To those supporting Joe Biden

[Jdmarti]

It sounds like trump  may have a case in some of these states  I hope, I think biden an Harris  will be bad for our country  wreck the economy  biden may due away with social security.
May due away with our retirement funds.
There's alot things I don't  like about biden an harris how about harris view on abortion.

Trump was running a good economy  until covid came down an they had these shut downs from the governors.
I hope trump can get reelected  some how.

[ZippyZ]

So....you believe that there is a giant multi-state conspiracy to rig the election against Trump...but the army of conspirators decided to elect more Republicans to the house, to elect more Republican governors, more Republican state legislators, and to not to take over the Senate while they were rigging the election?

Is this what you truly believe?

Is it not more likely that the majority of Americans did not want to re-elect someone who told them to inject bleach into their lungs?

Checkmate.

Weren't you the party that believed for three years, despite no evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election? That really seemed more plausible to you than voter fraud in Democrat controlled Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia?

If everything is legit, you should have no problem with recounts, and ballot audits in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia, with representatives from each party present. If Biden still wins, then he wins and everyone can trust the system.

Won't even take a three year multi-million dollar investigation by a special council  to determine you international conspiracy theory to steal the election from Hillary was a hoax perpetrated by Hillary. Can be done before the electoral college meets.

At least it's good to see you Democrats don't believe in election conspiracies anymore.

The responses by you and others show why it is difficult to have a reasonable discussion with Trump fans.   You assumed I am a Democrat, and you would be wrong. I am an Independent that actually voted for two local Republican candidates this year. I do see Trump as an immoral conman, idiot, and general cancer that has infected the America.  He is a bully, liar, coward, tax-cheat, and narcissist. He doesn't pay his bills, screws over small contractors, and uses a army of lawyers to bully people without the same resources.

Your view about the integrity of the election seems illogical to anybody with reasonable intelligence. The 2020 vote-count has nothing to do with the investigation of Russian influence into the 2016 Trump election.  Trump won the 2016 election, and I do not think anybody has ever questioned that.

Hopefully, in the weeks ahead you will moderate your view of world.  If you do not see the problem with your conspiracy logic, I cannot help you.  Trump won by about 1% in 2016 in PA. Trump lost by about 1% in 2020 in PA. Trump told Americans to inject bleach into their lungs.  Trump also treated war-hero McCain with disrespect and lost Republican-controlled AZ.

Last question...would you want your children to exhibit the same moral character of Donald Trump?  Would you want your daughter to marry the a man with the same moral character as Donald Trump? Feel free to change the subject and talk about Bill, Hillary, etc etc etc etc.

[Little George]

So....you believe that there is a giant multi-state conspiracy to rig the election against Trump...but the army of conspirators decided to elect more Republicans to the house, to elect more Republican governors, more Republican state legislators, and to not to take over the Senate while they were rigging the election?

Is this what you truly believe?

Is it not more likely that the majority of Americans did not want to re-elect someone who told them to inject bleach into their lungs?

Checkmate.

Weren't you the party that believed for three years, despite no evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election? That really seemed more plausible to you than voter fraud in Democrat controlled Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia?

If everything is legit, you should have no problem with recounts, and ballot audits in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia, with representatives from each party present. If Biden still wins, then he wins and everyone can trust the system.

Won't even take a three year multi-million dollar investigation by a special council  to determine you international conspiracy theory to steal the election from Hillary was a hoax perpetrated by Hillary. Can be done before the electoral college meets.

At least it's good to see you Democrats don't believe in election conspiracies anymore.

The responses by you and others show why it is difficult to have a reasonable discussion with Trump fans.   You assumed I am a Democrat, and you would be wrong. I am an Independent that actually voted for two local Republican candidates this year. I do see Trump as an immoral conman, idiot, and general cancer that has infected the America.  He is a bully, liar, coward, tax-cheat, and narcissist. He doesn't pay his bills, screws over small contractors, and uses a army of lawyers to bully people without the same resources.

Your view about the integrity of the election seems illogical to anybody with reasonable intelligence. The 2020 vote-count has nothing to do with the investigation of Russian influence into the 2016 Trump election.  Trump won the 2016 election, and I do not think anybody has ever questioned that.

