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Arizona overcomes hot shooting Huskies 75-72 in comeback win
Where would the Arizona Wildcats be if Jemarl Baker Jr. hadn't been granted immediate eligibility?
One thing is for sure: he wouldn't have been the reason they won their first road game of the 2019-20 season.
Baker's 3-pointer with 42.6 seconds left put Arizona up for good in a 75-72 win at the Washington Huskies on Thursday night in Seattle.
The victory snaps a five-game road skid for the Wildcats (14-6, 4-3 Pac-12) and gives them a chance for their first road sweep since last January when they play at Washington State on Saturday night.
Baker, a transfer from Kentucky, scored 14 of his career-high 17 points in...
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Arizona needed this to stay in the hunt for the Pac-12, but more importantly to build confidence that they can win on the road, can win in close games, and can get those 50-50 balls.
WSU will be a tougher test. Hope this game serves them well against the Cougars.
Even though a lot of people will say that Washington choked in the final minute, the Cats did a lot of things well in order to win. 10 turnovers, great rebounding and I think the biggest thing was limiting fouls. To be able to foul at the end there to stop the play was big.
We played a pretty good game but it usually comes down to crunch time where our seniors struggle making shots, free throws, and smart plays. Hopefully they figure it out soon. Luckily Washington choked sooooo bad at the end and took sooooo many bad shots and made soooo many bad plays it was impossible for us to loose.
The end of this game wasn't about who played the best but about who made the least mistakes. Baker saved us.
Happy for the win, but there are still so many issues with this team (Yes, you can be happy and still be critical).
1. Millers love for Gettings will be this years downfall.
2. Defense is disorganized
3. Zero pressure on 3 point shooters (and teams know it)
4. Late game tightness/ afraid to take a shot (thank goodness for Baker last night)
5. Taking too many 3's 5 feet behind the arc, which we rarely make (if we take a good 3, it usually goes in)
6. Not enough penetration
7. Stone defending out on the perimeter and positioning/running offense through him (cant have one of our worst players handling the ball the most)
8. Miller needs to coach more and yell/teach less on the bench (draw up plays and counter what the other coach is doing during time-stoppages (teaching is for practice).
9. Execution after timeouts
Quote from: Naterade on January 31, 2020, 08:18:42 AM
Even though a lot of people will say that Washington choked in the final minute, the Cats did a lot of things well in order to win. 10 turnovers, great rebounding and I think the biggest thing was limiting fouls. To be able to foul at the end there to stop the play was big.
"a lot of people will say Washington choked"? There is no arguing the fact they DID choke; and so did Arizona as they tried to give the game away.
The score was 72-70 after UW made a 3 at the 1:45 mark. Here are UW's following possessions (and Arizona's):
UW foul / (Ira 1-2 FT) / missed 3 / (Baker made 3) / missed 3 / foul (Smith 1-2 FT) / turnover / foul / (Smith 0-1 FT) / missed 3
Quote from: PacSouthwest on January 31, 2020, 09:59:16 AM
Happy for the win, but there are still so many issues with this team (Yes, you can be happy and still be critical).
1. Millers love for Gettings will be this years downfall.
2. Defense is disorganized
3. Zero pressure on 3 point shooters (and teams know it)
4. Late game tightness/ afraid to take a shot (thank goodness for Baker last night)
5. Taking too many 3's 5 feet behind the arc, which we rarely make (if we take a good 3, it usually goes in)
6. Not enough penetration
7. Stone defending out on the perimeter and positioning/running offense through him (cant have one of our worst players handling the ball the most)
8. Miller needs to coach more and yell/teach less on the bench (draw up plays and counter what the other coach is doing during time-stoppages (teaching is for practice).
9. Execution after timeouts
I was at the game last night and almost none of the things on your list happened (at least last night).
1. Millers love for Gettings will be this years downfall.
Gettings was incredibly valuable last night at exploiting the zone at the high post and making shot after shot from the elbow. Zeke couldn't hit any of those shots last night. Gettings has flaws, but also provides value with spacing and also attacking the zone2. Defense is disorganized.
Defense is plenty organized and has shown signs of being very good. Last night our defense was excellent - especially in the post. Defense however is a function of effort and this team doesn't consistently put in that effort.3. Zero pressure on 3 point shooters (and teams know it)
Every defense has a weakness. The pack line defense is weaker against the 3. Sometimes the team needs more effort on closeouts, but it is really more a function of the type of defense. Last night the Huskies (who are not a good 3 point shooting team) just were really hot and hit their outside shots and you have to live with that when that happens - or switch to another defense. However, most zones are also weak against the 3...4. Late game tightness/ afraid to take a shot (thank goodness for Baker last night).
