS, but not having any impact on the climate.
* Anti-American indoctrination returns to Fed Govt, schools.
* $6-7 (or more) for a gallon of gas. Biden can't lie... He said he would end fracking and impose regulations on oil that will essentially kill the oil industry.
* More lockdowns and mask mandates.
* Manufacturing jobs will disappear.
* SCOTUS will be destroyed.
* Senate will end the filibuster.
* Biden will lead an effective strategy to mobilize truinderfrandizprezzure.
Wake up Arizona!!! VOTE based on LOGIC and true policies that WILL affect you!!!
Very articulate! Well researched! Includes verifiable information! Free of hysteria. No name calling. Extremely well played. Soup for you!
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One can only hope.
Last day of political robo calls ! so we got that going for us
Quote from: FOOS on November 02, 2020, 08:36:43 AM
Last day of political robo calls ! so we got that going for us
Don't forget about the spam mail and ****ty commercials.
I love the day after Halloween because candy is cheap...but I love the day after Election Day 100x more (regardless of who wins).
Putin off to an early lead !
Quote from: FOOS on November 03, 2020, 07:42:54 AM
Putin off to an early lead !
Trump's not the early leader?
Quote from: FOOS on November 04, 2020, 08:01:04 AM
Quote from: Aokay on November 03, 2020, 01:17:04 PM
Quote from: FOOS on November 03, 2020, 07:42:54 AM
Putin off to an early lead !
Trump's not the early leader?
yes - that's what I said
My bad -- I thought you were referring to Quid Pro Joe and his trusty companion (Kid) Hunter. It's all so confusing!
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Same type of graph showing a ballot dump in Michigan as well.
This morning is a perfect example of Trump persuading conservatives to embrace the "us versus them" mentality.
Biden thanks his voters and informs them that ballots are still being counted. Trump, on the other hand, Tweets that he was "up big, and that THEY were trying to steal the election".
He's like a kid who purchased a toy in backorder, then blamed his parents because the toy was temporarily sold out.
This election is somehow MORE embarrassing to the reputation of our country. It was already bad enough that these two were the final candidates...
The only embarrassing thing about this election is how many Americans think Communist China is a friend. Where's Hunter? Defund the Police??? Riots and burning down cities??? Useful Idiots galore. If you don't know your own history you really should find an unedited version of the Cold War. The same tactics they used against SouthEast Asia and Eastern Europe is the Exact same tactics they've been using in the USA since the '30's. Your education was not an education it was re-programing. It's just taken longer for them to get a foot hold in America because it's not easy to get people to give up their freedoms in a free country. Using our freedoms to push their ideology and take freedoms away from us. How fucking insane is that? Using freedom to take your freedom. Your own masters call you "Useful Idiots" for a reason. During the Cold War we modified that to what it actually is "commie whores" and jane (the whore of Hanoi) fonda was the first to wear that badge. This is America! You want to be a commie whore, be a commie whore just don't try and push that ideology onto the US Constitution, it doesn't work. Their biggest mistake: They didn't wait until all the Cold War vets died off. We know who the fuck they are and we ain't having it. You're Welcome!
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 04, 2020, 09:39:46 AM
This morning is a perfect example of Trump persuading conservatives to embrace the "us versus them" mentality.
Biden thanks his voters and informs them that ballots are still being counted. Trump, on the other hand, Tweets that he was "up big, and that THEY were trying to steal the election".
He's like a kid who purchased a toy in backorder, then blamed his parents because the toy was temporarily sold out.
This election is somehow MORE embarrassing to the reputation of our country. It was already bad enough that these two were the final candidates...
Trump is a fighter, and if he thinks he's being jobbed, he's going to let the world know. He does not have politically correct bone in his body, which makes millions of people love him, and millions more hate his guts. BTW, this is "us versus them" . . . the constitutionalists battling the globalists. I can all but guarantee you that 60 million people plus are not at all embarrassed . . . we are not interested in what the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, or the progressive Europeans think or say -- they are all working against a free and sovereign America.
Quote from: Dav on November 04, 2020, 10:27:43 AM
The only embarrassing thing about this election is how many Americans think Communist China is a friend. Where's Hunter? Defund the Police??? Riots and burning down cities??? Useful Idiots galore. If you don't know your own history you really should find an unedited version of the Cold War. The same tactics they used against SouthEast Asia and Eastern Europe is the Exact same tactics they've been using in the USA since the '30's. Your education was not an education it was re-programing. It's just taken longer for them to get a foot hold in America because it's not easy to get people to give up their freedoms in a free country. Using our freedoms to push their ideology and take freedoms away from us. How fucking insane is that? Using freedom to take your freedom. Your own masters call you "Useful Idiots" for a reason. During the Cold War we modified that to what it actually is "commie whores" and jane (the whore of Hanoi) fonda was the first to wear that badge. This is America! You want to be a commie whore, be a commie whore just don't try and push that ideology onto the US Constitution, it doesn't work. Their biggest mistake: They didn't wait until all the Cold War vets died off. We know who the fuck they are and we ain't having it. You're Welcome!
Thank you for your service! You get it. it's sad that so many younger people don't. The reality is, no matter how noble the cause, empires eventually crumble from within, because they are managed by human beings that are so perfectly imperfect.
If you think only "progressive" Europeans can't stand that guy, you are mistaken. I am 46 years old and I am used to people having different opinions on political issues / politicians. This is not the case at all with Trump. For the first time in my live there is a total consensus. Every single German I have met can not stand that guy. I am talking guys from the left, right, middle, dumb and smart people. Everyone.
Vote dumping in multiple states now. Michigan, huge in Wayne County. Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and even some misdeeds in old Arizona.
Look, regardless of who you are, the election should be clear and simple. Voter ID is a must and NO crap mail in votes. Absentee ballots are fine if they can be verified.
Hope the supreme court can cancel out the nione verified ballots. That should solve the issue of LA County 2016, and Wayne County this year of having way more votes than registered voters.
Quote from: WerderBremen on November 04, 2020, 12:05:43 PM
If you think only "progressive" Europeans can't stand that guy, you are mistaken. I am 46 years old and I am used to people having different opinions on political issues / politicians. This is not the case at all with Trump. For the first time in my live there is a total consensus. Every single German I have met can not stand that guy. I am talking guys from the left, right, middle, dumb and smart people. Everyone.
Well, you've spoken for the entire German population, so I guess I should move on. That said, you sure know a whole lotta people. Even so, I bet I'd get a different response from the Brexit Brits, any number of Italians, and more than a few of the French conservatives. Then there's the small matter of the millions of Trump supporters that showed up in droves for his rallies, so there's that.
Every single German I have met <> all Germans
Nevermind, why do I even bother?
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 04, 2020, 09:39:46 AM
This morning is a perfect example of Trump persuading conservatives to embrace the "us versus them" mentality.
Biden thanks his voters and informs them that ballots are still being counted. Trump, on the other hand, Tweets that he was "up big, and that THEY were trying to steal the election".
He's like a kid who purchased a toy in backorder, then blamed his parents because the toy was temporarily sold out.
This election is somehow MORE embarrassing to the reputation of our country. It was already bad enough that these two were the final candidates...
And who and what candidate would you rather have? What is embarrassing is that half america want trump for four more year that embarrasing.
The election process this was bound to happen of the possibility that Trump was going run away it like 2016 and right now he losing and he resort to BS tactic of lawsuit, court decision and cant accept a lose. When was the last time that Republican president accept the defeat and didnt have to bad mouth the process.
One thing is certain - Americans love a good fight. We'll fight anyone. Other countries .... each other. We relish the battles. We fight, we protest - that's who we are. Regardless of who wins - I just hope we can unite once this is said and done. Shake hands and right the good ship America. FORWARD !!
Krazy, like there has been a decent candidate for 30 plus years? Cannot think of one other than Ross Perot who I had anything nice to say about.
FOOS, that is so true! Why we are still somewhat free here in America, just selling our freedoms for trinkets much like the Indians sold that little Island in NY for trinkets. When we do not know history we are bound to repeat it. When the government controls our medical and everything else, we will be slaves to them.
Quote from: Little George on November 04, 2020, 06:12:54 PM
Krazy, like there has been a decent candidate for 30 plus years? Cannot think of one other than Ross Perot who I had anything nice to say about.
FOOS, that is so true! Why we are still somewhat free here in America, just selling our freedoms for trinkets much like the Indians sold that little Island in NY for trinkets. When we do not know history we are bound to repeat it. When the government controls our medical and everything else, we will be slaves to them.
You are a good man, LG. A good man, indeed. Respect brother. PS: I voted for Perot because (IMO) Bush and Clinton were both terrible.
Yes they were FOOS! The last so-called honest President was Carter, but we see where that went.
I have said this after every election since the 90's, but it is likely true. " you could probably find 200 homeless people in the streets of Phoenix that could do a better job"
Although I'm not a fan of any recent presidents, I can appreciate the fact that they each brought ONE positive to the table:
Clinton fixes the deficit, Bush Jr brought back a sense of patriotism to the country and Obama easily got us out of a miserable recession.
I hope Foos is right because I'd love to see a unified country. I think it will take a while to recover from the hatred spewed by Trump but we can get there. Hell...he's currently fabricating a story about voters now...and he could still WIN the election. At least wait until you lose, before you become a sore loser and get a large portion of the country angry (again).
Yes, looking for the positive is good. I guess I ask to much for an elected official to actually work for the people instead of enriching themselves at the cost of the people and ruling over the people. In American elected official do not rule, but serve. Well, at least that is what it is supposed to be..
Until we stray from a bipartisan system, we will always be dictated. This is far from a democracy....which is a completely separate conversation!
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 05, 2020, 04:38:57 AM
Clinton fixes the deficit, Bush Jr brought back a sense of patriotism to the country and Obama easily got us out of a miserable recession.
Patriotism was brought back by the attacks on 9/11, any President would have managed that. When you start with no where to go but up, as Obama did with the recession, it's virtually impossible to fail. I'm not sure Clinton deserves credit for the deficit (I think it was more like the long term effects of Reagan era policies), but he didn't screw it up, so I'll give you that one.
Quote from: WerderBremen on November 04, 2020, 02:18:29 PM
Every single German I have met <> all Germans
Nevermind, why do I even bother?
The point I was making, through sarcasm, was that of the more than eighty-million Germans, you held up a tiny sample-size and offered it as proof that Trump is universally hated. Trump has called out Germany for not paying their fair share at the UN, and he has not been at all flattering while discussing their leader, so yeah, the German people as a whole, probably do have a hard on for him. So discounting Germany, I stand with my original statement.
Don't worry, FL...I couldn't give credit to Bush Jr for ONE other accomplishment throughout his term.
Jimmy Carter was pretty good with the deficit, but didn't nearly make the impact that Clinton did.