Hopefully, in the weeks ahead you will moderate your view of world.  If you do not see the problem with your conspiracy logic, I cannot help you.  Trump won by about 1% in 2016 in PA. Trump lost by about 1% in 2020 in PA. Trump told Americans to inject bleach into their lungs.  Trump also treated war-hero McCain with disrespect and lost Republican-controlled AZ.

Last question...would you want your children to exhibit the same moral character of Donald Trump?  Would you want your daughter to marry the a man with the same moral character as Donald Trump? Feel free to change the subject and talk about Bill, Hillary, etc etc etc etc.

If there is voter fraud, an honest person should want to know.

Trump 2016:  "if there is collusion in my campaign, find it so we can fix it."
Dems 2016: 40 million dollars later, impeach and prosecute him and anyone associated with him.
Clinton 2016: "It is everyone's fault I lost. And Destroy the evidence"
Trump 2020: "There is voter fraud. We need to see what happened"
Dems 2020: " it's a conspiracy theory, nothing to see here"
Biden 2020: "Nobody call it early. And I win before things are settled a d official."

Not to mention the fact that Clinton and others already told Biden to never concede the race.
Maybe why the just keep counting those "extra" ballots that people are finding?
Just saying, we have a process and some people have taken it upon themselves to change the process and they have no authority to do so. Let the process now play out and we will see who is in office come summer of 2020. It won't be Biden!
It will either be
Harris if Biden wins
Trump, or Pence if they assassinate Trump for beating them again.

[ichi]

We should no everything we can to ensure fair elections - hopefully both sides will support election reform

Just saying, we have a process and some people have taken it upon themselves to change the process and they have no authority to do so.

again, where? who has taken it upon themselves to change the process?  The Pennsylvania Supreme Court?  even if the ballots they allowed are counted it won't change the result, you and your orange hero cannot accept defeat so make up crazy theories

there is no evidence of what you claim, its a lie foisted on you by his team

the Hammer hoax is perpetrated by a known hoaxster, most other claims have already been rejected

and finally, the Russian thing.  I see it frequently posted that there was no collusion.  This is in direct denial of evidence of an exchange of info between Russia and the campaign, but all of the followers listen only to conspiracy theories about some emails

I was impressed by this line tho

Either way. This will get the true count and we will al know. Those involved in tainting the election should be prosecuted and we all move on.

I concur, I hope that everyone will be able to accept the rulings and final election decision, and that folks will step back and reevaluate what they think based on the final set of facts.  I think it will show that you've been mislead

[Aokay]

So....you believe that there is a giant multi-state conspiracy to rig the election against Trump...but the army of conspirators decided to elect more Republicans to the house, to elect more Republican governors, more Republican state legislators, and to not to take over the Senate while they were rigging the election?

Is this what you truly believe?

Is it not more likely that the majority of Americans did not want to re-elect someone who told them to inject bleach into their lungs?

Checkmate.

Weren't you the party that believed for three years, despite no evidence, that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election? That really seemed more plausible to you than voter fraud in Democrat controlled Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia?

If everything is legit, you should have no problem with recounts, and ballot audits in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia, with representatives from each party present. If Biden still wins, then he wins and everyone can trust the system.

Won't even take a three year multi-million dollar investigation by a special council  to determine you international conspiracy theory to steal the election from Hillary was a hoax perpetrated by Hillary. Can be done before the electoral college meets.

At least it's good to see you Democrats don't believe in election conspiracies anymore.

The responses by you and others show why it is difficult to have a reasonable discussion with Trump fans.   You assumed I am a Democrat, and you would be wrong. I am an Independent that actually voted for two local Republican candidates this year. I do see Trump as an immoral conman, idiot, and general cancer that has infected the America.  He is a bully, liar, coward, tax-cheat, and narcissist. He doesn't pay his bills, screws over small contractors, and uses a army of lawyers to bully people without the same resources.

Your view about the integrity of the election seems illogical to anybody with reasonable intelligence. The 2020 vote-count has nothing to do with the investigation of Russian influence into the 2016 Trump election.  Trump won the 2016 election, and I do not think anybody has ever questioned that.

Hopefully, in the weeks ahead you will moderate your view of world.  If you do not see the problem with your conspiracy logic, I cannot help you.  Trump won by about 1% in 2016 in PA. Trump lost by about 1% in 2020 in PA. Trump told Americans to inject bleach into their lungs.  Trump also treated war-hero McCain with disrespect and lost Republican-controlled AZ.

