Caleb Love

Started by Naterade, January 16, 2025, 09:19:47 PM

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arxpert

Quote from: |ᴘ|ʀ|ʏ|ᴍ|ᴇ| on January 20, 2025, 04:59:12 PM
Quote from: arxpert on January 20, 2025, 02:35:41 PM
Quote from: |ᴘ|ʀ|ʏ|ᴍ|ᴇ| on January 20, 2025, 02:21:05 AMnot developing Allonzo Trier into PG1 from Day 1

Both aren't PG's. Miller could have tried to shove a square peg into a round hole all he wanted to, but he was always a SG and a good one at that. The Trier core had major issues that had nothing to do with the talent of the team. Whether it was Book/Rawle, Osterine, or the fake FBI scandal.. That core was a great core and never got it's fair shake.

They could have been PGs is the point. If you've got the best handles and best 1v1 ability on your team, you automatically qualify as an option. Would most fans have complained if Love was PG1 instead of Kerr? Based on years of Kerr criticism, I doubt it. Would most fans have complained if Trier got PG duties behind Kadeem and then became PG1 instead of PJC? Based on years of PJC criticism, I doubt it. It's simply a "what if" that I believe would have been worth the effort.

Miller never got a chance to coach the best iteration of the Trier team. It was marred by scandal and Osterine. Miller helped his guys get their chances though.

Miller also had to battle to get Kerr to America. Some people forgot about that. No time to work with him.

Lloyd certainly did no favors for Kerr.

Barcello was an elite PG Option that slipped through in a numbers game and a campus girlfriend situation.

In the end, right now is what matters and Lloyd had 2 "PGs" ready for this year and they abandoned ship because of his poor roster building.

KansasCityCats

Quote from: arxpert on January 21, 2025, 03:13:28 AMIn the end, right now is what matters and Lloyd had 2 "PGs" ready for this year and they abandoned ship because of his poor roster building.

That's laughable.  Arizona has three guards ranked in the Big-12's Top-25 in Assists.  All three average less than 2 TO/game, despite playing high minutes.

Paper_Bag

Quote from: CatInFL on January 20, 2025, 11:01:15 AM
Quote from: Paper_Bag on January 19, 2025, 11:25:24 PMThere really is a strange misconception about Caleb's ability as a player. While he can have a good game here or there, he's not a good player. The narrative this year is that he's in a slump but the reality is he's right at his career 3p% and FG%. In fact, of his 5 seasons in college, this year's 38% FG would be the second most efficient season of his career. And for those advocating that he get to the line more, he's never shown the ability to do that. He hasn't averaged more than 4 FT attempts a game in a season. And with the way the B12 calls games that number is not likely to rise.

What you're seeing now is what Caleb Love is. All you can hope for is that we get in the tourney and he goes on a heater for 2 or 3 games.

I think it's important to realize that his 38% FG is heavily weighted by his 3 pt attempts.  He's 50% inside the line and 30 outside. It's also important to note that he's on pace to shoot more 3's this year than any other year of his college career. I believe that if he drives more, he'll get fouled more and shoot more FTs. It's simple fact that more fouls happen closer to the basket.

I see your point and I also would rather he take shots within the three point line but I don't want to see him driving recklessly to the rim hoping for a foul. Love attempts more threes per game than twos because he isn't adept at getting to the rim or finishing through contact in the half court. My point really is that he's been in college, playing a significant role for 4 1/2 seasons. He is not going to become something he never has been in this final half season of his career. Last year he shot 41% from the field. I just want him to get to that number and hope he can carry us through a couple tough games.

arxpert

Quote from: KansasCityCats on January 21, 2025, 08:45:54 AM
Quote from: arxpert on January 21, 2025, 03:13:28 AMIn the end, right now is what matters and Lloyd had 2 "PGs" ready for this year and they abandoned ship because of his poor roster building.

That's laughable.  Arizona has three guards ranked in the Big-12's Top-25 in Assists.  All three average less than 2 TO/game, despite playing high minutes.

Your numbers always lack context and reality. We are not evaluating this mathematically. The game has to be played by humans on the court. This is where Numbers Do Lie. We don't need 3 guys with 4 assists per game if that is what you are trying to say. 1 guy with 12 Ast per game is far more powerful than 3 guys with 12ast per game. It is allowing everyone else to play a much more impactful role in different ways that matters more.

KansasCityCats

I respectfully disagree. Nothing should hinge upon the performance of one player, for countless reasons.

Having a team that truly shares the ball is indicative of a team that buys into their staff's game plan.

KansasCityCats

(And don't assume that I wouldn't want another TJ around because I'd kill for a true PG with a killer instinct; I just don't find it to be the most effective style of collegiate play).


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