Caleb Love

Started by Naterade, January 16, 2025, 09:19:47 PM

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Tom's Mistake
- not developing Caleb Love into PG1 from Day 1

Sean's Mistake
- not developing Allonzo Trier into PG1 from Day 1

KansasCityCats

Both mistakes: not developing Kriisa into a PG on day one...

CatInFL

Quote from: arxpert on January 19, 2025, 09:56:25 PM
Quote from: CatInFL on January 18, 2025, 09:22:19 PMHe could easily have scored 12 from the line today.
True, but he didn't. My response to all of that is simply - Caleb doesn't deserve the minutes.People throw the word "earn" around here a lot. Caleb hasn't earned minutes. He just got paid a fat paycheck. One that ran names like Sanon and Phillips out of town before the got here.I keep saying that the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube.The money is spent. Doesn't mean Tommy has to play the kid. He can be better off watching Conrad work PG with Bradley at SG at this rate

I generally agree, he has not earned the minutes.  I would put it a bit differently though.  I would say that we can't afford him as a 3 point shooter. Every thing else he does well, but he (and others) have killed so many rallies this year with missed 3 pointers. When he makes a 3 pointer I get scared, because he instantly falls in love with the 3 and mmisses the next several.

CatInFL

Quote from: Paper_Bag on January 19, 2025, 11:25:24 PMThere really is a strange misconception about Caleb's ability as a player. While he can have a good game here or there, he's not a good player. The narrative this year is that he's in a slump but the reality is he's right at his career 3p% and FG%. In fact, of his 5 seasons in college, this year's 38% FG would be the second most efficient season of his career. And for those advocating that he get to the line more, he's never shown the ability to do that. He hasn't averaged more than 4 FT attempts a game in a season. And with the way the B12 calls games that number is not likely to rise.

What you're seeing now is what Caleb Love is. All you can hope for is that we get in the tourney and he goes on a heater for 2 or 3 games.

I think it's important to realize that his 38% FG is heavily weighted by his 3 pt attempts.  He's 50% inside the line and 30 outside. It's also important to note that he's on pace to shoot more 3's this year than any other year of his college career. I believe that if he drives more, he'll get fouled more and shoot more FTs. It's simple fact that more fouls happen closer to the basket.

lynxaz

Lloyd is sticking by Caleb until the end per his last press conference after the loss to TT. He also said we played a close game although we were playing from behind the entire game. Lloyd is slipping back into his golly beav everything will be ok mantra. Will we be ok ?? I'm not sure we will this team still has not proved it can get past the 1st or 2nd round in the tourney if we even make the field of 64.

arxpert

Quote from: |ᴘ|ʀ|ʏ|ᴍ|ᴇ| on January 20, 2025, 02:21:05 AMnot developing Allonzo Trier into PG1 from Day 1

Both aren't PG's. Miller could have tried to shove a square peg into a round hole all he wanted to, but he was always a SG and a good one at that. The Trier core had major issues that had nothing to do with the talent of the team. Whether it was Book/Rawle, Osterine, or the fake FBI scandal.. That core was a great core and never got it's fair shake.

arxpert

Quote from: CatInFL on January 20, 2025, 10:51:29 AM
Quote from: arxpert on January 19, 2025, 09:56:25 PM
Quote from: CatInFL on January 18, 2025, 09:22:19 PMHe could easily have scored 12 from the line today.
True, but he didn't. My response to all of that is simply - Caleb doesn't deserve the minutes.People throw the word "earn" around here a lot. Caleb hasn't earned minutes. He just got paid a fat paycheck. One that ran names like Sanon and Phillips out of town before the got here.I keep saying that the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube.The money is spent. Doesn't mean Tommy has to play the kid. He can be better off watching Conrad work PG with Bradley at SG at this rate

I generally agree, he has not earned the minutes.  I would put it a bit differently though.  I would say that we can't afford him as a 3 point shooter. Every thing else he does well, but he (and others) have killed so many rallies this year with missed 3 pointers. When he makes a 3 pointer I get scared, because he instantly falls in love with the 3 and mmisses the next several.

Caleb is what Caleb is. He is a deep chucker. Not unlike Arenas aka Hibachi. The fact is Love was brought here to be a team leader. Tommy uses the portal incorrectly.

He recruits players and refuses to develop them. Refuses to let them play. Then they almost all transfer out. Some never to be heard from again, other flourishing.

Tommy shouldn't be recruiting our Team Leaders from the Portal. They are in the Portal for a reason. 99.9% of the time it is due to not being that good or just wanting to be paid or both.

If they are great players, they generally get a "raise" in the NIL era and stay where they are.

So Tommy is basically swinging and missing in the Portal on the best players. Then he is ignoring who he actually recruits that has real talent, and he is ending up having to start Mid Major players in heavy minutes.

All of which adds up to this overwhelming truth that we have a team that is 40% Mid Major starters and poor quality transfers from Power "4" conferences. Sorry to say. Awaka is not all that. He is just a guy who had a bright future and who is not being coached up to his potential.

And finally - Caleb Love could just go on a run in March Madness, but right now we aren't really a March Madness level team. We have to "earn" our spot in the dance. That is not "on brand" for Arizona Basketball to have to say.

This is not a weird transitional year where we had scandals or lost all of our recruits for bad reasons.

We lost recruits because Tommy is not a team builder. He used his resources incorrectly.

I am hoping that Bryce James is the catalyst of change. Tommy knows he can't do it alone. He needed someone with "star power" at least by Name to come in and help. I am shocked he got James. It is a huge deal.

arxpert

Quote from: lynxaz on January 20, 2025, 11:01:45 AMLloyd is sticking by Caleb until the end per his last press conference after the loss to TT. He also said we played a close game although we were playing from behind the entire game. Lloyd is slipping back into his golly beav everything will be ok mantra. Will we be ok ?? I'm not sure we will this team still has not proved it can get past the 1st or 2nd round in the tourney if we even make the field of 64.

This team is not currently a team I would put into the field of 68. I think Tommy has lost control and is just letting it all go at this point.

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Quote from: arxpert on January 20, 2025, 02:35:41 PM
Quote from: |ᴘ|ʀ|ʏ|ᴍ|ᴇ| on January 20, 2025, 02:21:05 AMnot developing Allonzo Trier into PG1 from Day 1

Both aren't PG's. Miller could have tried to shove a square peg into a round hole all he wanted to, but he was always a SG and a good one at that. The Trier core had major issues that had nothing to do with the talent of the team. Whether it was Book/Rawle, Osterine, or the fake FBI scandal.. That core was a great core and never got it's fair shake.

They could have been PGs is the point. If you've got the best handles and best 1v1 ability on your team, you automatically qualify as an option. Would most fans have complained if Love was PG1 instead of Kerr? Based on years of Kerr criticism, I doubt it. Would most fans have complained if Trier got PG duties behind Kadeem and then became PG1 instead of PJC? Based on years of PJC criticism, I doubt it. It's simply a "what if" that I believe would have been worth the effort.


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