Last question...would you want your children to exhibit the same moral character of Donald Trump?  Would you want your daughter to marry the a man with the same moral character as Donald Trump? Feel free to change the subject and talk about Bill, Hillary, etc etc etc etc.

"The responses by you and others show why it is difficult to have a reasonable discussion with Trump fans.   You assumed I am a Democrat, and you would be wrong."

Have you not made the same mistake? Do you know for a fact that Aztec is a registered Republican and not an Independent like yourself?

"I am an Independent that actually voted for two local Republican candidates this year. I do see Trump as an immoral conman, idiot, and general cancer that has infected the America.  He is a bully, liar, coward, tax-cheat, and narcissist. He doesn't pay his bills, screws over small contractors, and uses a army of lawyers to bully people without the same resources."

All you've done here is establish your reasons for despising Trump. How does that make a "reasonable discussion" more likely? You've just sabotaged the premise of your argument.

"Your view about the integrity of the election seems illogical to anybody with reasonable intelligence."

Determined by you? I'm reasonably intelligent, and I think it's fair to say that of the 70 million plus people that voted for Trump, there are many more reasonably intelligent people. We've never had an election with so many mail in ballots, meaning it's unique. A reasonable person might consider the possibility that this new wrinkle may have brought with it, the potential for fraudulent activity -- it certainly couldn't be ruled out given what we know about human nature.

"Hopefully, in the weeks ahead you will moderate your view of world."

Because yours is superior? Hubris anyone?

"If you do not see the problem with your conspiracy logic, I cannot help you."

At what point did he ask for your help?

"Trump won by about 1% in 2016 in PA. Trump lost by about 1% in 2020 in PA."

After Biden and his running mate all but guaranteed that they would put an end to fracking, it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that his margin of victory would increase in 2020, given the number of people in that state whose jobs reside in the oil industry.

"Trump told Americans to inject bleach into their lungs."

Any report on how many people followed orders? Was there a Youtube video showing how to make the injection? Do you have the link with the video evidence showing Trump made this appeal to the Tide Pod crowd?

"Trump also treated war-hero McCain with disrespect and lost Republican-controlled AZ."

And this addresses the issue of voter fraud how?

"Last question...would you want your children to exhibit the same moral character of Donald Trump?  Would you want your daughter to marry the a man with the same moral character as Donald Trump? Feel free to change the subject and talk about Bill, Hillary, etc etc etc etc."

If you're going to bring up Trumps moral character, the Clintons are certainly fair game. That aside, Trump was not elected based on his character, he was elected on his campaign promises to his base. He's fulfilled most of those promises. Trump voters didn't want open borders, horseshit trade agreements, activist judges legislating from the bench, taxpayer funded abortion, the ACA as written, a diminished military, weakened law enforcement, etc etc etc etc.

[FOOS]

And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane.  Pure genius; pure gold

Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay

[KansasCityCats]

Let's just move on to Socialism already. Democracy obviously won't allow either party to accept a "fair" voting process.

[Aokay]

And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane.  Pure genius; pure gold

Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay

"And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane.  Pure genius; pure gold"

Hey, we've got a stockpile . . . waste not want not.

"Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay"

Unlike the Creepy One, I adhere to the full list of Church teachings. It's the main reason, I could not, in good conscience, vote for any person that supported or promoted the taking of unborn lives. I'm going to have a tough enough time as it is when I stand before God: without adding aiding and abetting the abortion industry to my list of sins.

[FOOS]

And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane.  Pure genius; pure gold

Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay

You tossed out any credibility you had with 'waste not, want not".....  wow.  I was starting to think you might be reasonable.  Amazing anyone could think that was even a remotely good idea.... "holy" shit

"And let's not forget everyone's favorite - suggesting we drop a nuclear weapon on a hurricane.  Pure genius; pure gold"

Hey, we've got a stockpile . . . waste not want not.

"Surprised you are not pulling for your fellow Catholic, Aokay"

Unlike the Creepy One, I adhere to the full list of Church teachings. It's the main reason, I could not, in good conscience, vote for any person that supported or promoted the taking of unborn lives. I'm going to have a tough enough time as it is when I stand before God: without adding aiding and abetting the abortion industry to my list of sins.

[KansasCityCats]

WTF ever happened to "thou shall not kill"?  What a hypocritical religion. Don't kill unborn babies, but nuke the **** out of an entire nation.

It's like the bipartisan system: pick and choose when you want to follow the "rules".