What does everyone think?
Business as usual, LOTS of corruption!
Also, I served in the military and respect the ideas and opinions of all Americans to exercise their right to vote, voice their opinions, defend themselves, and so on, but we have a few issues these days that drive me crazy. Some people, both left and right, religious and non-religious, are so easily offended by anything and everything that happens even when it has nothing to do with them personally. I love this sight because we can speak freely with our ideas, opinions, and facts. My gripe is with those who are so butt-hurt every time the breeze blows one way or the other. Everyone has the right to their own opinions and life-styles! I hope we can try to clean it up around here just a little, but it must come from each individual and not moderators. One thing most of us have in common is our love of the University, or the sports programs at Arizona. Some of us are die-hard fans while never attending personally while others are alumni. I know most have heard the statement "United we stand, divided we fall". It is true of the our family, school, community, and our nation. Respecting differing opinions is important to working out differences and resolving problems. I can totally disagree with some persons thoughts on a player or event without trying to destroy all their credibility or character. I hope that we can remember this all the time and especially here on this board. Remember, NOBODY is perfect. Bear Down!
Quote from: WILDSIZZLE on November 04, 2020, 04:15:28 PM
What does everyone think?
Trump is the one fuming so damn hard that he hate losing and the only way for him is go to court?
Where the evidence that WISCONSIN screw up or mess up? other than that He stalling for time and he know he done lost the election.
Actually at 3 am with 94% of precints reporting Trump was up 100k votes in Wisconsin. At 4 am with 95% reporting, Biden was up 20k votes. I find that really strange to be honest.
In Wayne County Michigan there was a UPS delivery at 3 am with 120k ballots in a box and 100% were for Biden.
In both states there was a direction given to stop counting as soon as Biden was in the lead per reports. In Pennsylvania they are not required to verify any signatures or anything. No official ballot is required. That kinda defeats the purpose of other states honoring the election rules/laws.
North Carolina has verified voter issues.
There are other issues that do not add up. No matter who wins or loses, we should ALL be upset with the voter fraud going on. This is not new to the process, but getting worse each time out. The Democrats were claiming this in 2016. Republicans in 2018. There needs to be serious consequences for altering the election from the people. Who does any of the candidates running this year represent? Not one represented the people! They all want power and control. The two party system has created a divide and a quest for power. There is nothing they will not do for power. The only fix may take something we really do not want.
Yes
"We have put together, I think, the most extensive & inclusive VOTER FRAUD organization in the history of American politics." - Joe Biden
Did he misspeak?
Voter suppression has been rampant in American since our beginning. Is that also fraud ?
I also found it interesting that last night "angry Trump supporters" converged on the Maricopa election center screaming 'stop the count' while Biden is ahead and Trump closing the gap.....
Similar to paying players in collegiate athletics, I'm baffled if anybody thinks that the system isn't ****ed up.
Gore lost on a Florida recount and Trump somehow pulled off a win in 2016, despite losing the popular vote. Hell, I think there was an election in the 19th century that was canceled...after the results were in (so the corruption goes pretty deep into our history).
Regardless of who wins, there's going to be chaos because Trump is involved.
Alot of this has to do with the left wing press and the narrative of a Biden win.
Most news sites have been calling states prior to the official count or the margin is 1% or less meaning those states could recount
I've seen myself multiple sites reporting differently
Pedal to the meddle!
Quote from: CactusCat on November 05, 2020, 04:28:41 PM
Pedal to the meddle!
"Stop counting votes now ! But I'm closing the gap in Arizona, so we need to count all those votes"
I find it interesting that Las Vegas the city that never sleeps stopped counting votes for a day and is taking their time to count. There are several bets in Vegas on who will win the election including one for 500 million dollars. Seems like they're waiting to see how everything turns out in the other states, but maybe that's not the case. 🤔
I think there is a lot of shady stuff going in alot of states.
Of course there is voter fraud. Anyone who denies it is lying. The easiest explanation outside of all the irregularities and proof (which WILL come out in the courts) is:
(1) why, on election night, did states (states Trump was ahead and Biden needed to win) stop or suspend counting; only to receive truck loads of ballots in the middle of the night, which oddly all went to Biden?
(2) why did Dem election official prohibit Republican poll watchers form "watching" the process? Kicking them out, boarding up windows and saying they were stopping the count only to keep counting through the night in secrecy.
(3) prior to the election, why would Dems file so many lawsuits to change voting laws; laws primarily allowing mail-in ballot to count if arriving after election day or even if signatures did not match?
You will see proof of all of this come out. Some are easy to prove, such as looking at how many ballots went to deceased individuals and how many of them voted or how many out of state residents voted or why there were more votes than an actual county population.
The fact is that Trump got a record turnout on election day. He received record vote totals from minority groups and he over-performed in most counties. But, we are to believe that Biden (who never got more than 1% of the vote in his past 2 presidential bids) and Harris (who did not get 1% of the Dem vote and was one of the 1st out in the Primary election) receive a record number of votes (more than Obama) and more than 1/2 being cast by mail-in ballot? Don't be pissing on my leg and tell me its raining.
Quote from: FOOS on November 05, 2020, 05:15:43 PM
Quote from: CactusCat on November 05, 2020, 04:28:41 PM
Pedal to the meddle!
"Stop counting votes now ! But I'm closing the gap in Arizona, so we need to count all those votes"
Liberal regurgitation here. It's not hard; count the legal votes and make sure there was no fraud. We know the latter is true; hell its already been seen and proven in past, but recent elections in these Dem-run big cities.
President-Elect Biden won victories in two traditionally Republican states where Republicans established all of the voting rules. Trump told people to inject bleach into their lungs. Trump infected the entire White House with Covid. I am surprised anybody would vote for "Wuhon Don"!
Quote from: ZippyZ on November 10, 2020, 03:54:34 PM
President-Elect Biden won victories in two traditionally Republican states where Republicans established all of the voting rules. Trump told people to inject bleach into their lungs. Trump infected the entire White House with Covid. I am surprised anybody would vote for "Wuhon Don"!
President-Elect?
Funny... I don't think a State has certified it's election results yet. And the media certainly does not have that power to deem someone President elect.
Give it a week or so. The picture will start to clear in that regard...
I know somebody in Texas that worked the polls. They were intimidated OUT of the polling locations by Trump's henchmen, who refused to wear masks so voters would feel uncomfortable and leave.
This is not a conspiracy...it happened. A large portion of the volunteers refused to show up the next day and the entire process was delayed (not as a result of mysterious incoming votes).
Voter fraud and paying college basketball players goes hand in hand. We all know it happens but the system will never be fixed until somebody gets screwed hard enough.
When somebody has a minimum of 270 electoral votes, they are president elect. Not to say that votes won't be retraced between now and then (ala Gore)
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 10, 2020, 05:02:53 PM
I know somebody in Texas that worked the polls. They were intimidated OUT of the polling locations by Trump's henchmen, who refused to wear masks so voters would feel uncomfortable and leave.
This is not a conspiracy...it happened. A large portion of the volunteers refused to show up the next day and the entire process was delayed (not as a result of mysterious incoming votes).
Voter fraud and paying college basketball players goes hand in hand. We all know it happens but the system will never be fixed until somebody gets screwed hard enough.
I am sure this goes both ways, but the poll workers were filling in ballots on video in other locations.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 10, 2020, 05:04:10 PM
When somebody has a minimum of 270 electoral votes, they are president elect. Not to say that votes won't be retraced between now and then (ala Gore)
I expect some to be taken off, but nothing is official anyways until Dec`14. This is only the press claiming it to be over. Looks like there is a chance that Wisconin and Pennsylvania could flip red. Arizona as well. Still up in the air with Georgia and Nevada. Michigan is a real mess as well that will likely take longer to work out.
All this could be resolved easily with Voter ID in place.
Quote from: Little George on November 10, 2020, 06:47:26 PM
I expect some to be taken off, but nothing is official anyways until Dec`14. This is only the press claiming it to be over. Looks like there is a chance that Wisconin and Pennsylvania could flip red. Arizona as well. Still up in the air with Georgia and Nevada. Michigan is a real mess as well that will likely take longer to work out.
LOL...I love your optimism! You think six states are going to flip!
Quote from: ZippyZ on November 10, 2020, 07:16:23 PM
Quote from: Little George on November 10, 2020, 06:47:26 PM
I expect some to be taken off, but nothing is official anyways until Dec`14. This is only the press claiming it to be over. Looks like there is a chance that Wisconin and Pennsylvania could flip red. Arizona as well. Still up in the air with Georgia and Nevada. Michigan is a real mess as well that will likely take longer to work out.
LOL...I love your optimism! You think six states are going to flip!
Really? NO! But it only takes three if they are the right ones.
I have a hard time swallowing Harris as President
no systemic meddling with the count, he can't admit he lost so he's meddling with the process
Quote from: ichi on November 10, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
no systemic meddling with the count, he can't admit he lost so he's meddling with the process
Lots of cases already!
Seems to be alot of cases in different states.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 10, 2020, 05:04:10 PM
When somebody has a minimum of 270 electoral votes, they are president elect. Not to say that votes won't be retraced between now and then (ala Gore)
Yes, when the States has certified it's election results, and if the sum of the elector totals to 270 votes, more likely than not that person is the President Elect.
The media has no power to determine who is the President Elect.
Nowadays
the media is a bunch of
political activists! It's more of opinion and
manipulation than real news.
Like I stated,
give it a week or so. The picture will start to clear in that regard...