FWIW, I've NEVER met an internationally-born person that doesn't laugh when Trump's name is mentioned. 100% of them said their friends back home consider the US a joke. I know that many Americans could care less, however relationships with international forces are vital for our economy and well-being.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 05, 2020, 11:16:12 AM
Don't worry, FL...I couldn't give credit to Bush Jr for ONE other accomplishment throughout his term.
Jimmy Carter was pretty good with the deficit, but didn't nearly make the impact that Clinton did.
FWIW, I've NEVER met an internationally-born person that doesn't laugh when Trump's name is mentioned. 100% of them said their friends back home consider the US a joke. I know that many Americans could care less, however relationships with international forces are vital for our economy and well-being.
You know who doesn't consider Trump a joke -- the leaders of the EU, that he put the screws to financially as he embarrassed them in front of the world. You might add the Communist Leaders in China that are suffering the effects of the current tariffs, and the 31 billion they've lost in trade with us. You can add the leaders in Iran, who are suffering mightily because of the sanctions Trump imposed. Then there's Mexico, and Canada, that miraculously renegotiated trade deals that once greatly favored them, and cost us huge numbers of manufacturing jobs. How about the three Arab nations that are normalizing relations with Israel? Do you think those leaders consider Trump a joke? How about the British leaders that pulled off the exit from the EU? Do you think they consider Trump a joke? What about the Black inmates he's pardoned? Or the Black business people that are benefiting from the federal dollars Trump sent their way? Do you think they're having a good laugh at his expense? I find it interesting that today's progressives no longer believe in the "It's the economy stupid" mantra by Clinton. I remember Obama saying that the lost manufacturing jobs were gone forever, that bringing them back would take a magic wand, when in reality, all it took was someone that know how to negotiate a deal that favored them (them be us). But I get it, Trump says mean things and hurts people's feelings, so he's got to go.
Severing ties with China hurts us...not them. They have plenty of allies that support their economy. We don't have the infrastructure or the employees that are willing to work at (or below) minimum wage, in order to create the products that are currently imported. Even if we create those jobs, Americans will never want to pay the inflated prices for those products.
Yes, I think the Ball family laughed at his expense after he had them pardoned (joking). And yes, even t he Mexicans chuckle at the threat of forcing them to build our wall...that was a stellar "campaign promise".
Israel is far from being at peace with Palestine. If you heard that the Gaza violence halted, the fake news made it to your home.
I have friends/colleagues here from Sweden, Ethiopia, UK, Russia, Serbia, Germany, Argentina and many other nations. Not one of them slightly respect Trump...and they reiterate that he is known worldwide...not in a positive light.
He may pull a "Putin" and never leave office. It looks like his antics are currently trending in that direction. Even his son is embarrassing himself publicly this week.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 05, 2020, 09:02:12 PM
Severing ties with China hurts us...not them. They have plenty of allies that support their economy. We don't have the infrastructure or the employees that are willing to work at (or below) minimum wage, in order to create the products that are currently imported. Even if we create those jobs, Americans will never want to pay the inflated prices for those products.
Yes, I think the Ball family laughed at his expense after he had them pardoned (joking). And yes, even t he Mexicans chuckle at the threat of forcing them to build our wall...that was a stellar "campaign promise".
Israel is far from being at peace with Palestine. If you heard that the Gaza violence halted, the fake news made it to your home.
I have friends/colleagues here from Sweden, Ethiopia, UK, Russia, Serbia, Germany, Argentina and many other nations. Not one of them slightly respect Trump...and they reiterate that he is known worldwide...not in a positive light.
He may pull a "Putin" and never leave office. It looks like his antics are currently trending in that direction. Even his son is embarrassing himself publicly this week.
"Severing ties with China hurts us...not them. They have plenty of allies that support their economy. We don't have the infrastructure or the employees that are willing to work at (or below) minimum wage, in order to create the products that are currently imported. Even if we create those jobs, Americans will never want to pay the inflated prices for those products."
We've made a net gain of 31 billion. Name China's allies. We trade with Mexico, Canada, much of Europe, Great Britain, India, Africa, and other nations, including China, which has a vested interest in making sure we continue buying their merchandise. If the American public truly understood the global threat China represented, and if these same American consumers fully grasped the ill-effects socialism will visit upon them, they would, in fact, pay more, which may in turn mean buying less, but better quality stuff.
"Yes, I think the Ball family laughed at his expense after he had them pardoned (joking). And yes, even t he Mexicans chuckle at the threat of forcing them to build our wall...that was a stellar 'campaign promise'."
The leaders of Mexico signed the replacement for NAFTA that had weighed heavily in their favor. They may not have written a check for the cost of the wall, but in the end, their willingness to renegotiate the former trade agreement will more than cover the cost of the wall, many times over. The citizens of Mexico have far too many corruption issues to live with, so I doubt they're spending much of their time "chuckling" about anything, unless of course they're the wealthy elite, or progressive educators.
"Israel is far from being at peace with Palestine. If you heard that the Gaza violence halted, the fake news made it to your home."
Three Muslim nations have gone against the grain and signed peace agreements in an effort to normalize relations with Israel, to trade with them. That fact doesn't mean much of the Palestinian world no longer pines for the day Israel is wiped off the planet, but if more Middle-Eastern nations follow suit, it will be much harder for Iran to carry out those plans. BTW, I didn't hear anything about Gaza, but thank you for your concern and timely warning about fake news.
"I have friends/colleagues here from Sweden, Ethiopia, UK, Russia, Serbia, Germany, Argentina and many other nations. Not one of them slightly respect Trump...and they reiterate that he is known worldwide...not in a positive light."
So your friends and colleagues from the various nations are qualified to speak on behalf of the worldwide population? What percentage of their respective countries' population would you say your friends and colleagues represent? 1/1000 of 1%? Even if you and Werner teamed up, this information is hardly convincing, though it may be considered gospel in your home and Werner's. My friends, family, colleagues, are all grateful for President Trump's accomplishments and the campaign promises he kept. That said, it's hardly proof of anything, it's merely another perspective, albeit one that's highly agreed upon by millions of conservatives.
"He may pull a "Putin" and never leave office. It looks like his antics are currently trending in that direction."
You come across as an intelligent person, misguided maybe, but intelligent. So why would you include a sophomoric statement such as this one? We are not Russia. Trump is not Putin, regardless of what the MSM would have their loyal subjects believe. At some point, a winner will be determined, either through the electoral college, or, if need be, a vote in the House of Representatives. If Biden wins, Trump will not, even remotely, attempt to stay in the White House. He will abide by the final decision. To believe otherwise, is just plain dumb. But if Trump wins, the progressives are going to go ape shit, and will claim that the process isn't valid. I refer you to Maxine Waters immediately after the last election, and the horde of Hollywood celebrities that will never accept conservative victories.
Trump may be the first President in modern time to not get filthy rich from his position in office.
He will be the first to be worth less coming out than he was going in.
Biden was not wealthy when he went in but is now and he is just like most other political figures. Like Trump, Biden Says whatever to get his way, but Harris is the biggest reason not to vote for Biden. He couldn't find a homeless person to do a better job? She is just FAKE! Lots of them!
Our country IS NOT headed in the right direction though either way. The lesser of two evils has been the choice for decades. Outside of Roos Perot, I have not donated to a single campaign. What's to get excited about? They must be digging up some old outhouse and found these gems running our government. I cannot call all of them corrupt, but most are! Getting rich off of the American people.
When will politicians and judges be held accountable? I will tell you when. Either the people will rise up and use their Second Amendment rights to correct it, or when they stand before the Lord.
So you all understand, My strong stand against the left has been because of the constant attack on a man with real integrity. That being General Flynn. Destroying his life because he went against Obama's plans. This is how we treat our American heroes? Under Obama/Biden our VA funding was cut while we gave money to Iran and other nations including some of the groups we were currently fighting with. This is how we treat our heros? Yes I am a veteran and it is sickening how our military are treated while congressmen get rich and collect full pay the rest of their lives. I did not like Obama, but he was our President. Trump did not get that from the left.
Again, not a Trump fan, but a veteran who believes the Constitution is all that stands between us and being third world.
What boggles the mind, is that any free citizen of this country would be willing to trade what we have for globalism, for a global ruling elite, with a global army at their disposal. Power corrupts, perfect power corrupts perfectly, without regard for individual rights and freedoms. The progressive party is leading us all to the cliff's edge, to our demise. By the time these folks realize the monumental error of abandoning our constitution, and former way of life, it will be too late to do anything about it, we will all be at the mercy of the ruling elite, who will dictate every facet of our lives. Voting will be a thing of the past, a lost, but fond memory. We will have become possessions of the worldwide State, of worldwide socialism. Trump can slow this movement down, possibly set it back for decades -- Biden will give it two thumbs up, and the all-clear signal. Biden, his mental acuity severely diminished, is but a pawn, a Trojan horse. He truly is an enemy of the state whether he knows it or not. A vote for Trump was a vote for the free America won by the forces that defeated the tyranny of British rule in the eighteenth century, for the Republic, all that it has stood for, and done in the name of good. Globalism is progress? Hardly!
President-Elect Biden was chosen by the great state of Arizona. President-Elect Biden has received more votes than any candidate in US history. The US Military has designated the area around Biden's basement as "Nation Defense Airspace" to help protect the Commander-in-Chief-Elect. Please remember to watch President-Elect Biden's speech tonight on Fox News tonight He will demonstrate the steady leadership that the voters of the United States have mandated.
God Bless America! God Bless Georgia! God Bless the Angels from Africa and South America!
One other item..I just received a secret message from George Soros. It is now safe to take off your masks. Covid is really just the flu after all. Secret meetings in Pizza restaurant basements can now resume their full schedules.
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/24/916440816/republican-leaders-reject-trump-hedging-on-transfer-of-power-amid-war-over-confi
Trump never said that he would leave office if Biden wins. I wasn't comparing his personality to Putin's...however the situation is similar to the recent 16 year "term extension" that was implemented in Russia. He didn't want to leave office, so he changed the laws (and there isn't a rule that Trump must step down if/when he loses the election).
Regardless of the outcome, half of the Americans will be outraged with the voting process, which is ridiculous in every aspect. Why the hell are there different regulations on a statewide basis??
https://apnews.com/article/375515aecedb4aed949e4f2eb9c54eb6 - Don't believe everything you hear about the potential for veteran cuts. I'm not familiar with the VA funding because it doesn't apply to me. I selfishly become jealous when I see the benefits that are prioritized for vets: aggressive loan interest rates, insurance discounts, vehicle deals, free tax prep, college reimbursement, etc...
I appreciate vets that sign up with good intentions of helping their country. Unfortunately, the military is now voluntary. Since the draft is obsolete, kids aren't forced to serve. Hell, there's nothing to defend if our country has never been attacked (no war has taken place on US soil). Therefore, there are other ways that our tax dollars could be spent, rather than giving handouts to young men that are capable of establishing careers in the US. Disabled vets and older (WWII/Korea/Nam) vets are obviously the exception...and need serious help.