Other than Gettings and Smith missing some late free throws, the team did not play tight and was not afraid to take a shot in the last. In fact, we played far better in the last 5 minutes of the game (unlike the ASU game).5. Taking too many 3's 5 feet behind the arc, which we rarely make (if we take a good 3, it usually goes in).
Mannion and Smith are sometimes guilty of this. I am ok with Mannion doing it on occasion as it helps open up his game if the defender has to extend further. Smith should never do it. 6. Not enough penetration.
Washington's defense is built to prevent penetration and it did last night. Josh Green had a subpar game as lanes to penetrate were not there at all and he is not much of a set shooter. I haven't seen this as being a major problem of this team this year (there are a few personnel groups that are not strong penetrators).7. Stone defending out on the perimeter and positioning/running offense through him (cant have one of our worst players handling the ball the most)
The post players defense was great last night. The post defense down low on Stewart was great. The hedging by the bigs including Stone was incredibly disruptive to UW and directly resulted in a number of turnovers and they also did a ton of double teaming and having the guards dig down on the UW post player. Stone was good last night. Yes he is a little bit slow and clumsy at times, but the positives far outweigh the negatives.8. Miller needs to coach more and yell/teach less on the bench (draw up plays and counter what the other coach is doing during time-stoppages (teaching is for practice).
see #99. Execution after timeouts
Miller did a good job with timeouts last night and the Cats executed well out of those timeouts. He did a really good job managing player rotations, especially in the first half with all the foul trouble.
Quote from: PacSouthwest on January 31, 2020, 09:59:16 AM
Happy for the win, but there are still so many issues with this team (Yes, you can be happy and still be critical).
1. Millers love for Gettings will be this years downfall.
2. Defense is disorganized
3. Zero pressure on 3 point shooters (and teams know it)
4. Late game tightness/ afraid to take a shot (thank goodness for Baker last night)
5. Taking too many 3's 5 feet behind the arc, which we rarely make (if we take a good 3, it usually goes in)
6. Not enough penetration
7. Stone defending out on the perimeter and positioning/running offense through him (cant have one of our worst players handling the ball the most)
8. Miller needs to coach more and yell/teach less on the bench (draw up plays and counter what the other coach is doing during time-stoppages (teaching is for practice).
9. Execution after timeouts
The three point shot is the toughest play to guard nowadays, Yes Washington had some open threes last night, but they hit a lot of threes with a defenders hand right in their face. I agree that Miller loves him some Stone Gettings, and Gettings came to play last night. Despite his missed free throws and a turnover late, he hit a lot of shots and came up with some 50/50 balls that were crucial. He also played great defense on the perimeter late in the game. As far as Miller's coaching, he killed it last night. Basketball isn't a game where the coach can constantly draw up sneaky, crafty plays to beat the other team, I'm not sure why everybody seems to think the games come down to coaching on the fly and making all kinds of adjustments. It comes down to playing tough, smart defense, regardless of what the other team does, and moving the ball and taking good shots. Period. The Cats did that last night. 2 turnovers in the second half, 4 fouls until the last 30 seconds. They rebounded well. And they took some serious blows and got back in the game. A win is a win. Period.
it always takes two to dance, and its true that Washington lost this game on some bad shots and turnovers late
but it's also true that the 'Cats were in it, unlike some earlier road losses they hung in there so that a few good shots would win it
there was that 5 minute war early in the second half where we missed 4-5 solid shots, no one could be criticized for taking any one of them, while the mutts were dropping every 3, in the previous road losses we never recovered from those game segments where we went cold while the other team had their best shooting night of this season
that shows some development, we came close in Oregon but this time we held on
the most interesting thing to me was the reality that if we had lost last night's game (or if we lose against wazzou) the chorus of doubters would have been pretty loud
but just because we won last night doesn't mean Miller is a great coach, this is just as true as if we had lost, would not mean CSM is a failure and needs replacing
Bear Down, beat the Cougs!
I am excited for Arizona to win on the road I hope it leads to confidence moving forward not a perfect game but a win an Arizona. survived washington hot shooting from deep I hope josh green can get out of this shooting funk he is in an zeke had rear off night it helps when Arizonas bench scores 25 points.
Quote from: zoescout on January 31, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: PacSouthwest on January 31, 2020, 09:59:16 AM
Happy for the win, but there are still so many issues with this team (Yes, you can be happy and still be critical).
