Don't be mad at BYU or a Foul.

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Quote from: Jdmarti on February 23, 2025, 07:36:40 AMLousey call that was not a foul, Townsend actually  played nice defense  there an gets called for a foul when he had nothing,an we lose, if arizona  played decent defense we probably  when, but dropping 96 points tells us our defense was bad, byu 14 3 pointers an over 50% shooting.

This is the truth. We had all game to make adjustments and make BYU play into what we wanted them to do as opposed to allowing them to run their X's and O's.

arxpert

Quote from: Naterade on February 23, 2025, 08:48:44 AM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 05:57:44 AMOur team played a solid game against a team that was up by 30+ throughout a majority of the game in Bill Self's worst loss of his entire career.

If somebody is looking to blame anybody outside of the call that blatantly gave the game away, they're obviously not a fan of Arizona.


Our defense was bad. Letting a team score over 90 is not a solid effort. We deserved to lose. Not sure why Townsend was in there, not sure why he ended up on Saunders, not sure why we keep trying that bullshit full court heave inbounds pass. 3.6 seconds is plenty of time for Caleb to get the ball, take two dribbles and get a decent look. This loss was on a lack of defense. Tommy did not do a good enough job down the stretch to give us a chance to steal it.

This is the truth. I accept the loss. It was only a miracle we had the lead on that last possession. Tommy has to do better at making game plans and then adjusting when they aren't working.

arxpert

Quote from: LouieGTheThird on February 23, 2025, 09:03:58 AMWhat I don't agree about the statement or the post is the last call dictated the end of the game. That was not by any means a foul.

I agree, but I can also argue that the refs didn't need to issue a whistle for Caleb Love on the other end and in fact, that whistle forced Arizona to have to make 2 shots to gain the lead instead of just letting that very soft contact go in "Winning Time" and Love earns his layup to tie it.

Then I guarantee that there would have been no whistle on the other end on the final play.

When 1 whistle goes off, you can almost always count on another whistle going off. Especially ticky tack soft whistles.

If anyone wants to view it as a "hosing" or "ref agenda", then I would venture to say that the refs purposely tried to make it harder for us to tie or win the game by forcing the Caleb Love FTs and taking away the easy layup.

Or we can look at it more realistically and say that it was a smart play to try to get a foul on the floor by BYU knowing there is no Continuation And-1 and Love had an easy Layup. Well coached by BYU's HC.

Caleb Love stood under the rim and let "Keita" just lay a ball in, no effort at all. If he bear hugs Keita there, making him have to attempt 2 shots to earn 2 points, who knows. Maybe he misses.

That type of stuff is the difference in close games.

Tommy should have understood that 1 whistle begets the next whistle and called his defense to clog the lane shutting off any chance at a drive from anyone and just force BYU to try to win the game on what they did best all night, a long 3pt shot. Anyone should have been willing to live and die with that. Sometimes you need to "survive and advance".

It is tit for tat in basketball.

PS - I also agree on the 3.6 seconds. The team was just deflated and quit on the moment. Maybe Tommy should start practicing end of game play calls. There were many ways we could have gotten a shot off and possibly a make up call if executed in a certain way.

arxpert

Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 10:34:26 AMThis BYU offense has been hitting remarkable shots for the past couple months. They're consistent from the perimeter and I'm pretty sure their coach will end up in the NBA at some point.

Did we allow them to blow by our guards?  Yes. We should have adjusted. But the way they finished around the rim deserves credit.

I agree. Awaka got worked all night by guys much smaller. Smarter teams beat Tommy almost every time. It was all X's and O's last night and Tommy has very few responses in his playbook.

LouieGTheThird

Quote from: arxpert on February 23, 2025, 12:33:22 PM
Quote from: LouieGTheThird on February 23, 2025, 09:03:58 AMWhat I don't agree about the statement or the post is the last call dictated the end of the game. That was not by any means a foul.

I agree, but I can also argue that the refs didn't need to issue a whistle for Caleb Love on the other end and in fact, that whistle forced Arizona to have to make 2 shots to gain the lead instead of just letting that very soft contact go in "Winning Time" and Love earns his layup to tie it.

Then I guarantee that there would have been no whistle on the other end on the final play.

When 1 whistle goes off, you can almost always count on another whistle going off. Especially ticky tack soft whistles.

If anyone wants to view it as a "hosing" or "ref agenda", then I would venture to say that the refs purposely tried to make it harder for us to tie or win the game by forcing the Caleb Love FTs and taking away the easy layup.

Or we can look at it more realistically and say that it was a smart play to try to get a foul on the floor by BYU knowing there is no Continuation And-1 and Love had an easy Layup. Well coached by BYU's HC.

Caleb Love stood under the rim and let "Keita" just lay a ball in, no effort at all. If he bear hugs Keita there, making him have to attempt 2 shots to earn 2 points, who knows. Maybe he misses.

That type of stuff is the difference in close games.