Quote from: Little George on November 10, 2020, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: ichi on November 10, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
no systemic meddling with the count, he can't admit he lost so he's meddling with the process
Lots of cases already!
lots of allegations, most all are weak and unlikely to either change the results or prove systemic problems exists
all you who claim to be fair and support the Constitution should realize that in America, its innocent until proven guilty, and a bunch of blurry video isn't proof
the big question remains, when the results are certified will you all accept them or will you continue with the crazy conspiracy theories even after they've been laid to rest?
these clips aged like milk
https://fb.watch/1HQ56XgZNp/ (https://fb.watch/1HQ56XgZNp/)
Quote from: ichi on November 11, 2020, 09:04:24 AM
Quote from: Little George on November 10, 2020, 10:14:59 PM
Quote from: ichi on November 10, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
no systemic meddling with the count, he can't admit he lost so he's meddling with the process
Lots of cases already!
lots of allegations, most all are weak and unlikely to either change the results or prove systemic problems exists
all you who claim to be fair and support the Constitution should realize that in America, its innocent until proven guilty, and a bunch of blurry video isn't proof
the big question remains, when the results are certified will you all accept them or will you continue with the crazy conspiracy theories even after they've been laid to rest?
Yes the Constitution
If it were followed we would not have these issues. Election corruption is rampant and being done all over. States violating the laws. The process itself is corrupt when local and state leaders try to change the rules in the middle of the game. That I cludes courts and state supreme courts who have NO authority in the matter.
Quote from: ichi on November 11, 2020, 10:28:46 AM
these clips aged like milk
https://fb.watch/1HQ56XgZNp/ (https://fb.watch/1HQ56XgZNp/)
That's is absolutely classic. Ending with "sore loser-ish"...
QuoteElection corruption is rampant and being done all over.
all of the allegations so far have been rebuked, cases have been dismissed, there is no evidence of widespread election fraud
he owns the Justice Dept and has appointed judges across the Country, when no systemic corruption is found will you admit defeat and respect the Constitution, or will you go all sore loser-ish?
Quote from: ichi on November 11, 2020, 05:16:38 PM
QuoteElection corruption is rampant and being done all over.
all of the allegations so far have been rebuked, cases have been dismissed, there is no evidence of widespread election fraud
he owns the Justice Dept and has appointed judges across the Country, when no systemic corruption is found will you admit defeat and respect the Constitution, or will you go all sore loser-ish?
All of the allegations rebuked?!?! It hasn't even been presented yet!
Quote from: Bkatt on November 11, 2020, 09:33:18 PM
Quote from: ichi on November 11, 2020, 05:16:38 PM
QuoteElection corruption is rampant and being done all over.
all of the allegations so far have been rebuked, cases have been dismissed, there is no evidence of widespread election fraud
he owns the Justice Dept and has appointed judges across the Country, when no systemic corruption is found will you admit defeat and respect the Constitution, or will you go all sore loser-ish?
All of the allegations rebuked?!?! It hasn't even been presented yet!
...Presented in the Courts that is.
None of them will go to court if judges continuously dismiss the lawsuits.
www.loser.com
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QuoteAll of the allegations rebuked?!?! It hasn't even been presented yet!
except that for each allegation there has been a rebuke, even Republican AGs are calling the claims fraudulent
and many of the cases have been dismissed out of hand, sometimes by Trump appointees
the remaining cases won't affect the outcome, here in AZ the case was about 180 ballots
meanwhile the campaign is asking for donations to help with the legal fund, EXCEPT you must donate more than $8000 to the fund before any of it goes to the legal fund, below $8000 all proceeds go to repaying old debt and financing a new media empire
you are being played and only your stubbornness refuses to allow you to see it, there is no systemic fraud and the Biden won fairly, do your duty as an America and support democracy instead of backing an attempt at a coup
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Quote from: ichi on November 12, 2020, 11:54:24 AM
meanwhile the campaign is asking for donations to help with the legal fund, EXCEPT you must donate more than $8000 to the fund before any of it goes to the legal fund, below $8000 all proceeds go to repaying old debt and financing a new media empire
Rudy said that the Trump Legal Defense Fund was as legit as the Trump Foundation. No need to read the fine print! Well... you have to be impressed with the Trump con. It took him about two minutes after he lost the election to start fleecing his supporters. He just spewed Covid all over them for two months so why not take their money? Steve Bannon has already been indicted for stealing from the same dumb people with his "We Build The Wall" scam. Stealing from MAGA-rubes is Wuhon Don's racket, and I am sure he is not pleased that he didn't get a cut from Sloppy Steve.
Oh well, the buy-a-pardon phase of the Trump con is coming soon. I fully expect criminals such as shady bankers from the Middle East, Turkey, China, Russia, etc to be granted pardons soon.
This is an official release from the US DHS Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency
https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election (https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election)
QuoteJOINT STATEMENT FROM ELECTIONS INFRASTRUCTURE GOVERNMENT COORDINATING COUNCIL & THE ELECTION INFRASTRUCTURE SECTOR COORDINATING EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES
Original release date: November 12, 2020
WASHINGTON – The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) President Maggie Toulouse Oliver, National Association of State Election Directors (NASED) President Lori Augino, and Escambia County (Florida) Supervisor of Elections David Stafford – and the members of the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC) – Chair Brian Hancock (Unisyn Voting Solutions), Vice Chair Sam Derheimer (Hart InterCivic), Chris Wlaschin (Election Systems & Software), Ericka Haas (Electronic Registration Information Center), and Maria Bianchi (Democracy Works) - released the following statement:
"The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result.
"When states have close elections, many will recount ballots. All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary. This is an added benefit for security and resilience. This process allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes or errors. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.
"Other security measures like pre-election testing, state certification of voting equipment, and the U.S. Election Assistance Commission's (EAC) certification of voting equipment help to build additional confidence in the voting systems used in 2020.
"While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too. When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections."
this is a Newsweek report on the claims being made by Trump/RNC lawyers
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-campaign-lawyer-contradicts-president-court-says-we-are-not-alleging-fraud-1547018 (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-campaign-lawyer-contradicts-president-court-says-we-are-not-alleging-fraud-1547018)
basically campaign lawyers stated that they are not alleging fraud
from a NYT article about what's going on inside the WH "Trump floats improbable survival scenarios as he ponders his future"
QuoteBy dominating the story of his exit from the White House, he hopes to keep his millions of supporters energized and engaged for whatever comes next.
The president has insisted to aides that he really defeated Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Nov. 3, but it is unclear whether he actually believes it. And instead of conducting discreet requests for recounts, Mr. Trump has made a series of spurious claims, seizing on conspiracies fanned on the internet.
The latest was on Thursday, when he falsely claimed on Twitter that Dominion voting machines switched hundreds of thousands of his votes to Mr. Biden, citing a report he had seen on the fringe network OANN, something even his supporters called ridiculous and a federal agency overseeing cybersecurity disavowed in a statement.
Advisers said his efforts were in keeping with one of his favorite pastimes: creating a controversy and watching to see how it plays out.
As a next step, Mr. Trump is talking seriously about announcing that he is planning to run again in 2024, aware that whether he actually does it or not, it will freeze an already-crowded field of possible Republican candidates. And, Republicans say, it will keep the wide support he showed even in defeat and could guarantee a lucrative book deal or speaking fees.
oh wait, that's lamestream media so it must be fake, the truth only comes from one man, everyone else, all them other motherfuckers are lying 'scumbags'
even these guys 'Abuse of the rule of law': 1,000 ex-judges, legal experts slam Trump's false claims of voter fraud (http://'Abuse%20of%20the%20rule%20of%20law':%201,000%20ex-judges,%20legal%20experts%20slam%20Trump's%20false%20claims%20of%20voter%20fraud)
and finally, a 538 piece on how people were conditioned to believe the election was a fraud, how we were 'primed'
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-were-primed-to-believe-the-current-onslaught-of-disinformation/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-were-primed-to-believe-the-current-onslaught-of-disinformation/)
QuoteEven before he was president, Trump was alleging election fraud without producing evidence. During his 2016 campaign he claimed the election was "rigged" in favor of Clinton, predicted widespread voter fraud and announced he would accept the results of the election only if he won. Over the past year, he has reiterated many of the same baseless assertions, seizing in particular on mail-in voting, which he maintained (again without evidence) would lead to fraud.
Whether Trump realized it or not, he was engaging in something academics call priming.
He does not respect the Constitution or his constituents (for example, he has asked his advisors if he could get Republican guvs to order their states' electors to vote for him despite the popular vote) or not, hate everyone who thinks differently and believe a notorious conman, even it means the end of democracy here.
he's been lying to you and you've fallen for it
Law firm Porter Wright has decided to stop representing Trump in his frivolous lawsuits in PA. I guess even lawyers have a moral line that they will not cross. Non-disclosure agreements with prostitutes and porn stars is one thing...undermining law, freedom, and democracy in America is another. The law firm was concerned that its reputation would be forever tainted. Trump diminishes every person that assists him. And he gives them Covid.
Quote from: ichi on November 13, 2020, 08:59:09 AM
This is an official release from the US DHS Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency
https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election (https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election)
QuoteJOINT STATEMENT FROM ELECTIONS INFRASTRUCTURE GOVERNMENT COORDINATING COUNCIL & THE ELECTION INFRASTRUCTURE SECTOR COORDINATING EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES
Original release date: November 12, 2020
WASHINGTON – The members of Election Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council (GCC) Executive Committee – Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Assistant Director Bob Kolasky, U.S. Election Assistance Commission Chair Benjamin Hovland, National Association of Secretaries of State (NASS) President Maggie Toulouse Oliver, National Association of State Election Directors (NASED) President Lori Augino, and Escambia County (Florida) Supervisor of Elections David Stafford – and the members of the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Council (SCC) – Chair Brian Hancock (Unisyn Voting Solutions), Vice Chair Sam Derheimer (Hart InterCivic), Chris Wlaschin (Election Systems & Software), Ericka Haas (Electronic Registration Information Center), and Maria Bianchi (Democracy Works) - released the following statement:
"The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history. Right now, across the country, election officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing the result.