Sorry for the pessimism. I've been disappointed with the candidates over the past couple of elections and hope that we can find somebody in the future that is beloved by all Americans...and can bring us together as one.
Because we are so divided!
"(and there isn't a rule that Trump must step down if/when he loses the election)."
Try checking out the twelfth amendment.
"Hell, there's nothing to defend if our country has never been attacked (no war has taken place on US soil)."
So we shouldn't have participated in WW1 and WW2? We shouldn't have come to the aid of the South Koreans?
You believe that we should divert the funds directed for the military, and spend that money on humanitarian aid, while China and Russia gear up militarily? And when these world powers do come-a-knockin, and eventually they will, then what? You can't stand up to the bullies with a pea shooter when they're armed to the teeth. Your thoughts on this matter are short-sighted and dangerous, but alas, that's progressive thinking in a nutshell. Reagan had it right -- peace through strength.
You disagree? Then how is it Trump has managed to keep us out of new conflicts / wars, and instead has been bringing troops home? It's because he's built the military back into a formidable force. BTW, that's yet another notable accomplishment. How about we discuss Biden's accomplishments during the 36 years he's been a Senator? Good luck with that.
I don't back Biden OR Trump. I like the fact that Trump has withdrawn troops throughout his term.
I also specified that we should take care of vets from the "older" wars...because they were worth fighting for (and a large portion of those veterans were forced to serve).
Having a military is necessary; I essentially agree with everything you stated above. Overloading the US with unnecessary nuclear weapons...and excessive recruitment offices is a waste of tax dollars. I'd rather pay teachers than compile artillery, so our country can educate itself.
I personally would like to see trump for another 4 years but it appears biden will be voted in.
I think biden is going to kill this country with taxing us an with covid he will shut down America, which will kill the economy as many businesses in tucson have closed an other states as well have, no trump not perfect but we surviving with him as president, I trust trump an due not trust biden.
Quote from: ZippyZ on November 06, 2020, 11:15:29 AM
One other item..I just received a secret message from George Soros. It is now safe to take off your masks. Covid is really just the flu after all. Secret meetings in Pizza restaurant basements can now resume their full schedules.
😂
To those celebrating Biden today, just a fare warning, THE election IS NOT over.
I have my sources and IF true, Biden will not see office. Also, even if he won fairly, the Dems are already dumping him for the devils left hand hoe. Heels up/Headboard Harris. If you thought Obama played the race card....Ha
Trump will never concede.... it's simply not his nature
its sad that despite a clear victory his ego is so fragile that he can't accept defeat, he'd rather make baseless allegations that damage the fundamental foundation of our democracy
and even sadder that some folks can't see the reality - his failure as a leader to unite the country led to his losing the election, so instead of moving forward together to try to deal with some pretty important issues - foreign enemies, covid, the economy, the deficit, veterans, race, the environment - we'll get a constant steady stream of hatred and division trying to keep us apart
God Bless America
Bear Down Arizona
Quote from: ichi on November 07, 2020, 01:01:42 PM
its sad that despite a clear victory his ego is so fragile that he can't accept defeat, he'd rather make baseless allegations that damage the fundamental foundation of our democracy
and even sadder that some folks can't see the reality - his failure as a leader to unite the country led to his losing the election, so instead of moving forward together to try to deal with some pretty important issues - foreign enemies, covid, the economy, the deficit, veterans, race, the environment - we'll get a constant steady stream of hatred and division trying to keep us apart
God Bless America
Bear Down Arizona
The deep state is what is sad ichi!
Trump is about to pull the plug on the swamp as promised.
Funny that the left promoted a criminal and now have already started investigating him to remove him and insert Heels up Harris as President.
You though racism was bad under Obama? She ain't no friend of America!
The Electoral College will meet on the first Monday following the second Wednesday in December. If either candidate receives the needed 270 electoral votes, that person will be declared the winner, but not before. If neither candidate receives the needed 270 votes, for whatever reason, including court findings, the current House of Representatives will conduct an up and down vote -- a simple majority is all that's needed to declare a winner. Each state is afforded one vote, regardless of the number of representatives. If Trump were to receive 51 votes, he would win the election, the same holds true for Biden. Simply put, we will not know who the duly elected President is until mid December at the earliest. Trump would be a total and complete idiot to concede the election to Biden before all the scenarios play out -- and as most of us know, a fool he is not.
Quote from: ichi on November 07, 2020, 01:01:42 PM
its sad that despite a clear victory his ego is so fragile that he can't accept defeat, he'd rather make baseless allegations that damage the fundamental foundation of our democracy
and even sadder that some folks can't see the reality - his failure as a leader to unite the country led to his losing the election, so instead of moving forward together to try to deal with some pretty important issues - foreign enemies, covid, the economy, the deficit, veterans, race, the environment - we'll get a constant steady stream of hatred and division trying to keep us apart
God Bless America
Bear Down Arizona
There is not a man or woman walking the face of the earth, capable of uniting a nation with such disparate visions for the future.
Quote from: FOOS on November 07, 2020, 11:56:41 AM
Trump will never concede.... it's simply not his nature
His nature aside, there's too much at stake to roll over and die. The process has not played itself out. When (if) Biden receives the necessary 270 electoral votes, the game is over. Until then, the fat lady has yet to sing.
This sounds like Dukie C pushing for Pitino to keep his job. Nothing to see here, people!
Quote from: ichi on November 07, 2020, 01:01:42 PM
its sad that despite a clear victory his ego is so fragile that he can't accept defeat, he'd rather make baseless allegations that damage the fundamental foundation of our democracy
Baseless allegations? We've already seen several "glitches" in both Michigan and Georgia. Who knows how many more "glitches" occurred. Not to even mention video after video of people filling in ballots. Poll watchers being barred from watching. Witness testimony of private vehicles delivering ballots in the middle of the night. It's only baseless if you INTENTIONALLY choose to ignore the MOUNTAIN of evidence.
What is really sad is how many Democrats care more about their candidate winning than protecting the voting process. That's more destructive to democracy that Trump wanting to eliminate voter fraud. WHY THE RUSH? WHY NOT MAKE SURE THE VOTE IS TRUE?!?! Unless of course you're worried there was fraud... then, like in football, you try to run the next play as quickly as possible so the opposing team doesn't throw the instant review flag.
And now we are learning that the CEO of the "glitching" election software (Dominion Ballot Counting Systems) is run by... Nancy Pelosi's Chief of Staff? Color me surprised.
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and even sadder that some folks can't see the reality - his failure as a leader to unite the country led to his losing the election,
GTFO with the "failure to unite"... Who exactly pushed three years of "Russian Conspiracy". Who exactly pushed impeachment while the pandemic was beginning? Yeahhhhh... it was Trump who didn't unite.
TBH, I have no interest in "uniting" with scumbags Democrat Socialists after three years of a Russian Hoax predicated on Hillary Clinton's campaign lies.
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so instead of moving forward together to try to deal with some pretty important issues - foreign enemies, covid, the economy, the deficit, veterans, race, the environment -
.. on the issues... While democrats focused on nothing BUT RUSSIAN COLLUSION,
It was TRUMP who signed prison reform, REVERSING JOE BIDEN'S 1994 Crime Bill that locked up "super predators" (democrat dog whistle for black men).
It was TRUMP who negotiated normalization of relations between Israel, UAE, Bahrain, Sudan (Kerry said it would never be done without first solving the Palestinian issue).
It was TRUMP who replaced Democrat's NAFTA (that devastated manufacturing in the US) with USMCA.
It was TRUMP that forced NATO allies to pay their agreed up on defense budget levels.
It was TRUMP who eliminated ISIS after Obama/Biden let it spread unchecked in Syria and Iraq.
It was TRUMP that eliminated terrorist Soleimani and Al Baghdadi. I think Democrats even condemned Trump for eliminating Soleimani.
It was TRUMP that secured historic levels of funding for HBCUs and created opportunity zones in minority communities.
On COVID... guess what... your fellow socialists in Europe have as many infections/deaths as the US. Is that Trump's fault also?
On the economy, we had record low unemployment across ALL demographics pre-pandemic. Even now, unemployment dropped below 7% while were still in the "pandemic". The economy is recovering faster than anyone imagined.
JUST IMAGINE WHAT COULD'VE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IF DEMOCRATS DIDN'T PUSH RUSSIAN COLLUSION LIES FOR THREE YEARS!!!!
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we'll get a constant steady stream of hatred and division trying to keep us apart
God Bless America
Bear Down Arizona
"Constant steady stream of hate"... Who are the ones now threatening Stalin style enemy lists? "Truth and Reconciliation Committees"? Is it Trump? No, it's your democrat socialist comrades having wet dreams about reeducation camps for Republicans.
BTW, the Socialist Democrats got their asses handed to them in this election...
* Senate still in Republican control,
* AT LEAST +5 Republican House seats ... likely as many as +12 seats.
* Not one state legislature lost to Democrats. Instead, +2 Republican.
* +1 Republican governor
... but yeah, Trump lost.
Quote from: WildcatInUK on November 08, 2020, 12:58:25 PM
Quote from: ichi on November 07, 2020, 01:01:42 PM
its sad that despite a clear victory his ego is so fragile that he can't accept defeat, he'd rather make baseless allegations that damage the fundamental foundation of our democracy
Baseless allegations? We've already seen several "glitches" in both Michigan and Georgia. Who knows how many more "glitches" occurred. Not to even mention video after video of people filling in ballots. Poll watchers being barred from watching. Witness testimony of private vehicles delivering ballots in the middle of the night. It's only baseless if you INTENTIONALLY choose to ignore the MOUNTAIN of evidence.
What is really sad is how many Democrats care more about their candidate winning than protecting the voting process. That's more destructive to democracy that Trump wanting to eliminate voter fraud. WHY THE RUSH? WHY NOT MAKE SURE THE VOTE IS TRUE?!?! Unless of course you're worried there was fraud... then, like in football, you try to run the next play as quickly as possible so the opposing team doesn't throw the instant review flag.
And now we are learning that the CEO of the "glitching" election software (Dominion Ballot Counting Systems) is run by... Nancy Pelosi's Chief of Staff? Color me surprised.
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and even sadder that some folks can't see the reality - his failure as a leader to unite the country led to his losing the election,
GTFO with the "failure to unite"... Who exactly pushed three years of "Russian Conspiracy". Who exactly pushed impeachment while the pandemic was beginning? Yeahhhhh... it was Trump who didn't unite.
TBH, I have no interest in "uniting" with scumbags Democrat Socialists after three years of a Russian Hoax predicated on Hillary Clinton's campaign lies.
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so instead of moving forward together to try to deal with some pretty important issues - foreign enemies, covid, the economy, the deficit, veterans, race, the environment -
.. on the issues... While democrats focused on nothing BUT RUSSIAN COLLUSION,
It was TRUMP who signed prison reform, REVERSING JOE BIDEN'S 1994 Crime Bill that locked up "super predators" (democrat dog whistle for black men).