Tommy should have understood that 1 whistle begets the next whistle and called his defense to clog the lane shutting off any chance at a drive from anyone and just force BYU to try to win the game on what they did best all night, a long 3pt shot. Anyone should have been willing to live and die with that. Sometimes you need to "survive and advance".

It is tit for tat in basketball.

PS - I also agree on the 3.6 seconds. The team was just deflated and quit on the moment. Maybe Tommy should start practicing end of game play calls. There were many ways we could have gotten a shot off and possibly a make up call if executed in a certain way.

Nevertheless. We can talk about what could've happened throughout the game. Everything could have happened accordingly they didn't have to call the whistle for Caleb he was making that layup as he did. Downhill with the big man in front of him on the perimeter he made the layup. If anything, it should have been an and 1. What dictated the final score of the game was the last play. That wasn't a foul. We can point fingers at Lloyd, or whoever on Arizona. Fact of the matter is Arizona was going to win that game. Townsend played as honest as you possibly can w/o getting a block or steal in that situation & Padilla made a really poor call from half court.

KansasCityCats

Quote from: arxpert on February 23, 2025, 12:08:30 PM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 05:57:44 AMOur team played a solid game against a team that was up by 30+ throughout a majority of the game in Bill Self's worst loss of his entire career.

If somebody is looking to blame anybody outside of the call that blatantly gave the game away, they're obviously not a fan of Arizona.

Kansas isn't better than BYU. Simple as that.

Absolutely. It's crazy how those teams flipped throughout the season.

Kansas still has a crazy amount of talent and their senior night matchup scares me.

arxpert

Quote from: LouieGTheThird on February 23, 2025, 02:05:52 PM
Quote from: arxpert on February 23, 2025, 12:33:22 PM
Quote from: LouieGTheThird on February 23, 2025, 09:03:58 AMWhat I don't agree about the statement or the post is the last call dictated the end of the game. That was not by any means a foul.

I agree, but I can also argue that the refs didn't need to issue a whistle for Caleb Love on the other end and in fact, that whistle forced Arizona to have to make 2 shots to gain the lead instead of just letting that very soft contact go in "Winning Time" and Love earns his layup to tie it.

Then I guarantee that there would have been no whistle on the other end on the final play.

When 1 whistle goes off, you can almost always count on another whistle going off. Especially ticky tack soft whistles.

If anyone wants to view it as a "hosing" or "ref agenda", then I would venture to say that the refs purposely tried to make it harder for us to tie or win the game by forcing the Caleb Love FTs and taking away the easy layup.

Or we can look at it more realistically and say that it was a smart play to try to get a foul on the floor by BYU knowing there is no Continuation And-1 and Love had an easy Layup. Well coached by BYU's HC.

Caleb Love stood under the rim and let "Keita" just lay a ball in, no effort at all. If he bear hugs Keita there, making him have to attempt 2 shots to earn 2 points, who knows. Maybe he misses.

That type of stuff is the difference in close games.

Tommy should have understood that 1 whistle begets the next whistle and called his defense to clog the lane shutting off any chance at a drive from anyone and just force BYU to try to win the game on what they did best all night, a long 3pt shot. Anyone should have been willing to live and die with that. Sometimes you need to "survive and advance".

It is tit for tat in basketball.

PS - I also agree on the 3.6 seconds. The team was just deflated and quit on the moment. Maybe Tommy should start practicing end of game play calls. There were many ways we could have gotten a shot off and possibly a make up call if executed in a certain way.

Nevertheless. We can talk about what could've happened throughout the game. Everything could have happened accordingly they didn't have to call the whistle for Caleb he was making that layup as he did. Downhill with the big man in front of him on the perimeter he made the layup. If anything, it should have been an and 1. What dictated the final score of the game was the last play. That wasn't a foul. We can point fingers at Lloyd, or whoever on Arizona. Fact of the matter is Arizona was going to win that game. Townsend played as honest as you possibly can w/o getting a block or steal in that situation & Padilla made a really poor call from half court.

Well I saw Townsend allow Saunders bump into him. He should have defended better if this is how you really feel and used agility to disallow being ever-so-slightly bumped into. That wasn't the best defense of all time. He was on skates as the drive started, then Saunders stopped and Townsend did his best, but his best wasn't good enough. Fact of the matter is he shouldn't have been on the floor and the wrong defensive strategy was called.

Tommy should have forced BYU to hit a 3pt shot by clogging the lane disallowing any drives at all. If we lost on a 3pt shot so be it. Wouldn't have been the first time and won't be the last time.

Tommy invited that whistle.

arxpert

Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 05:18:55 PM
Quote from: arxpert on February 23, 2025, 12:08:30 PM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 05:57:44 AMOur team played a solid game against a team that was up by 30+ throughout a majority of the game in Bill Self's worst loss of his entire career.

If somebody is looking to blame anybody outside of the call that blatantly gave the game away, they're obviously not a fan of Arizona.



Kansas isn't better than BYU. Simple as that.

Absolutely. It's crazy how those teams flipped throughout the season.

Kansas still has a crazy amount of talent and their senior night matchup scares me.

If we are every bit of what you say we are then we will win that game.


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