"When states have close elections, many will recount ballots. All of the states with close results in the 2020 presidential race have paper records of each vote, allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary. This is an added benefit for security and resilience. This process allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes or errors. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.
"Other security measures like pre-election testing, state certification of voting equipment, and the U.S. Election Assistance Commission's (EAC) certification of voting equipment help to build additional confidence in the voting systems used in 2020.
"While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too. When you have questions, turn to elections officials as trusted voices as they administer elections."
this is a Newsweek report on the claims being made by Trump/RNC lawyers
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-campaign-lawyer-contradicts-president-court-says-we-are-not-alleging-fraud-1547018 (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-campaign-lawyer-contradicts-president-court-says-we-are-not-alleging-fraud-1547018)
basically campaign lawyers stated that they are not alleging fraud
from a NYT article about what's going on inside the WH "Trump floats improbable survival scenarios as he ponders his future"
QuoteBy dominating the story of his exit from the White House, he hopes to keep his millions of supporters energized and engaged for whatever comes next.
The president has insisted to aides that he really defeated Joseph R. Biden Jr. on Nov. 3, but it is unclear whether he actually believes it. And instead of conducting discreet requests for recounts, Mr. Trump has made a series of spurious claims, seizing on conspiracies fanned on the internet.
The latest was on Thursday, when he falsely claimed on Twitter that Dominion voting machines switched hundreds of thousands of his votes to Mr. Biden, citing a report he had seen on the fringe network OANN, something even his supporters called ridiculous and a federal agency overseeing cybersecurity disavowed in a statement.
Advisers said his efforts were in keeping with one of his favorite pastimes: creating a controversy and watching to see how it plays out.
As a next step, Mr. Trump is talking seriously about announcing that he is planning to run again in 2024, aware that whether he actually does it or not, it will freeze an already-crowded field of possible Republican candidates. And, Republicans say, it will keep the wide support he showed even in defeat and could guarantee a lucrative book deal or speaking fees.
oh wait, that's lamestream media so it must be fake, the truth only comes from one man, everyone else, all them other motherfuckers are lying 'scumbags'
even these guys 'Abuse of the rule of law': 1,000 ex-judges, legal experts slam Trump's false claims of voter fraud (http://'Abuse%20of%20the%20rule%20of%20law':%201,000%20ex-judges,%20legal%20experts%20slam%20Trump's%20false%20claims%20of%20voter%20fraud)
and finally, a 538 piece on how people were conditioned to believe the election was a fraud, how we were 'primed'
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-were-primed-to-believe-the-current-onslaught-of-disinformation/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-were-primed-to-believe-the-current-onslaught-of-disinformation/)
QuoteEven before he was president, Trump was alleging election fraud without producing evidence. During his 2016 campaign he claimed the election was "rigged" in favor of Clinton, predicted widespread voter fraud and announced he would accept the results of the election only if he won. Over the past year, he has reiterated many of the same baseless assertions, seizing in particular on mail-in voting, which he maintained (again without evidence) would lead to fraud.
Whether Trump realized it or not, he was engaging in something academics call priming.
He does not respect the Constitution or his constituents (for example, he has asked his advisors if he could get Republican guvs to order their states' electors to vote for him despite the popular vote) or not, hate everyone who thinks differently and believe a notorious conman, even it means the end of democracy here.
he's been lying to you and you've fallen for it
Don the Con
Anyone who says Dems did not cheat are stupid as hell or they are lying.
Biden, the would-be oldest President in US history, received 15 million more votes than Obama, while losing in almost every bell-weather county across the country. That's never been done in history.
Biden underperformed Hillary Clintons totals in every urban county in the US....
but outperformed her in in the metro areas of Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania; 4 of the states that just so happen suspended their counting the night of the election....Hmmm
Trump gained more than 10 million more votes than 2016; received record support by minorities; and over-performed in most counties.
In big cities run by Dems, more people voted than registered voters....Hmmm
The Dominion voting machines have somehow disappeared...Hmmm
It will all come out when it goes to the SCOTUS.
No dought pac, lots of cheating.
Justice needs to be served biden should not be aloud to be president, if they let them dems get away with it they will continue this for years to come.
Let me propose a question.
We know 'WE the PEOPLE' cannot trust our government or the courts! So that aside.
IF Trump does flip a state or two, BUT Biden still wins, will every one just admit the corruption and agree to do something about it?
IF Trump does flip PA, MI, GA, and any other states and remains President, will everyone just accept it and 'move on'?
The fact that Trump got more votes than any other candidate in history is one thing, but the thought that as he did that, that Biden got more? Or that Biden got more than Obama? That is absolutely NOT believable in my thought process!
If Trump cannot flip it, so be it. If he does, can we really just move on?
First of all, this election is over. The minions that won admit defeat are still donating money to try and salvage a state or two, which won't make a difference in the end.
Second, the BLM movement is the reason that the urban/rural sides have a huge discrepancy in the voting this year. Americans were forced to "take sides" and we know where the hillbillies stand.
Third, we all know that there's meddling within the voting process in every election. The system is broken. If you don't like it, push for socialism; it works in non dysfunctional countries like Sweden...
Quote from: KansasCityCats on November 27, 2020, 01:39:12 PM
First of all, this election is over. The minions that won admit defeat are still donating money to try and salvage a state or two, which won't make a difference in the end.
Second, the BLM movement is the reason that the urban/rural sides have a huge discrepancy in the voting this year. Americans were forced to "take sides" and we know where the hillbillies stand.
Election is NOT over until all states are certified and legal matters are settled.
Interesting that in Philly and Wayne County MI there were more votes than registered voters. Add in Wisconsin as all three states had big vote dumps between 2 and 5 am when counting was supposedly not happening. Interesting to me either way. NO way in hell Biden surpassed Obama in votes!
Third, we all know that there's meddling within the voting process in every election. The system is broken. If you don't like it, push for socialism; it works in non dysfunctional countries like Sweden...
He didn't surpass anybody's records, in terms of "percentage of votes". More people turned out to vote because both candidates have Americans that want to vote AGAINST the other candidate.
Mass voter fraud includes lots of avenues.
I will wait and see what shakes out.
The level of nonsense in this thread is overwhelming
there is no evidence because it was a well-run clean election
y'all are undermining the very fabric of democracy, you're willing to support a would-be despot undo the votes of millions of Americans, without evidence
y'all are willing to shit on the good people who ran those elections, including Republicans, including the courts appointed by him, including staunch conservatives
you have been conned, you are being used, you are being lied to by the man you put your trust in
I feel bad for not only America, not only for the people around the world who used to hold American freedom and democracy up as their light, but for you, letting yourselves be abused
he didn't win, good Americans voted him out while keeping the downstream politicians who they support
but since his little tiny frail ego is vulnerable, and he wants to keep power over you, he's willing to tear the fabric of our society apart rather than accept fact
and you lap it up like little poodles, no facts, just baseless allegations
when he was yelling fraud to the cameras his lawyers were telling the courts no fraud, no court has overturned anything
what you want now is for the legislatures to overturn the will of the people because, without evidence, you believe there was fraud
imagine if a Democrat attempted to subvert the will of the voters by simply claiming, as he has and as you have parroted, that there is no way he could have gotten than many votes, so throw out the election and install electors
imagine if a Democrat tried to undo the vote, to have sympathetic legislatures install their preferred candidate - overturning the popular vote without evidence
bunch o fuckin hypocrites, bordering on sedition, you suck at being decent human beings and good Americans
You are in denial. You will never believe there was voter fraud even if there is clear evidence and there is a lot of evidence of voter fraud. Open your mind and realize that even Biden himself said they have put together the biggest voter fraud organization in American history. How can you explain this??? Check it out below.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/coalregioncanary.com/2020/11/12/joe-biden-quote-voter-fraud-organization/amp/
The fraud is with out a doubt real. Facts have been put out there. A witness in a crime trial states his or her testimony and it is proof enough. When Trump was accused of Collusion there was NO proof, yet most of America believed the lies. Was there collusion? Yes, between Hillary Clinton's campaign and Russia and other countries as well. Yet we still see that not a single lying FBI agent or Clinton, or anyone else has been charged. However we have dug for years to find anything we could make up against Trump and Flynn and others. You deny that?
Over 500 people have witnessed and sworn to the criminal fraud in this election. Eyes wide open? Those are testimonies that will stand in court IF judges allow it in there. Our judges are just as biased and corrupt in many cases and why Trump tried to put Constitutional judges in the courts with those appointments. Not political hacks that have sold their souls to the next bribe that comes along.
500 plus witnesses and you will still turn the other way and deny it. This is NOT a Trump thing. It is a total corruption thing within our government to advance a NWO. Every President since Carter has talked about it at some point except Reagan. It is not Republican Democrat either, as both are involved in selling your own damned country out from under our arses to a NWO in which China will have much control of. If it were up to me we would wipe them all out and start all over because the corruption goes so deep it is hard to tell the good from the bad. Kill everyone in congress and you would only lose, maybe, a few good people. Maybe. Ever wonder why and how so many people in congress are now MULTI-MILLIONAIRES? Sold us all out. Me, You, Your Kids and Grandkids. The next generation is F'd IF we do not turn that around. If it is not done the right way, it will be done another way and nobody wants that.