It was TRUMP who negotiated normalization of relations between Israel, UAE, Bahrain, Sudan (Kerry said it would never be done without first solving the Palestinian issue).
It was TRUMP who replaced Democrat's NAFTA (that devastated manufacturing in the US) with USMCA.
It was TRUMP that forced NATO allies to pay their agreed up on defense budget levels.
It was TRUMP who eliminated ISIS after Obama/Biden let it spread unchecked in Syria and Iraq.
It was TRUMP that eliminated terrorist Soleimani and Al Baghdadi. I think Democrats even condemned Trump for eliminating Soleimani.
It was TRUMP that secured historic levels of funding for HBCUs and created opportunity zones in minority communities.
On COVID... guess what... your fellow socialists in Europe have as many infections/deaths as the US. Is that Trump's fault also?
On the economy, we had record low unemployment across ALL demographics pre-pandemic. Even now, unemployment dropped below 7% while were still in the "pandemic". The economy is recovering faster than anyone imagined.
JUST IMAGINE WHAT COULD'VE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IF DEMOCRATS DIDN'T PUSH RUSSIAN COLLUSION LIES FOR THREE YEARS!!!!
Quote
we'll get a constant steady stream of hatred and division trying to keep us apart
God Bless America
Bear Down Arizona
"Constant steady stream of hate"... Who are the ones now threatening Stalin style enemy lists? "Truth and Reconciliation Committees"? Is it Trump? No, it's your democrat socialist comrades having wet dreams about reeducation camps for Republicans.
BTW, the Socialist Democrats got their asses handed to them in this election...
* Senate still in Republican control,
* AT LEAST +5 Republican House seats ... likely as many as +12 seats.
* Not one state legislature lost to Democrats. Instead, +2 Republican.
* +1 Republican governor
... but yeah, Trump lost.
I feel better having read this. Well done, soldier.
Quote from: Aokay on November 07, 2020, 02:47:35 PM
Quote from: FOOS on November 07, 2020, 11:56:41 AM
Trump will never concede.... it's simply not his nature
His nature aside, there's too much at stake to roll over and die. The process has not played itself out. When (if) Biden receives the necessary 270 electoral votes, the game is over. Until then, the fat lady has yet to sing.
"0h Ye of little faith"
QuoteBaseless allegations? We've already seen several "glitches" in both Michigan and Georgia. Who knows how many more "glitches" occurred. Not to even mention video after video of people filling in ballots. Poll watchers being barred from watching. Witness testimony of private vehicles delivering ballots in the middle of the night. It's only baseless if you INTENTIONALLY choose to ignore the MOUNTAIN of evidence.
What is really sad is how many Democrats care more about their candidate winning than protecting the voting process. That's more destructive to democracy that Trump wanting to eliminate voter fraud. WHY THE RUSH? WHY NOT MAKE SURE THE VOTE IS TRUE?!?! Unless of course you're worried there was fraud... then, like in football, you try to run the next play as quickly as possible so the opposing team doesn't throw the instant review flag.
I think that your 'mountain of evidence' will turn out to be conspiracy theories and hoaxes, but I'm willing to let the investigative/legal process play out, when it turns out to be a nothing burger you'll still be grasping at straws blaming everyone except the one guy who lost the election
and no reeducation centers are going to replace your OAN, that's just silly
We could have tuned into Fox News if we wanted that info.
Their point was that Trump just sores baseless information. Not only was he purposely disregarding the current vote counts (by prematurely declaring a win), he attempted to halt the process because he didn't like the way that the votes were trending.
I'm all for a recount to expose our corrupted process. In fact, I'd love it if Trump shed light on a system that could possibly be broken...but he can do it without throwing a childish hissyfit in front of billions of people. Wait until the election is over and diligently dispute the findings like a "leader".
Quote from: WildcatInUK on November 08, 2020, 12:58:25 PM
Baseless allegations? We've already seen several "glitches" in both Michigan and Georgia. Who knows how many more "glitches" occurred. Not to even mention video after video of people filling in ballots. Poll watchers being barred from watching. Witness testimony of private vehicles delivering ballots in the middle of the night. It's only baseless if you INTENTIONALLY choose to ignore the MOUNTAIN of evidence.
What is really sad is how many Democrats care more about their candidate winning than protecting the voting process. That's more destructive to democracy that Trump wanting to eliminate voter fraud. WHY THE RUSH? WHY NOT MAKE SURE THE VOTE IS TRUE?!?! Unless of course you're worried there was fraud... then, like in football, you try to run the next play as quickly as possible so the opposing team doesn't throw the instant review flag.
And now we are learning that the CEO of the "glitching" election software (Dominion Ballot Counting Systems) is run by... Nancy Pelosi's Chief of Staff? Color me surprised.
BTW, the Socialist Democrats got their asses handed to them in this election...
* Senate still in Republican control,
* AT LEAST +5 Republican House seats ... likely as many as +12 seats.
* Not one state legislature lost to Democrats. Instead, +2 Republican.
* +1 Republican governor
So....you believe that there is a giant multi-state conspiracy to rig the election against Trump...but the army of conspirators decided to elect more Republicans to the house, to elect more Republican governors, more Republican state legislators, and to not to take over the Senate while they were rigging the election?
Is this what you truly believe?
Is it not more likely that the majority of Americans did not want to re-elect someone who told them to inject bleach into their lungs?
...or that the state of Colorado is on the Mexican border...
Quote from: ZippyZ on November 08, 2020, 04:07:42 PM
So....you believe that there is a giant multi-state conspiracy to rig the election against Trump...but the army of conspirators decided to elect more Republicans to the house, to elect more Republican governors, more Republican state legislators, and to not to take over the Senate while they were rigging the election?
Is this what you truly believe?
Is it not more likely that the majority of Americans did not want to re-elect someone who told them to inject bleach into their lungs?
Checkmate.
Quote from: AztecWildcat on November 08, 2020, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: ZippyZ on November 08, 2020, 04:07:42 PM
So....you believe that there is a giant multi-state conspiracy to rig the election against Trump...but the army of conspirators decided to elect more Republicans to the house, to elect more Republican governors, more Republican state legislators, and to not to take over the Senate while they were rigging the election?
Is this what you truly believe?
Is it not more likely that the majority of Americans did not want to re-elect someone who told them to inject bleach into their lungs?
Checkmate.
Weren't you the party that believed for three years, despite no evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election? That really seemed more plausible to you than voter fraud in Democrat controlled Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia?
If everything is legit, you should have no problem with recounts, and ballot audits in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia, with representatives from each party present. If Biden still wins, then he wins and everyone can trust the system.
Won't even take a three year multi-million dollar investigation by a special council to determine you international conspiracy theory to steal the election from Hillary was a hoax perpetrated by Hillary. Can be done before the electoral college meets.
At least it's good to see you Democrats don't believe in election conspiracies anymore.
Quote from: WildcatInUK on November 08, 2020, 11:05:39 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on November 08, 2020, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: ZippyZ on November 08, 2020, 04:07:42 PM
So....you believe that there is a giant multi-state conspiracy to rig the election against Trump...but the army of conspirators decided to elect more Republicans to the house, to elect more Republican governors, more Republican state legislators, and to not to take over the Senate while they were rigging the election?
Is this what you truly believe?
Is it not more likely that the majority of Americans did not want to re-elect someone who told them to inject bleach into their lungs?
Checkmate.
Weren't you the party that believed for three years, despite no evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election? That really seemed more plausible to you than voter fraud in Democrat controlled Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia?
If everything is legit, you should have no problem with recounts, and ballot audits in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia, with representatives from each party present. If Biden still wins, then he wins and everyone can trust the system.
Won't even take a three year multi-million dollar investigation by a special council to determine you international conspiracy theory to steal the election from Hillary was a hoax perpetrated by Hillary. Can be done before the electoral college meets.
At least it's good to see you Democrats don't believe in election conspiracies anymore.
Nicely said.
What was funny about the Russian Collusion stuff was that it was a Trump investigation, not a Russian Collusion investigation. If it were looking for Rissian Collusion, it would have incriminated HC and her campaign.
Either way. This will get the true count and we will al know. Those involved in tainting the election should be prosecuted and we all move on. And yes, voter ID is a must!
It sounds like trump may have a case in some of these states I hope, I think biden an Harris will be bad for our country wreck the economy biden may due away with social security.
May due away with our retirement funds.
There's alot things I don't like about biden an harris how about harris view on abortion.
Trump was running a good economy until covid came down an they had these shut downs from the governors.
I hope trump can get reelected some how.
Quote from: WildcatInUK on November 08, 2020, 11:05:39 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on November 08, 2020, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: ZippyZ on November 08, 2020, 04:07:42 PM
So....you believe that there is a giant multi-state conspiracy to rig the election against Trump...but the army of conspirators decided to elect more Republicans to the house, to elect more Republican governors, more Republican state legislators, and to not to take over the Senate while they were rigging the election?
Is this what you truly believe?
Is it not more likely that the majority of Americans did not want to re-elect someone who told them to inject bleach into their lungs?
Checkmate.
Weren't you the party that believed for three years, despite no evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election? That really seemed more plausible to you than voter fraud in Democrat controlled Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia?
If everything is legit, you should have no problem with recounts, and ballot audits in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia, with representatives from each party present. If Biden still wins, then he wins and everyone can trust the system.
Won't even take a three year multi-million dollar investigation by a special council to determine you international conspiracy theory to steal the election from Hillary was a hoax perpetrated by Hillary. Can be done before the electoral college meets.
At least it's good to see you Democrats don't believe in election conspiracies anymore.
The responses by you and others show why it is difficult to have a reasonable discussion with Trump fans. You assumed I am a Democrat, and you would be wrong. I am an Independent that actually voted for two local Republican candidates this year. I do see Trump as an immoral conman, idiot, and general cancer that has infected the America. He is a bully, liar, coward, tax-cheat, and narcissist. He doesn't pay his bills, screws over small contractors, and uses a army of lawyers to bully people without the same resources.
Your view about the integrity of the election seems illogical to anybody with reasonable intelligence. The 2020 vote-count has nothing to do with the investigation of Russian influence into the 2016 Trump election. Trump won the 2016 election, and I do not think anybody has ever questioned that.
Hopefully, in the weeks ahead you will moderate your view of world. If you do not see the problem with your conspiracy logic, I cannot help you. Trump won by about 1% in 2016 in PA. Trump lost by about 1% in 2020 in PA. Trump told Americans to inject bleach into their lungs. Trump also treated war-hero McCain with disrespect and lost Republican-controlled AZ.
Last question...would you want your children to exhibit the same moral character of Donald Trump? Would you want your daughter to marry the a man with the same moral character as Donald Trump? Feel free to change the subject and talk about Bill, Hillary, etc etc etc etc.
Quote from: ZippyZ on November 09, 2020, 06:06:24 AM
Quote from: WildcatInUK on November 08, 2020, 11:05:39 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on November 08, 2020, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: ZippyZ on November 08, 2020, 04:07:42 PM
So....you believe that there is a giant multi-state conspiracy to rig the election against Trump...but the army of conspirators decided to elect more Republicans to the house, to elect more Republican governors, more Republican state legislators, and to not to take over the Senate while they were rigging the election?
Is this what you truly believe?
Is it not more likely that the majority of Americans did not want to re-elect someone who told them to inject bleach into their lungs?
Checkmate.
Weren't you the party that believed for three years, despite no evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election? That really seemed more plausible to you than voter fraud in Democrat controlled Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia?
If everything is legit, you should have no problem with recounts, and ballot audits in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia, with representatives from each party present. If Biden still wins, then he wins and everyone can trust the system.
Won't even take a three year multi-million dollar investigation by a special council to determine you international conspiracy theory to steal the election from Hillary was a hoax perpetrated by Hillary. Can be done before the electoral college meets.
At least it's good to see you Democrats don't believe in election conspiracies anymore.
The responses by you and others show why it is difficult to have a reasonable discussion with Trump fans. You assumed I am a Democrat, and you would be wrong. I am an Independent that actually voted for two local Republican candidates this year. I do see Trump as an immoral conman, idiot, and general cancer that has infected the America. He is a bully, liar, coward, tax-cheat, and narcissist. He doesn't pay his bills, screws over small contractors, and uses a army of lawyers to bully people without the same resources.
Your view about the integrity of the election seems illogical to anybody with reasonable intelligence. The 2020 vote-count has nothing to do with the investigation of Russian influence into the 2016 Trump election. Trump won the 2016 election, and I do not think anybody has ever questioned that.
Hopefully, in the weeks ahead you will moderate your view of world. If you do not see the problem with your conspiracy logic, I cannot help you. Trump won by about 1% in 2016 in PA. Trump lost by about 1% in 2020 in PA. Trump told Americans to inject bleach into their lungs. Trump also treated war-hero McCain with disrespect and lost Republican-controlled AZ.
Last question...would you want your children to exhibit the same moral character of Donald Trump? Would you want your daughter to marry the a man with the same moral character as Donald Trump? Feel free to change the subject and talk about Bill, Hillary, etc etc etc etc.
If there is voter fraud, an honest person should want to know.
Trump 2016: "if there is collusion in my campaign, find it so we can fix it."
Dems 2016: 40 million dollars later, impeach and prosecute him and anyone associated with him.
Clinton 2016: "It is everyone's fault I lost. And Destroy the evidence"
Trump 2020: "There is voter fraud. We need to see what happened"
Dems 2020: " it's a conspiracy theory, nothing to see here"
Biden 2020: "Nobody call it early. And I win before things are settled a d official."
Not to mention the fact that Clinton and others already told Biden to never concede the race.
Maybe why the just keep counting those "extra" ballots that people are finding?
Just saying, we have a process and some people have taken it upon themselves to change the process and they have no authority to do so. Let the process now play out and we will see who is in office come summer of 2020. It won't be Biden!
It will either be
Harris if Biden wins
Trump, or Pence if they assassinate Trump for beating them again.
We should no everything we can to ensure fair elections - hopefully both sides will support election reform
QuoteJust saying, we have a process and some people have taken it upon themselves to change the process and they have no authority to do so.
again, where? who has taken it upon themselves to change the process? The Pennsylvania Supreme Court? even if the ballots they allowed are counted it won't change the result, you and your orange hero cannot accept defeat so make up crazy theories
there is no evidence of what you claim, its a lie foisted on you by his team
the Hammer hoax is perpetrated by a known hoaxster, most other claims have already been rejected
and finally, the Russian thing. I see it frequently posted that there was no collusion. This is in direct denial of evidence of an exchange of info between Russia and the campaign, but all of the followers listen only to conspiracy theories about some emails
I was impressed by this line tho
QuoteEither way. This will get the true count and we will al know. Those involved in tainting the election should be prosecuted and we all move on.
I concur, I hope that everyone will be able to accept the rulings and final election decision, and that folks will step back and reevaluate what they think based on the final set of facts. I think it will show that you've been mislead
Quote from: ZippyZ on November 09, 2020, 06:06:24 AM
Quote from: WildcatInUK on November 08, 2020, 11:05:39 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on November 08, 2020, 08:35:42 PM
Quote from: ZippyZ on November 08, 2020, 04:07:42 PM
So....you believe that there is a giant multi-state conspiracy to rig the election against Trump...but the army of conspirators decided to elect more Republicans to the house, to elect more Republican governors, more Republican state legislators, and to not to take over the Senate while they were rigging the election?
Is this what you truly believe?
Is it not more likely that the majority of Americans did not want to re-elect someone who told them to inject bleach into their lungs?
Checkmate.
Weren't you the party that believed for three years, despite no evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election? That really seemed more plausible to you than voter fraud in Democrat controlled Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia?
If everything is legit, you should have no problem with recounts, and ballot audits in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia, with representatives from each party present. If Biden still wins, then he wins and everyone can trust the system.
Won't even take a three year multi-million dollar investigation by a special council to determine you international conspiracy theory to steal the election from Hillary was a hoax perpetrated by Hillary. Can be done before the electoral college meets.
At least it's good to see you Democrats don't believe in election conspiracies anymore.
The responses by you and others show why it is difficult to have a reasonable discussion with Trump fans. You assumed I am a Democrat, and you would be wrong. I am an Independent that actually voted for two local Republican candidates this year. I do see Trump as an immoral conman, idiot, and general cancer that has infected the America. He is a bully, liar, coward, tax-cheat, and narcissist. He doesn't pay his bills, screws over small contractors, and uses a army of lawyers to bully people without the same resources.
Your view about the integrity of the election seems illogical to anybody with reasonable intelligence. The 2020 vote-count has nothing to do with the investigation of Russian influence into the 2016 Trump election. Trump won the 2016 election, and I do not think anybody has ever questioned that.
Hopefully, in the weeks ahead you will moderate your view of world. If you do not see the problem with your conspiracy logic, I cannot help you. Trump won by about 1% in 2016 in PA. Trump lost by about 1% in 2020 in PA. Trump told Americans to inject bleach into their lungs. Trump also treated war-hero McCain with disrespect and lost Republican-controlled AZ.
Last question...would you want your children to exhibit the same moral character of Donald Trump? Would you want your daughter to marry the a man with the same moral character as Donald Trump? Feel free to change the subject and talk about Bill, Hillary, etc etc etc etc.
"The responses by you and others show why it is difficult to have a reasonable discussion with Trump fans. You assumed I am a Democrat, and you would be wrong."
Have you not made the same mistake? Do you know for a fact that Aztec is a registered Republican and not an Independent like yourself?
"I am an Independent that actually voted for two local Republican candidates this year. I do see Trump as an immoral conman, idiot, and general cancer that has infected the America. He is a bully, liar, coward, tax-cheat, and narcissist. He doesn't pay his bills, screws over small contractors, and uses a army of lawyers to bully people without the same resources."
All you've done here is establish your reasons for despising Trump. How does that make a "reasonable discussion" more likely? You've just sabotaged the premise of your argument.
"Your view about the integrity of the election seems illogical to anybody with reasonable intelligence."
Determined by you? I'm reasonably intelligent, and I think it's fair to say that of the 70 million plus people that voted for Trump, there are many more reasonably intelligent people. We've never had an election with so many mail in ballots, meaning it's unique. A reasonable person might consider the possibility that this new wrinkle may have brought with it, the potential for fraudulent activity -- it certainly couldn't be ruled out given what we know about human nature.
"Hopefully, in the weeks ahead you will moderate your view of world."
Because yours is superior? Hubris anyone?
"If you do not see the problem with your conspiracy logic, I cannot help you."
At what point did he ask for your help?
"Trump won by about 1% in 2016 in PA. Trump lost by about 1% in 2020 in PA."
After Biden and his running mate all but guaranteed that they would put an end to fracking, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that his margin of victory would increase in 2020, given the number of people in that state whose jobs reside in the oil industry.
"Trump told Americans to inject bleach into their lungs."
Any report on how many people followed orders? Was there a Youtube video showing how to make the injection? Do you have the link with the video evidence showing Trump made this appeal to the Tide Pod crowd?
"Trump also treated war-hero McCain with disrespect and lost Republican-controlled AZ."
And this addresses the issue of voter fraud how?
"Last question...would you want your children to exhibit the same moral character of Donald Trump? Would you want your daughter to marry the a man with the same moral character as Donald Trump? Feel free to change the subject and talk about Bill, Hillary, etc etc etc etc."
If you're going to bring up Trumps moral character, the Clintons are certainly fair game. That aside, Trump was not elected based on his character, he was elected on his campaign promises to his base. He's fulfilled most of those promises. Trump voters didn't want open borders, horseshit trade agreements, activist judges legislating from the bench, taxpayer funded abortion, the ACA as written, a diminished military, weakened law enforcement, etc etc etc etc.
And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane. Pure genius; pure gold
Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay
Let's just move on to Socialism already. Democracy obviously won't allow either party to accept a "fair" voting process.
Quote from: FOOS on November 09, 2020, 05:18:22 PM
And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane. Pure genius; pure gold
Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay
"And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane. Pure genius; pure gold"
Hey, we've got a stockpile . . . waste not want not.
"Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay"
Unlike the Creepy One, I adhere to the full list of Church teachings. It's the main reason, I could not, in good conscience, vote for any person that supported or promoted the taking of unborn lives. I'm going to have a tough enough time as it is when I stand before God: without adding aiding and abetting the abortion industry to my list of sins.
Quote from: Aokay on November 09, 2020, 06:52:20 PM
Quote from: FOOS on November 09, 2020, 05:18:22 PM
And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane. Pure genius; pure gold
Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay
You tossed out any credibility you had with 'waste not, want not"..... wow. I was starting to think you might be reasonable. Amazing anyone could think that was even a remotely good idea.... "holy" shit
"And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane. Pure genius; pure gold"
Hey, we've got a stockpile . . . waste not want not.
"Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay"
Unlike the Creepy One, I adhere to the full list of Church teachings. It's the main reason, I could not, in good conscience, vote for any person that supported or promoted the taking of unborn lives. I'm going to have a tough enough time as it is when I stand before God: without adding aiding and abetting the abortion industry to my list of sins.
WTF ever happened to "thou shall not kill"? What a hypocritical religion. Don't kill unborn babies, but nuke the **** out of an entire nation.
It's like the bipartisan system: pick and choose when you want to follow the "rules".