QuoteYou will never believe there was voter fraud even if there is clear evidence and there is a lot of evidence of voter fraud.
another example of how full of it you are
you don't know me, you're projecting your inability to deal onto me
if there was any evidence of ballot manipulation I would be pissed, I'd demand satisfaction in the form of severe incarceration for anyone found guilty
if there were evidence it would have been presented, conservative judges appointed by the prez would have seen it and followed through
Quote500 plus witnesses and you will still turn the other way and deny it.
your 500 plus witnesses have all been debunked, they either presented hearsay from others or complained about minor technicalities that would not affect the outcome or they were completely ignorant of accepted procedures - none have stood up in court
and now you say that a judge appointed by him, a judge who is a long-standing member of the Federalist Society, a man known for his conservatism, lied and dismissed a lawsuit because he biased and corrupt?
and then claim I'm in denial, dude its pathetic and it would be hilarious except that your undermining American democracy
ps your Biden video is when he claimed to have put together an operation to fight voter fraud
QuoteBiden, Oct. 24: But one of the things that I think is most important is those who haven't voted yet, first of all go to IWILLVOTE.com to make a plan exactly how you're going to vote, where you're going to vote, when you're going to vote. Because it can get complicated, because the Republicans are doing everything they can to make it harder for people to vote — particularly people of color — to vote. So go to IWILLVOTE.com.
Secondly, we're in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration — President Obama's administration before this — we have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics. What the president is trying to do is discourage people from voting by implying that their vote won't be counted, it can't be counted, we're going to challenge it and all these things. If enough people vote, it's going to overwhelm the system.
You see what's happening now, you guys know it as well as I do, you see the long, long lines and early voting. You see the millions of people who have already cast a ballot. And so, don't be intimidated. If in fact you have any, any problem go to — and I don't have the number but it's 833-DEM-VOTE... Call that number. We have over a thousand lawyers, over a thousand of them, they'll answer the phone, if you think there's any challenge to your voting. Go to 833-DEM-VOTE, dial those letters on your phone. That will get you the assistance that we have already put in place.
so lets recap
you want to overturn an American election because you don't like the result, you believe there is fraud but cannot produce any evidence, you want legislatures to overwrite the will of the people but declaring your boy the winner, you think that anyone who doesn't support your effort is a crook, and all you can do is cry about Hilary?
pathetic, in hoops you'd be down 420-69 and want the refs to call the game for you, and some guy is constantly posterizing you and you got nothing
Whatever!
Deny the facts. You must have believed the Peepee tapes stuff two.
Debunked is a statement the left uses whenever someone mentions the truth and they want to run from it.
The right is NOT the answer, but the left is the problem. Flush them both and start all over.
if you ever present a fact here I'll pay close heed, I love facts
you're wrong about a lot of things, like how I would react, like I'm a member of the left, like there was evidence, but you're unable to recognize this
I'm actually a hardcore 2A guy, I believe in a strong National defense and limited government - I consider myself a Constitutionalist if you must have a label cause I know you like to label people so you'll know whether or not their facts are real
and 'debunked' means that the facts do not support the assertion, it means its been shown to be false, but you need to demonize the nasty libs and find reassurance that facts are what don tells you, no need to question
QuoteThe telephone call would have been laugh-out-loud ridiculous if it had not been so serious. When Tina Barton picked up, she found someone from President Trump's campaign asking her to sign a letter raising doubts about the results of the election.
The election that Ms. Barton as the Republican clerk of the small Michigan city of Rochester Hills had helped oversee. The election that she knew to be fair and accurate because she had helped make it so. The election that she had publicly defended amid threats that made her upgrade her home security system.
"Do you know who you're talking to right now?" she asked the campaign official. Evidently not.
If the president hoped Republicans across the country would fall in line behind his false and farcical claims that the election was somehow rigged on a mammoth scale by a nefarious multinational conspiracy, he was in for a surprise. Republicans in Washington may have indulged Mr. Trump's fantastical assertions, but at the state and local level, Republicans played a critical role in resisting the mounting pressure from their own party to overturn the vote after Mr. Trump fell behind on Nov. 3.
The three weeks that followed tested American democracy and demonstrated that the two-century-old system is far more vulnerable to subversion than many had imagined even though the incumbent president lost by six million votes nationwide. But in the end, the system stood firm against the most intense assault from an aggrieved president in the nation's history because of a Republican city clerk in Michigan, a Republican secretary of state in Georgia, a Republican county supervisor in Arizona and Republican-appointed judges in Pennsylvania and elsewhere.
They refuted conspiracy theories, certified results, dismissed lawsuits and repudiated a president of their own party, leaving him to thunder about a supposed plot that would have had to include people who had voted for him, donated to him or even been appointed by him. The desperate effort to hang onto office over the will of the people effectively ended when his own director of the General Services Administration determined that Joseph R. Biden Jr. is the president-elect and a judge Mr. Trump put on the bench chastised him for ludicrous litigation.
"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy," Judge Stephanos Bibas, appointed by Mr. Trump in 2017, wrote for a three-judge panel of the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia on Friday as it dismissed the latest of dozens of legal claims filed by Mr. Trump and his allies. "Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."
Unfounded as it is, the president's campaign against the results may leave lasting scars. With much of the Republican establishment endorsing or staying silent on Mr. Trump's claims, and polls indicating that tens of millions of Republicans believe the election was somehow rigged, faith in American democracy, the fundamental tenet of the social contract established by the framers, has eroded in a dangerous way. And Mr. Biden, the incoming president, now faces a country where many of his constituents consider him illegitimate.
Those who defied Mr. Trump despite their own partisan backgrounds remain bruised by the experience too, in some cases questioning the political system that they have spent years upholding. They may pay a price if their fellow Republicans see what they did as acts of disloyalty rather than conscience. But those who have spoken out expressed no regrets.
"I've got a pretty thick skin, but it's hard not to feel shook by it all," Ms. Barton reflected the other day. "We take our job so seriously that it's devastating to us to have something like that happen. I cried every day for a week, every time I thought about it. My biggest concern was, we're already living in a time when so many people have so little confidence in the process and to give them more reason not to trust the results was absolutely devastating to me."
'Numbers Don't Lie'
The drama began within hours after the polls closed. The initial leads that Mr. Trump enjoyed in several battleground states began to dwindle as absentee and mail-in votes that favored Mr. Biden were slowly counted and added to the tallies released publicly. Mr. Trump portrayed the numbers as fraudulent and headed to court, filing lawsuits in multiple states.
In Arizona, where Trump allies complained that the use of Sharpie pens invalidated ballots because they bled through, Clint Hickman, the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors and a Republican, sent an open letter with a Democratic colleague saying they were "concerned about the misinformation spreading about the integrity of our elections."
Mark Brnovich, the state's Republican attorney general who is widely expected to run for governor in 2022, announced he would investigate the use of the Sharpies. A day later, he tweeted he was satisfied that the pens did not influence the election in any way.
Passions continued to rise. The Democratic secretary of state received threats to kill her family and pets and burn down her house. Mr. Hickman stepped up again, issuing another letter calling on Republicans to "dial back the rhetoric, rumors and false claims."
Rusty Bowers, the Republican speaker of the state House of Representatives, likewise pushed back against the conspiracies and resisted an "enormous amount of pressure" for lawmakers to choose their own electors to support Mr. Trump. "I took an oath to support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution and laws of the State of Arizona," he said.
In Georgia, Mr. Trump and his allies were blocked by Brad Raffensperger, the Republican secretary of state. A mild-mannered civil engineer, Mr. Raffensperger is a staunch conservative who won his office two years ago with an endorsement from Mr. Trump and a platform of Trumpian goals, including a promise to protect the voting system from illegal immigrants.
But he bristled at unfounded claims from Mr. Trump's team and other Republicans, including Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, who called for his resignation. Representative Doug Collins, a Republican who had just lost a challenge against Ms. Loeffler, took over Mr. Trump's efforts in Georgia and accused Mr. Raffensperger's office of setting rules that "seem to be changing as we go." Mr. Raffensperger took to Facebook to push back, calling Mr. Collins a "liar."
The dispute landed before Judge Steven D. Grimberg, who was nominated to the United States District Court by Mr. Trump and was a member of the Federalist Society, which has provided lists of conservatives from which the president has drawn his Supreme Court nominees.
But if the Trump camp believed it would find a sympathetic ear, it was disabused in the opening minutes of the hearing when the youthful judge seemed increasingly perturbed by the answers he received to his pointed questions. The suit "would require halting the certification results in a state election in which millions of people have voted," the judge noted.
The next day, Mr. Raffensperger spurned Mr. Trump and certified Mr. Biden's victory in Georgia. "Numbers don't lie," the secretary of state said. Gov. Brian Kemp, a Trump ally, then certified Georgia's electors for Mr. Biden while twisting himself to say that the decision now "paves the way for the Trump campaign to pursue other legal options."
In Pennsylvania, the legal efforts found no more traction. The week after the election, Mr. Trump and his allies lost seven cases in succession. By the next weekend, they ended up in federal court before Judge Matthew W. Brann, another Federalist Society member and conservative Republican appointed by President Barack Obama at the behest of a Republican senator.
Judge Brann called the Trump team's claim nothing more than "strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations" and refused to delay certification of the election. "In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state," he wrote. Judge Brann's ruling was the one upheld on Friday.
Mark Aronchick, a lawyer who represented the city of Philadelphia in several cases brought by the Trump campaign, said the past three weeks proved that the judicial system would not simply bend to the president's will.
"This period of time, with all the things that the Trump campaign were throwing, I viewed as very much a stress test on what I will shout from the rooftops is the best legal system the world has ever seen, in terms of independence of the judiciary and the rule of law," he said. "And at both the state and federal level, the system has come through with flying colors."