Quote from: FOOS on November 09, 2020, 07:13:30 PM
Quote from: Aokay on November 09, 2020, 06:52:20 PM
Quote from: FOOS on November 09, 2020, 05:18:22 PM
And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane. Pure genius; pure gold
Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay
You tossed out any credibility you had with 'waste not, want not"..... wow. I was starting to think you might be reasonable. Amazing anyone could think that was even a remotely good idea.... "holy" shit
"And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane. Pure genius; pure gold"
Hey, we've got a stockpile . . . waste not want not.
"Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay"
Unlike the Creepy One, I adhere to the full list of Church teachings. It's the main reason, I could not, in good conscience, vote for any person that supported or promoted the taking of unborn lives. I'm going to have a tough enough time as it is when I stand before God: without adding aiding and abetting the abortion industry to my list of sins.
I'm more than a little surprised you weren't able to sense the sarcasm dripping from that answer? My reply was outrageous, and had zero sincerity attached. As an aside, your statement, siting a suggestion made, quite possibly as a trolling measure, hardly merited a response. Remind me again the exact number of weather-related nuclear bombs authorized by Trump to be set off in the upper atmosphere to counter dangerous weather patterns?
Which, in your estimation, is more important--actions or words? Me, I've always tended to afford the greatest amount of weight to a person's actions. That's why I had no use for Obama and support Trump. The latter made this country money, the former shipped away billions to Iran, a nation that hates our guts and would revel in our demise.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 09, 2020, 07:40:06 PM
WTF ever happened to "thou shall not kill"? What a hypocritical religion. Don't kill unborn babies, but nuke the **** out of an entire nation.
It's like the bipartisan system: pick and choose when you want to follow the "rules".
"WTF ever happened to "thou shall not kill"?
This response is a real headscratcher.
For starters, nothing happened to the fifth commandment, it's still in place and as valid today as it ever was.
"What a hypocritical religion."
What religion are you referring to? None that I'm aware of. No major religion, and for that matter any religion at all, would promote the mass destruction of an entire nation. Killing the unborn, and the mass murder of the born, are both grave sins and should be condemned by anyone with a respect for human life.
Quote from: Aokay on November 09, 2020, 09:39:45 PM
Quote from: FOOS on November 09, 2020, 07:13:30 PM
Quote from: Aokay on November 09, 2020, 06:52:20 PM
Quote from: FOOS on November 09, 2020, 05:18:22 PM
And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane. Pure genius; pure gold
Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay
You tossed out any credibility you had with 'waste not, want not"..... wow. I was starting to think you might be reasonable. Amazing anyone could think that was even a remotely good idea.... "holy" shit
"And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane. Pure genius; pure gold"
Hey, we've got a stockpile . . . waste not want not.
"Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay"
Unlike the Creepy One, I adhere to the full list of Church teachings. It's the main reason, I could not, in good conscience, vote for any person that supported or promoted the taking of unborn lives. I'm going to have a tough enough time as it is when I stand before God: without adding aiding and abetting the abortion industry to my list of sins.
I'm more than a little surprised you weren't able to sense the sarcasm dripping from that answer? My reply was outrageous, and had zero sincerity attached. As an aside, your statement, siting a suggestion made, quite possibly as a trolling measure, hardly merited a response. Remind me again the exact number of weather-related nuclear bombs authorized by Trump to be set off in the upper atmosphere to counter dangerous weather patterns?
Which, in your estimation, is more important--actions or words? Me, I've always tended to afford the greatest amount of weight to a person's actions. That's why I had no use for Obama and support Trump. The latter made this country money, the former shipped away billions to Iran, a nation that hates our guts and would revel in our demise.
Siting should have read, citing -- my bad.
I think it's pretty obvious that our country has millions of citizens that support our troops AND the church. The fifth commandment cannot coexist with the second amendment.
If anybody believes otherwise, they don't understand the purpose and/or intent of weaponry: to KILL.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 09, 2020, 10:20:04 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that our country has millions of citizens that support our troops AND the church. The fifth commandment cannot coexist with the second amendment.
If anybody believes otherwise, they don't understand the purpose and/or intent of weaponry: to KILL.
"The fifth commandment cannot coexist with the second amendment."
It can and it does.
In accordance with the US Constitution, and common sense, the Catholic Church affirms that individuals have the right to defend themselves, and their loved ones, from imminent danger. That is best done with weapons capable of deterring the would be assailant, or stopping them in their tracks. Additionally, the Church speaks to the issue of just wars--again using the principle of self defense. The harsh reality of life is that good people are sometimes forced to combat the Hitlers of the world, to defend their freedoms and way of life by using lethal measures. This should be as obvious as the nose on people's faces, but clearly it's not. And just to be clear, the Church in no way condones murder. Knowing the distinction between killing and murder is critical to understanding the reasoning behind the aforementioned Church teachings, and the well-thought-out Second Amendment.
Quote from: Aokay on November 10, 2020, 09:51:13 AM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 09, 2020, 10:20:04 PM
I think it's pretty obvious that our country has millions of citizens that support our troops AND the church. The fifth commandment cannot coexist with the second amendment.
If anybody believes otherwise, they don't understand the purpose and/or intent of weaponry: to KILL.
"The fifth commandment cannot coexist with the second amendment."
It can and it does.
In accordance with the US Constitution, and common sense, the Catholic Church affirms that individuals have the right to defend themselves, and their loved ones, from imminent danger. That is best done with weapons capable of deterring the would be assailant, or stopping them in their tracks. Additionally, the Church speaks to the issue of just wars--again using the principle of self defense. The harsh reality of life is that good people are sometimes forced to combat the Hitlers of the world, to defend their freedoms and way of life by using lethal measures. This should be as obvious as the nose on people's faces, but clearly it's not. And just to be clear, the Church in no way condones murder. Knowing the distinction between killing and murder is critical to understanding the reasoning behind the aforementioned Church teachings, and the well-thought-out Second Amendment.
Well said!
That's a nice twist, however invading countries on the other side of world with heavily armed troops is hardly "defending" your local family/community from assailants that could be an imminent threat.
I completely understand your WWII argument (and understand why the US was involved a few other wars). I can't envision a situation where Jesus would give Americans the green light to fight for oil...which is the primary reason that we've sent troops overseas throughout the past 20-30 years. That's not a matter of lethal measure, that's just greed (and hypocrisy for those wearing crosses around their necks with automatic weapons in their hands).
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 10, 2020, 01:49:05 PM
That's a nice twist, however invading countries on the other side of world with heavily armed troops is hardly "defending" your local family/community from assailants that could be an imminent threat.
I completely understand your WWII argument (and understand why the US was involved a few other wars). I can't envision a situation where Jesus would give Americans the green light to fight for oil...which is the primary reason that we've sent troops overseas throughout the past 20-30 years. That's not a matter of lethal measure, that's just greed (and hypocrisy for those wearing crosses around their necks with automatic weapons in their hands).
It wasn't a twist, it was a direct rebuttal of your claim that the Fifth Commandment and the 2nd Amendment can't coexist. I gave a perfectly rational explanation of why they do, in fact, sometimes work in tandem.
' . . . however invading countries on the other side of world with heavily armed troops is hardly "defending" your local family/community from assailants that could be an imminent threat."
Here, you have switched subjects. You are now arguing that not all wars are just, and to this we both agree. However, unjust wars do not negate the fact that there is such a thing as a just war. If you agree with that statement, then you must agree that there are times when the 2nd amendment, Catholic Church teaching, and the Fifth Commandment, are in fact, compatible.
As far as Jesus goes, there can be no doubt He'd prefer that all of humanity lived in peace -- that the killing of human beings, all of which are his creation, would cease and desist. Sadly, there are far too many people on this planet disinterested in Christ, His Church, and it's teachings. Our loss.
Why did the PEOPLE put that 2nd Amendment in there?
To defend against the government! The government wanting to take that right away is NEVER a good end result.
Government controlled anything is NOT a good thing. The people holding office need to be put back in there place regardless of party. We do NOT serve them or work for them. They are supposed to be the People's servants. They need to firmly be reminded of that! That includes every single person in office regardless of party. That Second Amendment is all the People have if and when the government decides to take control of our very lives. They do this through government control benefits. Healthcare, food, utilities, education, and many other means.
You can see this happening in California with their rolling blackouts already and then shutting off water for homes having visitors in excess of the unconstitutional dictation of how many people can be at your home.
Health care as well when they decide Your life is less important than someone else's. See the little boy from England where they refused him help and then refused him to come to America for help. That stuff does already happen here with older people. We see tons of money wasted on elected officials for their healthcare. The number one reason Obama care was wrong was the crap they give us and then make themselves exempt from it? Yes they did!
Education and jobs based on color and sex rather than qualifications. See the Biden selection for Vice on that one is evidence enough. Sad that he stooped so low. Harris is likely the worst possible choice he could have made.
Many other areas of your life they will control IF the PEOPLE do not real them in soon!
Our Congress is maybe the most corrupt organization in our country right now. Time for everyone to take a good long look and ponder on that. Not too long or it could be too late.
I absolutely stayed on topic. Artillery was invented to kill. The fifth commandment is pretty straight forward with its intent: don't kill.
As far as Kamala goes...Biden arguably chose her to bring in Minority votes (and it worked, considering he has the most popular votes in history).
The system is flawed. And if there's a hell, we're all going there for preaching "god and country" in the same phrase.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 10, 2020, 05:11:09 PM
I absolutely stayed on topic. Artillery was invented to kill. The fifth commandment is pretty straight forward with its intent: don't kill.
As far as Kamala goes...Biden arguably chose her to bring in Minority votes (and it worked, considering he has the most popular votes in history).
The system is flawed. And if there's a hell, we're all going there for preaching "god and country" in the same phrase.
YOU SHALL NOT KILL
Biblical scholars hasten to point out the Scriptural language of the Fifth Commandment is very precise.
Murder is the correct translation, i.e. the unlawful killing of a member of the community.
The commandment does not cover capital punishment, killing in a war, or the killing of animals for food; which is not to say the Old Testament is unconcerned with the ethical problems posed by these things.
(The Oxford Bible Commentary, p. 82)
https://www.rosarycenter.org/the-ten-commandments-part-vi-the-fifth-commandment-you-shall-not-kill/
Sounds like people making excuses to sin. Four words are pretty simple (the word "murder" seems to be left out of context). Convenient.
Trump 2020?
Biden 2020? Nah!
We may like neither candidate, but one is worse than the other.
If Joe Biden never reaches office, who will be offended? Just saying!
Quote from: Little George on January 07, 2021, 04:58:24 PM
Trump 2020?
Biden 2020? Nah!
We may like neither candidate, but one is worse than the other.
If Joe Biden never reaches office, who will be offended? Just saying!
I just love a good conspiracy theory. Lol
I wouldn't be offended if Biden never made it to office but I'd be offended f Trump remained in office.
Who else gets banned from social media? Answer: immature teenage internet trolls.
You really have embarrassed yourselves and arizona if you support this BULLSHIT.