'The Real Cost Was in Voter Confidence'
Nowhere was the pressure more sustained than in Michigan even though Mr. Biden's margin of victory of 154,000 was greater there than in other contested states. At one point, two Republicans on the Wayne County elections board bowed to the president's wishes and refused to certify the results, only to reverse themselves later that night.
Mr. Trump then summoned the Republican leaders of the state legislature, the Senate majority leader, Mike Shirkey, and Speaker Lee Chatfield, to the White House in a bid to get lawmakers to substitute their own slate of electors. The two men, both rumored to be interested in higher office, were hesitant to go, according to people familiar with their thinking, but felt that if a president called, they had no choice.
Mr. Chatfield, 32, a graduate of Liberty University, the Christian school in Virginia founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, had been a vocal supporter of the president, even warming up the crowd at a rally in Muskegon before Mr. Trump arrived a week before the election. Mr. Shirkey, 65, has not been so visible, but had spoken at several rallies protesting coronavirus lockdown orders issued by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, including on the same day the F.B.I. announced that it had foiled a right-wing plot to kidnap her.
But they rebuffed Mr. Trump nonetheless, issuing a statement shortly after leaving the White House affirming that they had seen no evidence that would change the outcome of the election and would let the winner of the popular vote stand.
But the Trump team seized on any routine mistakes or far-fetched allegations to advance the cause. In Rochester Hills, in Oakland County, votes in one precinct were posted in the absentee tally and then also posted in the in-person total without first being removed from the absentee count.
The mistake was quickly caught and rectified before the results became official, but Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, claimed that "we found 2,000 ballots that had been given to Democrats, that were Republican ballots, due to a clerical error."
Ms. Barton, who has served as the Rochester Hills clerk for eight years, learned about Ms. McDaniel's comment from a reporter and promptly took to social media to rebut the "categorically false" assertion. "As a Republican, I am disturbed that this is intentionally being mischaracterized to undermine the election process," Ms. Barton said in a video she posted to Twitter, which was viewed more than 1.2 million times.
Ms. Barton, 49, is another graduate of Liberty University, where she earned a master's degree after graduating from Great Lakes University in Michigan. She posts Bible verses online and has said that "God orders my steps." She served for eight years as the deputy clerk in the Detroit suburb of Bloomfield Township before being appointed to the Rochester Hills post and has earned respect from both Republicans and Democrats.
She was initially reluctant to give Ms. McDaniel's claim any validity by responding but decided she had no choice. "In relaying the truth, I was going to be opening myself up to criticism and if I ever thought about running for office again, that would be impacted," she said. "But the real cost was in voter confidence. I told my deputy that all these things have to be put aside and I have to speak the truth."
Soon she found herself the target of profane and threatening emails and telephone calls, and while she took comfort that she was safe because her husband is a sheriff's deputy, they nonetheless upgraded the security system at home. "It's just devastating to see what the response has been to our profession and how we have come, as a country, to think that violence and threats is the answer," she said.
As an election official, she spent much of the last four years talking with other officials about cyberthreats to American democracy. Never, she said, did she realize that the real threat this year would come from within.
"But now we have to go back and rebuild voter trust and let people realize that our elections are not rigged," she said. "We have to step back and say how do we restore public confidence in a system that is completely torn down."
We found the same factual evidence in Hilary's "cheating" as we did Trump's collusion...none.
If you believe one has more facts than the other, you're clearly watching a biased news source.
The media is here to tear us apart and they obviously did their job.
Tell your kids to exclude the "in" from indivisible when they recite the pledge on Monday. In fact, tell them to take a knee ;)
Quote from: ichi on November 28, 2020, 11:10:12 PM
if you ever present a fact here I'll pay close heed, I love facts
you're wrong about a lot of things, like how I would react, like I'm a member of the left, like there was evidence, but you're unable to recognize this
I'm actually a hardcore 2A guy, I believe in a strong National defense and limited government - I consider myself a Constitutionalist if you must have a label cause I know you like to label people so you'll know whether or not their facts are real
and 'debunked' means that the facts do not support the assertion, it means its been shown to be false, but you need to demonize the nasty libs and find reassurance that facts are what don tells you, no need to question
QuoteThe telephone call would have been laugh-out-loud ridiculous if it had not been so serious. When Tina Barton picked up, she found someone from President Trump's campaign asking her to sign a letter raising doubts about the results of the election.
The election that Ms. Barton as the Republican clerk of the small Michigan city of Rochester Hills had helped oversee. The election that she knew to be fair and accurate because she had helped make it so. The election that she had publicly defended amid threats that made her upgrade her home security system.
"Do you know who you're talking to right now?" she asked the campaign official. Evidently not.
If the president hoped Republicans across the country would fall in line behind his false and farcical claims that the election was somehow rigged on a mammoth scale by a nefarious multinational conspiracy, he was in for a surprise. Republicans in Washington may have indulged Mr. Trump's fantastical assertions, but at the state and local level, Republicans played a critical role in resisting the mounting pressure from their own party to overturn the vote after Mr. Trump fell behind on Nov. 3.
The three weeks that followed tested American democracy and demonstrated that the two-century-old system is far more vulnerable to subversion than many had imagined even though the incumbent president lost by six million votes nationwide. But in the end, the system stood firm against the most intense assault from an aggrieved president in the nation's history because of a Republican city clerk in Michigan, a Republican secretary of state in Georgia, a Republican county supervisor in Arizona and Republican-appointed judges in Pennsylvania and elsewhere.
They refuted conspiracy theories, certified results, dismissed lawsuits and repudiated a president of their own party, leaving him to thunder about a supposed plot that would have had to include people who had voted for him, donated to him or even been appointed by him. The desperate effort to hang onto office over the will of the people effectively ended when his own director of the General Services Administration determined that Joseph R. Biden Jr. is the president-elect and a judge Mr. Trump put on the bench chastised him for ludicrous litigation.
"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy," Judge Stephanos Bibas, appointed by Mr. Trump in 2017, wrote for a three-judge panel of the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia on Friday as it dismissed the latest of dozens of legal claims filed by Mr. Trump and his allies. "Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."
Unfounded as it is, the president's campaign against the results may leave lasting scars. With much of the Republican establishment endorsing or staying silent on Mr. Trump's claims, and polls indicating that tens of millions of Republicans believe the election was somehow rigged, faith in American democracy, the fundamental tenet of the social contract established by the framers, has eroded in a dangerous way. And Mr. Biden, the incoming president, now faces a country where many of his constituents consider him illegitimate.
Those who defied Mr. Trump despite their own partisan backgrounds remain bruised by the experience too, in some cases questioning the political system that they have spent years upholding. They may pay a price if their fellow Republicans see what they did as acts of disloyalty rather than conscience. But those who have spoken out expressed no regrets.
"I've got a pretty thick skin, but it's hard not to feel shook by it all," Ms. Barton reflected the other day. "We take our job so seriously that it's devastating to us to have something like that happen. I cried every day for a week, every time I thought about it. My biggest concern was, we're already living in a time when so many people have so little confidence in the process and to give them more reason not to trust the results was absolutely devastating to me."
'Numbers Don't Lie'
The drama began within hours after the polls closed. The initial leads that Mr. Trump enjoyed in several battleground states began to dwindle as absentee and mail-in votes that favored Mr. Biden were slowly counted and added to the tallies released publicly. Mr. Trump portrayed the numbers as fraudulent and headed to court, filing lawsuits in multiple states.
In Arizona, where Trump allies complained that the use of Sharpie pens invalidated ballots because they bled through, Clint Hickman, the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors and a Republican, sent an open letter with a Democratic colleague saying they were "concerned about the misinformation spreading about the integrity of our elections."
Mark Brnovich, the state's Republican attorney general who is widely expected to run for governor in 2022, announced he would investigate the use of the Sharpies. A day later, he tweeted he was satisfied that the pens did not influence the election in any way.
Passions continued to rise. The Democratic secretary of state received threats to kill her family and pets and burn down her house. Mr. Hickman stepped up again, issuing another letter calling on Republicans to "dial back the rhetoric, rumors and false claims."
Rusty Bowers, the Republican speaker of the state House of Representatives, likewise pushed back against the conspiracies and resisted an "enormous amount of pressure" for lawmakers to choose their own electors to support Mr. Trump. "I took an oath to support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution and laws of the State of Arizona," he said.
In Georgia, Mr. Trump and his allies were blocked by Brad Raffensperger, the Republican secretary of state. A mild-mannered civil engineer, Mr. Raffensperger is a staunch conservative who won his office two years ago with an endorsement from Mr. Trump and a platform of Trumpian goals, including a promise to protect the voting system from illegal immigrants.
But he bristled at unfounded claims from Mr. Trump's team and other Republicans, including Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, who called for his resignation. Representative Doug Collins, a Republican who had just lost a challenge against Ms. Loeffler, took over Mr. Trump's efforts in Georgia and accused Mr. Raffensperger's office of setting rules that "seem to be changing as we go." Mr. Raffensperger took to Facebook to push back, calling Mr. Collins a "liar."
The dispute landed before Judge Steven D. Grimberg, who was nominated to the United States District Court by Mr. Trump and was a member of the Federalist Society, which has provided lists of conservatives from which the president has drawn his Supreme Court nominees.
But if the Trump camp believed it would find a sympathetic ear, it was disabused in the opening minutes of the hearing when the youthful judge seemed increasingly perturbed by the answers he received to his pointed questions. The suit "would require halting the certification results in a state election in which millions of people have voted," the judge noted.
The next day, Mr. Raffensperger spurned Mr. Trump and certified Mr. Biden's victory in Georgia. "Numbers don't lie," the secretary of state said. Gov. Brian Kemp, a Trump ally, then certified Georgia's electors for Mr. Biden while twisting himself to say that the decision now "paves the way for the Trump campaign to pursue other legal options."
In Pennsylvania, the legal efforts found no more traction. The week after the election, Mr. Trump and his allies lost seven cases in succession. By the next weekend, they ended up in federal court before Judge Matthew W. Brann, another Federalist Society member and conservative Republican appointed by President Barack Obama at the behest of a Republican senator.
Judge Brann called the Trump team's claim nothing more than "strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations" and refused to delay certification of the election. "In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state," he wrote. Judge Brann's ruling was the one upheld on Friday.
Mark Aronchick, a lawyer who represented the city of Philadelphia in several cases brought by the Trump campaign, said the past three weeks proved that the judicial system would not simply bend to the president's will.
"This period of time, with all the things that the Trump campaign were throwing, I viewed as very much a stress test on what I will shout from the rooftops is the best legal system the world has ever seen, in terms of independence of the judiciary and the rule of law," he said. "And at both the state and federal level, the system has come through with flying colors."
'The Real Cost Was in Voter Confidence'
Nowhere was the pressure more sustained than in Michigan even though Mr. Biden's margin of victory of 154,000 was greater there than in other contested states. At one point, two Republicans on the Wayne County elections board bowed to the president's wishes and refused to certify the results, only to reverse themselves later that night.
Mr. Trump then summoned the Republican leaders of the state legislature, the Senate majority leader, Mike Shirkey, and Speaker Lee Chatfield, to the White House in a bid to get lawmakers to substitute their own slate of electors. The two men, both rumored to be interested in higher office, were hesitant to go, according to people familiar with their thinking, but felt that if a president called, they had no choice.
Mr. Chatfield, 32, a graduate of Liberty University, the Christian school in Virginia founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, had been a vocal supporter of the president, even warming up the crowd at a rally in Muskegon before Mr. Trump arrived a week before the election. Mr. Shirkey, 65, has not been so visible, but had spoken at several rallies protesting coronavirus lockdown orders issued by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, including on the same day the F.B.I. announced that it had foiled a right-wing plot to kidnap her.
But they rebuffed Mr. Trump nonetheless, issuing a statement shortly after leaving the White House affirming that they had seen no evidence that would change the outcome of the election and would let the winner of the popular vote stand.
But the Trump team seized on any routine mistakes or far-fetched allegations to advance the cause. In Rochester Hills, in Oakland County, votes in one precinct were posted in the absentee tally and then also posted in the in-person total without first being removed from the absentee count.
The mistake was quickly caught and rectified before the results became official, but Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, claimed that "we found 2,000 ballots that had been given to Democrats, that were Republican ballots, due to a clerical error."
Ms. Barton, who has served as the Rochester Hills clerk for eight years, learned about Ms. McDaniel's comment from a reporter and promptly took to social media to rebut the "categorically false" assertion. "As a Republican, I am disturbed that this is intentionally being mischaracterized to undermine the election process," Ms. Barton said in a video she posted to Twitter, which was viewed more than 1.2 million times.
Ms. Barton, 49, is another graduate of Liberty University, where she earned a master's degree after graduating from Great Lakes University in Michigan. She posts Bible verses online and has said that "God orders my steps." She served for eight years as the deputy clerk in the Detroit suburb of Bloomfield Township before being appointed to the Rochester Hills post and has earned respect from both Republicans and Democrats.
She was initially reluctant to give Ms. McDaniel's claim any validity by responding but decided she had no choice. "In relaying the truth, I was going to be opening myself up to criticism and if I ever thought about running for office again, that would be impacted," she said. "But the real cost was in voter confidence. I told my deputy that all these things have to be put aside and I have to speak the truth."
Soon she found herself the target of profane and threatening emails and telephone calls, and while she took comfort that she was safe because her husband is a sheriff's deputy, they nonetheless upgraded the security system at home. "It's just devastating to see what the response has been to our profession and how we have come, as a country, to think that violence and threats is the answer," she said.
As an election official, she spent much of the last four years talking with other officials about cyberthreats to American democracy. Never, she said, did she realize that the real threat this year would come from within.
"But now we have to go back and rebuild voter trust and let people realize that our elections are not rigged," she said. "We have to step back and say how do we restore public confidence in a system that is completely torn down."
Hear Hear, Ichi. I'd be wide open to seeing some actual evidence. Even Trump appointed judges are tossing out cases
So far, the answer to this topic in the state of Arizona is "NO"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-certifies-biden-victory-state-184212316.html
oh wow, Ducey is in on it too! I knew he was really a pinko all along
QuoteArizona officials have certified Joe Biden's narrow victory over President Donald Trump in the state.
Democratic Secretary of State Katie Hobbs and Republican Gov. Doug Ducey defended the integrity of the election even as lawyers for Trump were across town Monday arguing, without evidence, to nine Republican lawmakers that the election was marred by fraud.
Lawsuits and legal action taken by the Trump campaign did not go far in Arizona, in at least one instance, the lawyers dropped a case seeking a recount of Election Day ballots.
At Monday's certification event, Ducey said, "We do elections well here in Arizona. The system is strong."
Biden won Arizona by 0.3% of the nearly 3.4 million ballots cast, a margin of just under 10,500 votes. He's the second Democrat in 70 years to win the state. Arizona's 11 electoral college votes will go to Biden.
The certification also paves the way for Democrat Mark Kelly to take his seat in the U.S. Senate, formalizing his victory in a special election to replace the late John McCain.
Kelly is scheduled to be sworn in on Wednesday in Washington.
https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1333145534765428737
Here is just one piece of evidence of voter fraud. Biden gets 97% of votes in vote dumps made in a 4 hour period after 1am. Not in 1 state, not 2, but 4 states at the same time. If you make excuses and refuse to question this then you do not care about our democracy and simply hate Trump.
Quote from: ichi on November 30, 2020, 01:17:12 PM
oh wow, Ducey is in on it too! I knew he was really a pinko all along
QuoteArizona officials have certified Joe Biden's narrow victory over President Donald Trump in the state.
Democratic Secretary of State Katie Hobbs and Republican Gov. Doug Ducey defended the integrity of the election even as lawyers for Trump were across town Monday arguing, without evidence, to nine Republican lawmakers that the election was marred by fraud.
Lawsuits and legal action taken by the Trump campaign did not go far in Arizona, in at least one instance, the lawyers dropped a case seeking a recount of Election Day ballots.
At Monday's certification event, Ducey said, "We do elections well here in Arizona. The system is strong."
Biden won Arizona by 0.3% of the nearly 3.4 million ballots cast, a margin of just under 10,500 votes. He's the second Democrat in 70 years to win the state. Arizona's 11 electoral college votes will go to Biden.
The certification also paves the way for Democrat Mark Kelly to take his seat in the U.S. Senate, formalizing his victory in a special election to replace the late John McCain.
Kelly is scheduled to be sworn in on Wednesday in Washington.
All Republicans are not the same.
Ducey may not be a pinko, but he is part of the corrupt McCainite Republican
Establishment.
we've covered this before, in those states the (mostly republican) legislatures and guvs prohibited the counting of mail-in ballots prior to Nov 3, and so when those votes were counted, at night, after the in-person votes were counted, they skewed dem because don told you not to mail-in, that they were corrupt, so...
late at night they counted votes from predominantly dem areas which lacked repub votes because they all voted in-person
and you can see that they voted in person because the same report shows an almost identical ration, except in reverse, during the day when almost 90% can in for donny
such a massive complex conspiracy that includes everyone who thinks its bullshit, still no evidence and y'all will tear the country in two because loser can't deal
Quote from: ichi on November 30, 2020, 03:43:48 PM
we've covered this before, in those states the (mostly republican) legislatures and guvs prohibited the counting of mail-in ballots prior to Nov 3, and so when those votes were counted, at night, after the in-person votes were counted, they skewed dem because don told you not to mail-in, that they were corrupt, so...
late at night they counted votes from predominantly dem areas which lacked repub votes because they all voted in-person
and you can see that they voted in person because the same report shows an almost identical ration, except in reverse, during the day when almost 90% can in for donny
such a massive complex conspiracy that includes everyone who thinks its bullshit, still no evidence and y'all will tear the country in two because loser can't deal
Evidence is being presented right now here in Arizona for a couple more hours. Here is a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rri6flxaXww
So, you're really going to sit here with a straight face and tell me that the mail in ballot was 97% for Biden in 4 states?? The probability of that happening is statistically impossible.
You asked for proof of fraud and it was presented to you. Biden could come out and say that he is going to commit fraud and you would ignore that. Oh wait, he did say that! Imagine if trump said he was putting together the biggest organization of fraud. It would be on every news channel.
Open up your mind. Stop listening to the mainstream media. Think for yourself.
everything that says is wrong
this is the Arizona State Legislature, this is a news conference attended by some legislators
this is not public hearing, this is a news conference
this is not evidence, these are allegations that have been made and debunked, dismissed and denounced as farce
making fools of themselves and us all
Do you believe everything you hear or read in the news??
Quote from: GoCatZ on November 30, 2020, 04:14:52 PM
So, you're really going to sit here with a straight face and tell me that the mail in ballot was 97% for Biden in 4 states?? The probability of that happening is statistically impossible.
You asked for proof of fraud and it was presented to you. Biden could come out and say that he is going to commit fraud and you would ignore that. Oh wait, he did say that! Imagine if trump said he was putting together the biggest organization of fraud. It would be on every news channel.
Open up your mind. Stop listening to the mainstream media. Think for yourself.
reading comprehension for the win Biden got high percentages of SOME of the mail in dumps while don got nearly the same high percentages of earlier dumps, look at the graph the rates are identical but reversed
there is no evidence of fraud, just a misunderstanding of how the ballots were counted
and no, Biden was announcing an organization to combat electoral fraud, for fucks sake do you really think if he was in charge of the largest most complex vote-rigging operation in the world he'd come out on video?