Laughing at you clowns isn't enough apparently.
Stand by and see
SHIT will hit your fan the next two weeks.
Trust this, Why would the Dems be pushing for the 25th Amendment?
They are scared shitless. The whole congress is shit!
Watch what happens!
The only scared Americans are those in Washington who fear (with good reason) that some hillbilly gun-nut will bring a mass shooting into the capitol.
Been saying for months words matter. Placating little George and other conspiracy theorists nuts allows hate and bullshit to fester. We all need to speak out and shout them down sooner in the future.
LITTLE GEORGE and his ilk who fill message boards with bullshit hate speech are directly responsible for the mayhem of yesterday. Not pass on this. And don't give us bullshit answers like Antifa and BLM infiltrators are to blame.
Was your pal Jake Angeli an antifa infiltrator? No, he's a real fascist.
Was proud boy leader Hawaii leader antifa? Nope. Real fascist.
Was Richard Barnett, who stole from Pelosi's office BLM? No, just racist piece of shit.
If you look act and talk like a fascist, little George, you might just be a fascist.
Can't mince words anymore. Gotta be specific and personal. You are the problem.
Note: so happy we have a special forum for this so we can be nice and civil in the shoutbox.
For those of you who missed it, Little George last night claimed antifa activists and BLM activists infiltrated the rioters and were to blame for the treasonous assault on America, citing right wing media sources.
Little George once again in spreading false info. Just like one of his heroes, Arizona rep. Gates. (S)ome of the people who breached the Capitol today were not Trump supporters," Gaetz said. "They were masquerading as Trump supporters and, in fact, were members of the violent terrorist group antifa."
Facts First: None of this is true. The firm cited by the Washington Times has told two news outlets the story is false. Furthermore, right-wing extremists have been identified in the crowd that stormed the Capitol and CNN has, as of the publishing of this article, seen no evidence whatsoever of a left-wing infiltration of the mob.
An attorney representing XRVision told both the Daily Beast and Buzzfeed News that the reporting from the Washington Times was wrong and that the company had instead identified two Neo-Nazis and a supporter of the radical right-wing conspiracy QAnon, not members of Antifa.
Antifa and BLM sites both claim it!
Like I said
Watch what happens the next two weeks.
100% Self Destruction
Yep
Johnny I like hearing your opinions. I can't help but notice your "sources" of facts were from Washington Times and CNN.
Johnny, those are not reliable political sources. I'd say the same of the other side.
When your sources are one sided bias media how can you use this for your facts to argue?
You do understand that both Washington Times and CNN are absolutely bias towards a democratic agenda?
My mom has the same issue with facts. She'll sit and watch NBC nightly news every night. Again NBC Nightly news has a one sided bias.
Media has ruined this country. We've seen it with ESPN and all the one sided news outlets. When are people going to be able to read true journalism again?
Praxis effect
Quote from: ZonaBBB on January 08, 2021, 09:48:56 AM
Johnny I like hearing your opinions. I can't help but notice your "sources" of facts were from Washington Times and CNN.
Johnny, those are not reliable political sources. I'd say the same of the other side.
When your sources are one sided bias media how can you use this for your facts to argue?
You do understand that both Washington Times and CNN are absolutely bias towards a democratic agenda?
My mom has the same issue with facts. She'll sit and watch NBC nightly news every night. Again NBC Nightly news has a one sided bias.
Media has ruined this country. We've seen it with ESPN and all the one sided news outlets. When are people going to be able to read true journalism again?
Praxis effect
Amen
BEARDOWN
Quote from: ZonaBBB on January 08, 2021, 09:48:56 AM
Johnny I like hearing your opinions. I can't help but notice your "sources" of facts were from Washington Times and CNN.
Johnny, those are not reliable political sources. I'd say the same of the other side.
When your sources are one sided bias media how can you use this for your facts to argue?
You do understand that both Washington Times and CNN are absolutely bias towards a democratic agenda?
My mom has the same issue with facts. She'll sit and watch NBC nightly news every night. Again NBC Nightly news has a one sided bias.
Media has ruined this country. We've seen it with ESPN and all the one sided news outlets. When are people going to be able to read true journalism again?
Praxis effect
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The Washington Times has always been the polar opposite of CNN. They are almost as conservative as CNN...
The difference is that those two media outlets interview legit sources & don't have to constantly "apologize" for running baseless stories.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/11/14/fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-apologizes-after-falsely-claiming-a-dead-man-voted-in-georgia/?sh=1a66ef7d33fa
https://www.npr.org/2020/11/07/932203022/as-trumps-chances-fade-murdoch-s-fox-news-faces-wrath-and-tough-choices
https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/fox-news-apologizes-debunked-coronavirus-story-73157600
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/06/fox-news-apologizes-error-removing-trump-photo-jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell/
I could paste a million more links, but this probably says enough. When you look up former apologies from the Washington Times, the stories were written by BS "bloggers"...not legit sources (like the above).
Oops...meant to say "as conservative as FOX"
I know Washington Times has been right leaning. Like Fox News they also have shown their colors and their script appears to be flipping. Regardless for you to think any of these political articles and coverage in the media gasbag is something to lean on for "legit sourcing"just shows the obliviousness.
CNN are you kidding me. Listen to videos of these guys during both protests. What they spewed then and now. All of the media. Do you see the truth in any of that? Please. Too many sheep.
I voted for Trump, twice, it was not because I like, or respect the man, but because of things like the Keystone pipeline, brining jobs back to America, doing away with redundant regulations. He accomplished many of those things. I accepted his loss after the first recounts. I really thought everyone else had also, I just looked at Trump not accepting the results as being, that's just not in Trump's DNA to admit he lost, nothing more. I really did not think anyone actually took him seriously about contesting the results. Boy was I wrong.
Right now, I am in favor of invoking the 25th Amendment, he has not done anything since the election, but spread dissention , and false hope. The over running of the Capital falls squarely on his shoulders.
I have always felt that past Presidents need to just fade away and let the next one lead, with Trump, I do not think that is in his DNA also. We do not need anymore of this crap.
Johnny KC whoever else,
Maybe I'm the only who feels this way.
Not everyone watches CNN, FOX, ABC, CBS, NBC News all week. That's what you liberals don't understand. We haven't fallen for the bullshit. That's why you don't get it. We didn't fall for all the bullshit. Over hyper hysteric dislike put on one person and shaming everyone who steps in their way.
We're not sorry for interrupting your agenda.
While living in Houston, I watched NBC in the morning for 10 minutes to check out the weather and traffic because they directly affected my job.
Now that I'm in KC, I watch for 5 minutes because the traffic is minimal here.
The last place I would ever get my news is from a psycho blogger that doesn't have any legit sources, except for the regurgitation of FOX News, which is obviously not credible (see the above links).
Recently, I started following this election drama because it's comical. An adult (that is considered a "leader" by some) is throwing a childish fit...and there are other adults that are ridiculous enough to respect his uneducated comments.
BTW, great post WC. I couldn't make myself vote for Biden. Already looking ahead to 2024...
Agree with wc.
Look I'm not an Uber liberal. I worked for McCain. I left dc decades ago because it was too political for me then. My problem with Trump is and always been about his aversion to the rule of law and his constant lies and dissention. Words matter. We have to stand up and call out the bullshit because some crazies seize on his words and believe the lies and act on them. It results in real harm. If we repeat the lies or even don't speak up then we're complicit. That's why we all should not tolerate little George's bullshit on this site.
It's wrong and dangerous. We're not talking about differences of policies or opinions, we're talking about facts. No one is entitled to their own facts. Some things are objectively true or untrue. Lying to people and claiming the election was stolen has consequences. Allegations of wrongdoing must be proven, which they weren't. That Biden won is a fact. That Trump sent his supporters to the Capitol for the express purpose of disrupting the count is a fact. That qanon leaders and proud boy leaders led these efforts is a fact. Even if BLM and antifa activists were present it doesn't alter that fact.
On a side note, I voted for Obama to get him elected, I did not vote for him to be reelected. A sheep, I am not.
This will be Trump once Joe steps down and Kamala becomes POTUS lmao
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it should have been bernie
Johnny Bravo you ignorant statements make me laugh. Do some actual research on BLM, Clinton foundation and Biden. If you support them after actually doing some open minded research, then your beyond help.
Research? We don't need no stinkin research. Well, sheeple don't anyway.
It's sickening what's about to happen in Haiti.
Those Arizona politicians at it again...
https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-backed-arizona-candidate-charged-with-public-sexual-indecency-2022-10
The main thing i've learned in my interactions with humans is that the people pointed and yelling someone else is guilty of something, they are generally the one committing that act.
i dont support joe but good to see him giving it to the saudis a little. they deserve to be put in their place for helping putin.
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
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https://joebiden.com/accomplishments/
But they fail to add what Biden has done wrong
SON
AFGANISTAN
Open Borders
Closed the pipe-line
GAS UP UP AND PHUKING UP
Friends with China
War started (it wold not have happened if we had a strongwomen leader like Trump) by Russia
More Rockets from North Korea
Biden wife is the leader...not him
Arizona governor election results... Rigged?
No. Trump had no proof in 2020 and Kari Lake will have no proof in 2022. Just because they say something is rigged, doesn't make it true.
Quote from: Kryten on November 15, 2022, 10:35:13 AM
No. Trump had no proof in 2020 and Kari Lake will have no proof in 2022. Just because they say something is rigged, doesn't make it true.
Actually there was tons of proof that Bidan did not get the win. There was also tons of proof of corruption in the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, and double that in Pennsylvania. That was 2020!
2022 as well in Pennsylvania, Michigan snd Georgia as well as Nevada, Colorado, and Arizona. California hasn't had a legit election in decades!
My opinion is based on what I know. I have the right to that opinion just as you have the right to yours. Respect it!
Don't post shit that cannot be backed up!
Besides, even if you do, those that oppose your thoughts will try to shame you or worse.
We have had fraud in our elections for decades now. At least since JFK!
We have a very corrupt media that promotes lots of BS.
We have a corrupt court system.
We have a corrupt Congress
There will be no easy fix. Our country is in real trouble and those that think Trump can and will ride in and fix it are really ignorant in the matter. Those that think Bidan is legit are just as delusional.
We all need to openly discuss the matters openly without being offended by everyone who has a different view. The only real fix is for the people to unite and work together. That hasn't been the case because those in power have done their best to divide us for longer than any of us have been alive.
I hardly post anymore, my time is too short to spend it all on sports. This much I needed to say.
To everyone here, please respect different opinions and thoughts. We have a serious situation and it will take the American People working together to fix it.
It is funny that to any religious person living in America today, there is NOTHING more important than the Gospel and the Rights given in the Constitution. Yet when religion or politics is brought up everyone scattered.
To Christians I say this. What are the two great commandments? If we lived those two only there would be peace in the land.
I have missed posting, but life's turns change things quickly.