I've been thinking independently since the 60s, to hear someone who is drunk on propaganda tell me to think independently is hilarious, the irony would be exquisite except for how dangerous it is to our great nation
Quote from: ichi on November 30, 2020, 04:16:13 PM
everything that says is wrong
this is the Arizona State Legislature, this is a news conference attended by some legislators
this is not public hearing, this is a news conference
this is not evidence, these are allegations that have been made and debunked, dismissed and denounced as farce
making fools of themselves and us all
All these people have submitted sworn affidavits.
Quote from: GoCatZ on November 30, 2020, 04:19:09 PM
Do you believe everything you hear or read in the news??
go look in the mirror, then ask yourself who is the one promoting wild ass conspiracy theories thrown out by republican judges
Quote from: Bkatt on November 30, 2020, 04:22:39 PM
All these people have submitted sworn affidavits.
all of the cases that Rudy has presented have been thrown out and ridiculed, how much failure will it take for you to see these people are manipulating you
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LMAO
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that data point has been explained as a dump of votes from a heavily dem area where repubs listened to don and voted in-person, there is also an uptick for don at that time
its not evidence, its a data point, take it to court and get laughed at
Quote from: ichi on November 30, 2020, 04:45:42 PM
that data point has been explained as a dump of votes from a heavily dem area where repubs listened to don and voted in-person, there is also an uptick for don at that time
its not evidence, its a data point, take it to court and get laughed at
If you say so Mr. Magoo
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Quote from: Bkatt on November 30, 2020, 04:22:39 PM
Quote from: ichi on November 30, 2020, 04:16:13 PM
everything that says is wrong
this is the Arizona State Legislature, this is a news conference attended by some legislators
this is not public hearing, this is a news conference
this is not evidence, these are allegations that have been made and debunked, dismissed and denounced as farce
making fools of themselves and us all
All these people have submitted sworn affidavits.
Yes, and can be held and charged if they are lying. Not one so called witness ever signed that type of affidavit in anything Trump was ever charged with. Telling isn't it? over 2500 witnesses willing to sign those type of documents yet there is no evidence?
We listened for years about the Trump corruption without ANY proof and we cannot take time to look into this with so many irregularities and witnesses? Yet we are brain washed? We get called names and such? It isn't the Trump supporters burning the liberal cities or Rioting and Luting. Yet, we are the bad guys?
The Wisconsin Graph shows a clear problem and is magnified when you add the fact that that dump was done after the counting had been stopped for the night. Anyone denying fraud or cheating is either ignorant or lying to themselves, or part of the corruption them selves. Over throwing the election is over throwing 1.) the voice of the people. & 2.) the government it self. We all need to verify the legitimacy of this election period before we move forward. That should be what every American should want. A clear picture of what happened. Punishment for those who were involved. Steps taken to ensure this never happens again. I cannot imagine anyone who loves America would object to that? Yet we have some who are willing to fight to the death to cover up the corruption!
There should be NOBODY attacking anyone on this site! After watching the hearings this morning I am more concerned with this than I was before. I stayed off the site for a couple days now to not incite anyone, but I do not believe we will ever repair this nation while one side is always attacking the other and demanding total control. A marriage cannot work that way. A family cannot work that way. Our communities cannot work that way. This nation cannot work that way. America is on the brink because of pride and power hungry politicians. Both parties! The two party system has divided us because we have believed what one side or the other has spoken without questioning anything. Many here think I am a dye hard Republican. I am not! I have have never thought of either party as worthy of my blind support. Even the Tea Party did not do anything for me. I question nearly every republican in office right now. I have almost NO respect for any democrat in office right now. The best they had on the ballot was Gabbard and they tossed her out?
Look, everyone here has the right to their own opinion. Respect that PLEASE!
Quote from: GoCatZ on November 30, 2020, 04:30:17 PM
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LMAO
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Mail in ballots coming in at 97% of 143K total ballots for one of the 2 main candidates is not possible especially IN FOUR DIFFERENT STATES!!!
Can you for one second just entertain the idea that this could've been fraudulent activity?
Quote from: Bkatt on November 30, 2020, 04:49:47 PM
If you say so Mr. Magoo
when you have facts pound the facts, when you have the law pound the law, when you have neither pound the table
I must be blind since I disagree with you?
again, present the evidence or GTFO
Quote from: ichi on November 30, 2020, 05:06:30 PM
Quote from: Bkatt on November 30, 2020, 04:49:47 PM
If you say so Mr. Magoo
when you have facts pound the facts, when you have the law pound the law, when you have neither pound the table
I must be blind since I disagree with you?
again, present the evidence or GTFO
The evidence is being presented now and more evidence will be presented in the upcoming days...
Quote from: GoCatZ on November 30, 2020, 04:57:33 PM
Mail in ballots coming in at 97% of 143K total ballots for one of the 2 main candidates is not possible especially IN FOUR DIFFERENT STATES!!!
Can you for one second just entertain the idea that this could've been fraudulent activity?
I have, its too important not to consider and evaluate
it did not happen, don cannot face the reality that he failed to unite the country behind him, and so he lashes out blindly, impotently, against the greatest democratic system in the world
and you lap it up
he wants to retain control over the GOP and over you so you will continue to help make the hurt of losing go away, unfortunately his ambition, greed, and lack of respect for our country's institutions can never be satisfied
present the evidence or GTFO
Maybe you're right and the mail in ballots just happened to be almost all for Biden, but it's more likely than not that there's something fishy going on. LG is right we are entitled to our opinions.
I'm basing mine on mathematical possibilities. This is not possible.
Funny thing is if you google anything about election fraud your bombarded with fact checking and debunking. That's not weird or bias right? It's down right scary if you ask me.
Quote from: ichi on November 30, 2020, 05:11:39 PM
Quote from: GoCatZ on November 30, 2020, 04:57:33 PM
Mail in ballots coming in at 97% of 143K total ballots for one of the 2 main candidates is not possible especially IN FOUR DIFFERENT STATES!!!
Can you for one second just entertain the idea that this could've been fraudulent activity?
I have, its too important not to consider and evaluate
it did not happen, don cannot face the reality that he failed to unite the country behind him, and so he lashes out blindly, impotently, against the greatest democratic system in the world
and you lap it up
he wants to retain control over the GOP and over you so you will continue to help make the hurt of losing go away, unfortunately his ambition, greed, and lack of respect for our country's institutions can never be satisfied
present the evidence or GTFO
When you say it did not happen can you show me how you came to that conclusion after evaluating?
I paid attention, before the election I knew about mail-in ballots, historic voting patterns, polls, don's line about how everything is rigged
then I watched the election unfold as I had expected, when I went to bed I knew it would be much closer when I awoke
I watched as responsible American officials of both parties explained the process and results
I watched as don acted exactly as predicted, holed up and spitting lawyers at everyone
I watched as court after court dismissed ever-more-wild claims
I watched as each affadavit was explained away, most were ridiculous and showed a basic lack of understanding of the system, others were just batshit crazy
I watched as good people of both parties, across the Nation, stood up for the right thing at the cost of their political careers, and death threats for doing their job
I watched as the propaganda machine fired up, spreading lies and rumors and conspiracy theories that make no sense
For a many years on my job I was routinely faced with a choice - do I send these guys to the front or to staging, and I learned to be a quick judge of character.
So, to answer your question, I paid attention and used my brain, no different than anybody
Quote from: ichi on November 30, 2020, 05:11:39 PM
Quote from: GoCatZ on November 30, 2020, 04:57:33 PM
Mail in ballots coming in at 97% of 143K total ballots for one of the 2 main candidates is not possible especially IN FOUR DIFFERENT STATES!!!
Can you for one second just entertain the idea that this could've been fraudulent activity?
I have, its too important not to consider and evaluate
it did not happen, don cannot face the reality that he failed to unite the country behind him, and so he lashes out blindly, impotently, against the greatest democratic system in the world
and you lap it up
he wants to retain control over the GOP and over you so you will continue to help make the hurt of losing go away, unfortunately his ambition, greed, and lack of respect for our country's institutions can never be satisfied
present the evidence or GTFO
The GOP is all but dead. Evidence is in the form of Affidavits. And the courts have not even looked at most of the stuff presented because the judges that threw stuff out were Dem appointed judges that do not honor the process of the law as dictated by the Constitution. Like the retard judge that refused to release the Flynn case. I am not sure what you have looked at for sure, but it is NOT what most of America was watching during the Penn and AZ hearings. Very similar stuff in Michigan tomorrow. The certification today will not stand as the law was not followed. We need to truly evaluate the counts and eliminate any illegal ballots. It all well be too much corruption to even fix and therefore the certification will not stand and the legislature would then decide how the state of Arizona falls. Similar situation in Penn and MI. Wisconsin also has problems and will be following. Georgia is has some really bad situations arising and look for that state to also turn to the legislators to decide. Nevada is another story. Bad story!
The big thing I want to point out here is that NONE of your debunked stuff you are spouting is true. When it is clearly not valid, I think most Americans will accept it and move on. That is what conservative people typically do. Like I said earlier, it is not Trump followers or conservatives burning, rioting, looting, and killing. Your position you are standing on is purely one sided with out a clue of what the other side is representing. The "My way or the highway" approach is old. If you do have a clue then your situation in your speech here is corruptly twisted. Your opinion is valued as is everyone's, but please consider that your opinion may be in the majority, or in the minority here. Most conservative choose not to engage because they respect other peoples opinions and do not want to be a part of the conflict so they say nothing at all. Why many will get off line immediately when politics come up in the Shout Box. Please continue to post your thoughts, but remember that others do not always agree with you and we are trying to be respectful of you. Please return the respect.
QuoteAnd the courts have not even looked at most of the stuff presented because the judges that threw stuff out were Dem appointed judges that do not honor the process of the law as dictated by the Constitution.
this is simply not true
that's as respectful as I can be
If/when statistics and evidence from independently operated websites are proven to be accurate, they will absolutely be used in court.
Until then, keep taking the click bait.
More evidence presented. This time now in Michigan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0-vyw9qbdw
Quote from: Bkatt on December 01, 2020, 09:03:26 AM
More evidence presented. This time now in Michigan:
So far - nothing but a regurgitation of what Trump is claiming. It's over
Not even William Barr is onboard with election fraud...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/william-barr-doj-fbi-voter-fraud-2020-election (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/william-barr-doj-fbi-voter-fraud-2020-election)
Quote from: FOOS on December 01, 2020, 01:38:50 PM
Not even William Barr is onboard with election fraud...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/william-barr-doj-fbi-voter-fraud-2020-election (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/william-barr-doj-fbi-voter-fraud-2020-election)
He is afraid of Biden.
Quote from: Bkatt on December 01, 2020, 01:51:29 PM
Quote from: FOOS on December 01, 2020, 01:38:50 PM
Not even William Barr is onboard with election fraud...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/william-barr-doj-fbi-voter-fraud-2020-election (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/william-barr-doj-fbi-voter-fraud-2020-election)
He is afraid of Biden.
Is that possible ! LOL. Well played
More evidence:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1334351957113311233
Nearly every criminal denies wrong doing even when the knife is still in their hands.
Remember when it is against Trump, hear say in the bar is good enough to open a special council, but if a swamp creature commits treason, murder, or anything really serious it is a conspiracy theory. LOL
Does anybody notice that the legit media outlets (including Fox News) don't have "proof"? It's only second-hand websites that were populated by those who don't have a regular weekday job.
Earlier today there was a hearing in Georgia. Right now (12/3) there is a hearing in Nevada:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-44TVFRk6U
Quote from: KansasCityCats on December 03, 2020, 02:13:50 PM
Does anybody notice that the legit media outlets (including Fox News) don't have "proof"? It's only second-hand websites that were populated by those who don't have a regular weekday job.
I would actually listen to the hearings going on, than listen to any News source to tell you how to think.
The Hodgetwins knows what up in Georgia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foH6RVIjXAs
Look, no matter how this turns out, there IS evidence of corruption period! Quit denying it.
Second, no matter who is President, I do not believe 2021 will be better than 2020. I believe it will be less worse with Trump and far worse with Biden, but mute point. The issue is that 2021 may very well make 2020 look not so bad.
That video reminds me of mystery science theatre 3000: a couple guys trying to add humor while misinterpreting a video.
LG, I couldn't imagine a calendar year that is worse than 2020. I can appreciate the pessimism though because I think that both candidates are completely wrong for our country.
Comments like these from a Trump Campaign witness made at a hearing in the Michigan State House make any claim of voter fraud less credible. If you are trying to prove voter fraud maybe you should leave your racist beliefs at home.
'I think all Chinese look alike. How can you tell? If some Chow shows up, you can be anybody and you can vote.'
Quote from: KansasCityCats on December 04, 2020, 04:25:22 AM
That video reminds me of mystery science theatre 3000: a couple guys trying to add humor while misinterpreting a video.
LG, I couldn't imagine a calendar year that is worse than 2020. I can appreciate the pessimism though because I think that both candidates are completely wrong for our country.
Yesterday, I posted a rather dry but informative court hearing in Nevada. I thought I would switch it up, by posting something less dry (the Hodgetwins.) Nevertheless, the shenanigans did happen Georgia. This information was presented at a hearing in Georgia yesterday.
Saw some of the NV stuff. Our system is so jacked up...and we let it happen by electing unethical officials.
Similar to the NCAA...the US dug themselves into one hell of a hole.
this is about as clear as mud
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-us-judges-choose-the-constitution-over-trump-as-electionfraud-cases-keep-failing-211255403.html
It's gonna be a long ride to the Supreme Court if Trump thinks he'll ever make it that far.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/mitch-mc-connell-acknowledges-biden-as-presidentelect-154907672.html
Bump. Time is running out and Trump is still crying. He claims that he must have won because he earned more votes than the 2016 election (an election where he ALSO lost the popular vote by a wide margin).
I can't wait to see the day that he organizes a "sit in" and refuses to leave the White House next month. Rumor is that he plans to hold a rally on Inauguration Day; perhaps it will include a plethora of white sheets!
Ha on the white sheets.
It ain't over
Even Mitch says it's over. It's over....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-turns-mcconnell-calling-biden-122132172.html
I'm DYING. Trump's justification for winning is that "he has more votes than any other sitting president in history". The other guy had 7MM+ more votes than him. Did you win the swim meet if you broke Michael Phelps' prior record...but finished 1.5 seconds behind Lochte?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-and-newsmax-facing-lawsuits-walk-back-wild-fraud-claims-about-votingmachine-companies-215728233.html
The stories are more hysterical by the day. Now FOX is retracting their claims towards the voting machines that were only used in California...a state that wasn't going to vote for Trump anyway.
I can't wait to see how this situation plays out on Inauguration Day.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/georgia-election-trump-conspiracy-theories-voter-fraud-gabriel-sterling-215211604.html
I love the last quote in this article: "Now everyone can listen to the whole one hour eight minute call with the president. But at the end of the day, what he said was not factually correct. And I want to make sure that people understand the facts," Raffensperger said, adding, "You can't keep on taking shots from people and people keep putting out stuff that's not true. And we're going to respond. We're going to respond forcefully, sometimes with the facts that people can't handle the facts, I'm sorry, but those are the facts."
Trump is like Dukie V. He keeps pushing misinformation...and the public was somehow buying it. Fortunately, this will all come to an end soon. Then...we can close our eyes and hope that somebody better comes along in 4 years.
Been meddling going on for decades. It has gotten so bad that some people do not even hide it anymore. Anyone who thinks Joe Biden legit got the highest amount of votes in American history without fraud or deception of some kind has something serious to think about within themselves. Not condemning others here, or claiming Trump to be a saint.
There is a Constitutional order of things and there are laws. Those laws have NOT been followed! Now we will try to follow the Constitutional order of things to get it resolved. Evidence has been presented and the courts have refused to hear it. Not that is has ben thrown out on merit, but because the courts refused to hear it. I want to hear it my self. IF Biden won fair and square then so be it. IF not then those committing violations of election law need to be prosecuted. That includes ALL party lines. It is sad when politicians get rich off of the American people and then cover it up so easily. Not limited to one party or the other, but how is it congressmen who have been "supposedly" serving the people their whole careers are filthy rich off of congressmen's pay? Makes you wonder right? Money kick backs from foreign aid given like to Ukraine, and other nations buying info from our representatives? Like China paying millions to the Biden family? They are NOT the first, as there are many, just the ones in the spot light right now.
We all know there's meddling on both sides.
Fortunately, it's easy to explain the increase in votes. US population has increased by approximately 2,000,000 per year since 1900. The average amount of citizens that participate in the presidential "popular vote" increases by approximately 500,000 per year since 1900. Therefore...it should be pretty easy for a candidate to receive a "record" number of votes, when (at least) 2,000,000 more Americans register to vote over a 4 year span.
Don't tell that to Trump, though. He already "won" because he earned more votes in this election than in 2016. Simple math isn't simple for those who utilize former Mayors to crunch their numbers.
This would be easy to explain except in a few areas.
One is in several Pennsylvania counties where the were recorded more votes cast than voters that voted. Even the Pennsyvania legislature admits this.
Wisconsin is proposing to change their legislatures to vote for Trump because of problems withing their own state.
Georgia has many issues including some that relates to the Pennsylvania issues , but they have allowed people to register to vote without actual Georgia addresses. That would explain more votes than voters? Still other issues as well.
Michigan has similar issues, but they are in denial even when they cannot explain their own numbers.
Dominion systems. When they break down county reporting there are negatives taken from Trump many times over in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Michigan. Michigan proved that one county switched 6000 votes from Trump to Biden. In an elections there can NEVER be a negative! Once there is a vote that vote cannot be taken away. It occurred many times over in 7 counties reporting in Pennsylvania. It accounts for 400k votes for Trump being removed. Georgia has the same happening in multiple counties. That alone should bring everyone to question the election all the way down the ballot. Democrats like Elizabeth Warren brought this up in early 2019 immediately following the mid-term elections. I do not care what party, we need to find it out and fix the issues. I do not trust either party at this point. There are issues in Arizona as well and those will come out.
Why are the Georgia Governor and Sec of State who are Republicans, trying to claim everything was on the up and up? Well, when Georgia spent 110 to 120 mil on dominion voting systems, the governor was given 1.8 mil in cash from dominion. Then later given 1.2 million in dominion stocks . That is 3 million. It is unreported how much the Sec of State received but it has been brought up. Can you say sold? To whoever's pays money.
Both parties are corrupt and we need this all fixed.
Stop with the fucking stupid ass conspiracy theories. All of the allegations you are raising have been debunked and demonstrated to be false.
Please stick to sports so we can have civil conversations instead of being a tool for a megalomaniac fascist racist soon to be former president. This shit is an embarrassment to all UA fans on this site.
Ps, I lived through the Florida recount when the election truly was stolen with an assist from Scalia and the Supremes. I got over it. Life goes on. Get over it dude, the election was last year. It's over. Move on.
LOL