Bear Down Together!
There is no proof of fraud after two years of spouting lies. You say things but that is not proof. 61 of 62 court cases lost by election deniers. Trump lost by like 7 million popular votes. And if you think the Dems pulled off that insane amount of fraud and there is not proof you would want the smarter party in office, lol.
Republicans could have won Arizona if they had presented a slate of normal, conservative mainstream candidates. But the many independent voters and many Republicans turned away from all this conspiracy crap. Republicans need policies, not cult leaders. They are a minority in this country and need to accept that and win people over with constructive policies. They only claim fraud in elections they lose too. How convenient.
Voters approve in-state tuition at UArizona.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/arizona-voters-approve-in-state-tuition-undocumented-students-rcna57113
I'm not surprised That uninform people support bixen and his evil regime Evil has control of the media and you rarely hear anything that is truthful about trump or about Biden on the contrary regardes of what you think about trump personally he had our country going in the right direction our economy was booming our borders were closed and everybody and I mean everybody was successful the crap the The crap That the media spuse about trump is so ridiculous and dishonest that I can't hardly believe any intelligent Person Wood believe it Since Biden has taken office he has given up our energy independence closing down our energy production causing soaring gas prices our borders are wide open drugs human trafficking millions of people pouring across our border illegally each day In the The proof is in the pudding under trump we were prosperous under Biden everything that he is done was harmful to our country and he continues to do more To run us into the ground And what does he do he is too busy inviting transvestites and sex change side is to the white house causing division between the races Worrying about what trump is gonna do next Lying about the border and his own doing in inflatation About his families illegal ties To china Russia and the Ukraine do you hear about any of that in the mainstream media of course not they are lying to you wake up we are about to lose our country and our freedom because people Don't care enough about their freedom and liberty to fight for them to even research anything beyond what some idiot on the news tells them and they believe ITIT's just really disgraceful It makes me sad and now what is Biden doing he is militarizing the DOJ and the FBI to go after his enemies what do you think the 90,000 new Irs agents are gonna do just like Obama did they gonna go after good patriots people who believe in freedom and liberty and that apose his regime but them You can say it's not true doesn't change the facts it's happening you can read about it instead of about it if you care to good honest people including Christians who do nothing but stand up for their beliefs and religion are going to jail every day FBIFBI is showing up at their house guns drawn haulling them off in front of their kids and wives No reason just that they don't agree with the crap that the Biden Is spewing It's almost too late if more people don't wake up and see the corruption and the evil we will lose our country and then all hell will break loose. If you do not study history you are doomed to repeat it What do you think will happen when communism takes hold in our country every 1 who In anyway fights for their rights will die welcome to Biden's America.
Quote from: talj1@juno.com on November 17, 2022, 02:14:03 PM
I'm not surprised That uninform people support bixen and his evil regime Evil has control of the media and you rarely hear anything that is truthful about trump or about Biden on the contrary regardes of what you think about trump personally he had our country going in the right direction our economy was booming our borders were closed and everybody and I mean everybody was successful the crap the The crap That the media spuse about trump is so ridiculous and dishonest that I can't hardly believe any intelligent Person Wood believe it Since Biden has taken office he has given up our energy independence closing down our energy production causing soaring gas prices our borders are wide open drugs human trafficking millions of people pouring across our border illegally each day In the The proof is in the pudding under trump we were prosperous under Biden everything that he is done was harmful to our country and he continues to do more To run us into the ground And what does he do he is too busy inviting transvestites and sex change side is to the white house causing division between the races Worrying about what trump is gonna do next Lying about the border and his own doing in inflatation About his families illegal ties To china Russia and the Ukraine do you hear about any of that in the mainstream media of course not they are lying to you wake up we are about to lose our country and our freedom because people Don't care enough about their freedom and liberty to fight for them to even research anything beyond what some idiot on the news tells them and they believe ITIT's just really disgraceful It makes me sad and now what is Biden doing he is militarizing the DOJ and the FBI to go after his enemies what do you think the 90,000 new Irs agents are gonna do just like Obama did they gonna go after good patriots people who believe in freedom and liberty and that apose his regime but them You can say it's not true doesn't change the facts it's happening you can read about it instead of about it if you care to good honest people including Christians who do nothing but stand up for their beliefs and religion are going to jail every day FBIFBI is showing up at their house guns drawn haulling them off in front of their kids and wives No reason just that they don't agree with the crap that the Biden Is spewing It's almost too late if more people don't wake up and see the corruption and the evil we will lose our country and then all hell will break loose. If you do not study history you are doomed to repeat it What do you think will happen when communism takes hold in our country every 1 who In anyway fights for their rights will die welcome to Biden's America.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Quote from: talj1@juno.com on November 17, 2022, 02:14:03 PM
I'm not surprised That uninform people support bixen and his evil regime Evil has control of the media and you rarely hear anything that is truthful about trump or about Biden on the contrary regardes of what you think about trump personally he had our country going in the right direction our economy was booming our borders were closed and everybody and I mean everybody was successful the crap the The crap That the media spuse about trump is so ridiculous and dishonest that I can't hardly believe any intelligent Person Wood believe it Since Biden has taken office he has given up our energy independence closing down our energy production causing soaring gas prices our borders are wide open drugs human trafficking millions of people pouring across our border illegally each day In the The proof is in the pudding under trump we were prosperous under Biden everything that he is done was harmful to our country and he continues to do more To run us into the ground And what does he do he is too busy inviting transvestites and sex change side is to the white house causing division between the races Worrying about what trump is gonna do next Lying about the border and his own doing in inflatation About his families illegal ties To china Russia and the Ukraine do you hear about any of that in the mainstream media of course not they are lying to you wake up we are about to lose our country and our freedom because people Don't care enough about their freedom and liberty to fight for them to even research anything beyond what some idiot on the news tells them and they believe ITIT's just really disgraceful It makes me sad and now what is Biden doing he is militarizing the DOJ and the FBI to go after his enemies what do you think the 90,000 new Irs agents are gonna do just like Obama did they gonna go after good patriots people who believe in freedom and liberty and that apose his regime but them You can say it's not true doesn't change the facts it's happening you can read about it instead of about it if you care to good honest people including Christians who do nothing but stand up for their beliefs and religion are going to jail every day FBIFBI is showing up at their house guns drawn haulling them off in front of their kids and wives No reason just that they don't agree with the crap that the Biden Is spewing It's almost too late if more people don't wake up and see the corruption and the evil we will lose our country and then all hell will break loose. If you do not study history you are doomed to repeat it What do you think will happen when communism takes hold in our country every 1 who In anyway fights for their rights will die welcome to Biden's America.
Where in the f*%k did you come up with this BS!
What an insane rant, TALJ1 Not worth reading!
Well I hate to tell you this, but the current VP of the Unites States openly admitted that she, herself witnessed fraud via hacking. I guess that it's not okay for the Republicans to make the claim, but If Harrison, Hillary or another Liberial does its completely true. The Democratic don't cheat, but they ballot harvest which is allowed, but completely unethical. It's very difficult for one party to overcome the mainstream media, when they aren't afforded fair and equitable treatment. Lastly, if there was a single voting system, that was administered by an outside party and verified through blockchain, there wouldn't be any issues. Unfortunately, politicians are corrupt on both sides, and that will never happen. JMO
What makes mainstream media "fake news", but non-mainstream media the real news?
Quote from: GoCats on November 18, 2022, 07:13:10 AM
Well I hate to tell you this, but the current VP of the Unites States openly admitted that she, herself witnessed fraud via hacking. I guess that it's not okay for the Republicans to make the claim, but If Harrison, Hillary or another Liberial does its completely true. The Democratic don't cheat, but they ballot harvest which is allowed, but completely unethical. It's very difficult for one party to overcome the mainstream media, when they aren't afforded fair and equitable treatment. Lastly, if there was a single voting system, that was administered by an outside party and verified through blockchain, there wouldn't be any issues. Unfortunately, politicians are corrupt on both sides, and that will never happen. JMO
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This is correct, accept that ballot harvesting is NOT legal, at least not in most states. It has been a staple of the California elections for many years though. Maybe that is why the state is so fuill of Communists pretending to be Democrats?
I find it very difficult to believe or accept most anything coming from the corrupt Federal Government and most of the three letter organizations that are supposed to be working FOR the American people rather than controlling and terrorizing the American People.
At this point, the government failing might be the best thing for the American People? IDK about that, but one thing Trump was correct about is the needing to drain the swamp.
Now for those who have questioned my Noose posting some time back, that is NOT a racial post! It is a Justice post! Justice needs to be served and the penalty for Treasous and Sedition can be and it often the Death sentence. When tyou dig deep into the truth the Clintons, Bushes, Obamas, Bidens, and many many others fit that description. It goes all the way back to LB Johnson at a minimum. It includes a majority of our current Congress and many of our Judicial branch of government.
For those who deny the stealing of elections and claim nothing was proven in court, just remember that almost every case presented to the courts was thrown out NOT on merit, but on the courts refusing to hear the cases!
Trust the media and follow the millions of sheeple in the country that could NOT possibly understand why George Washington and our for-fathers stood against tyranny!
On the media, they are corrupt because they are owned by corrupt people who use them for their own purposes and gain! Why Hunter Biden's laptop has been hidden in plain site. The Bidan crime family!
why can't you guys just drop this shit and maybe play more pickem. Seriously, effing grow up and be a part of the solution.
Voter fraud has been around for years. The Simpsons portrayed it in the early 90's, it occurred when Gore lost and it likely occurred on BOTH sides when Trump lost.
It seems a little ridiculous to me that corrupted politicians complain about a corrupted voting process in a corrupted system. If you "lost", suck it up and move on to the next scandalous career. I don't want to hear lazy Americans complain about the ridiculous articles they read from a fake-news website.
The voting majority be like... (https://media.tenor.com/5-GBxGWsp2sAAAAM/arizona-az.gif)
Quote from: CactusCat on November 19, 2022, 10:05:15 PM
The voting majority be like... (https://media.tenor.com/5-GBxGWsp2sAAAAM/arizona-az.gif)
Bus be like "Oh no, nobody has responded in a day and a half. This thread is at risk of going dormant. I don't want to be done watching people argue. Let's get this thread back on the 1st page."
How accurate, on a scale of 1-10?
Gay Republicans in the news.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/08/us/politics/marriage-bill-gay-republicans.html
Quote from: |P|R|Y|M|E| on November 19, 2022, 11:01:20 PM
Quote from: CactusCat on November 19, 2022, 10:05:15 PM
The voting majority be like... (https://media.tenor.com/5-GBxGWsp2sAAAAM/arizona-az.gif)
Bus be like "Oh no, nobody has responded in a day and a half. This thread is at risk of going dormant. I don't want to be done watching people argue. Let's get this thread back on the 1st page."
How accurate, on a scale of 1-10?
I go with a 10 on that one.