1. Millers love for Gettings will be this years downfall.
2. Defense is disorganized
3. Zero pressure on 3 point shooters (and teams know it)
4. Late game tightness/ afraid to take a shot (thank goodness for Baker last night)
5. Taking too many 3's 5 feet behind the arc, which we rarely make (if we take a good 3, it usually goes in)
6. Not enough penetration
7. Stone defending out on the perimeter and positioning/running offense through him (cant have one of our worst players handling the ball the most)
8. Miller needs to coach more and yell/teach less on the bench (draw up plays and counter what the other coach is doing during time-stoppages (teaching is for practice).
9. Execution after timeouts
I was at the game last night and almost none of the things on your list happened (at least last night).
1. Millers love for Gettings will be this years downfall. Gettings was incredibly valuable last night at exploiting the zone at the high post and making shot after shot from the elbow. Zeke couldn't hit any of those shots last night. Gettings has flaws, but also provides value with spacing and also attacking the zone
2. Defense is disorganized. Defense is plenty organized and has shown signs of being very good. Last night our defense was excellent - especially in the post. Defense however is a function of effort and this team doesn't consistently put in that effort.
3. Zero pressure on 3 point shooters (and teams know it)Every defense has a weakness. The pack line defense is weaker against the 3. Sometimes the team needs more effort on closeouts, but it is really more a function of the type of defense. Last night the Huskies (who are not a good 3 point shooting team) just were really hot and hit their outside shots and you have to live with that when that happens - or switch to another defense. However, most zones are also weak against the 3...
4. Late game tightness/ afraid to take a shot (thank goodness for Baker last night). Other than Gettings and Smith missing some late free throws, the team did not play tight and was not afraid to take a shot in the last. In fact, we played far better in the last 5 minutes of the game (unlike the ASU game).
5. Taking too many 3's 5 feet behind the arc, which we rarely make (if we take a good 3, it usually goes in). Mannion and Smith are sometimes guilty of this. I am ok with Mannion doing it on occasion as it helps open up his game if the defender has to extend further. Smith should never do it.
6. Not enough penetration. Washington's defense is built to prevent penetration and it did last night. Josh Green had a subpar game as lanes to penetrate were not there at all and he is not much of a set shooter. I haven't seen this as being a major problem of this team this year (there are a few personnel groups that are not strong penetrators).
7. Stone defending out on the perimeter and positioning/running offense through him (cant have one of our worst players handling the ball the most)The post players defense was great last night. The post defense down low on Stewart was great. The hedging by the bigs including Stone was incredibly disruptive to UW and directly resulted in a number of turnovers and they also did a ton of double teaming and having the guards dig down on the UW post player. Stone was good last night. Yes he is a little bit slow and clumsy at times, but the positives far outweigh the negatives.
8. Miller needs to coach more and yell/teach less on the bench (draw up plays and counter what the other coach is doing during time-stoppages (teaching is for practice).see #9
9. Execution after timeoutsMiller did a good job with timeouts last night and the Cats executed well out of those timeouts. He did a really good job managing player rotations, especially in the first half with all the foul trouble.
Very solid and concise rebuttal. There is so much overreaction and so much bitterness whenever the team stumbles.
Huge win for this team. I
reject anyone who diminishes this marquee win. The myth of this team not being able to win a close game or not being able to win on the road is so easily debunked that it makes all the critics efforts look embarrassing for the amount of time and energy they waste on being rude to the program in the name of being upset at a loss which might hurt in the moment, but is not worth the nuclear meltdowns.
Some people say "its just one win guys, chill", but also say coaches need to be fired, players have to be banished for 1 loss. Extremely hypocritical and only said when it fits their narratives. I'm super impressed tonight all around including the stifling of Isaiah Stewart on D. Incredible game plan by Miller.
This easily emulated what a Round of 32 1v8 or 1v5 Sweet 16 could look like vs a non conference team with 1-3 star players on it. This win was the beginning of something special.
Miller the right calls again and this time the team hit the shots. It's just that simple. He almost always leads this team to water, but whether they drink or not is not up to CSM. Players win and lose the games on their execution and shot making (make or miss league)... unless a coach literally gets enough technical fouls to fuck it up which almost never happens.
The difference in UW "choking" and Arizona winning is that our freshmen finished the game strong...their big-time players were smothered by our defense...which was really good.
As Zoe mentioned, Gettings played a big role by exploiting the zone and hitting the jumpers from the top of the key. Miller deserves a ton of credit for putting him in the game with 4 fouls and 9 minutes left to play. The game-plan was to put a nice mid-range shooter in...because Zeke and our other bigs were struggling from that part of the court.
Dylan couldn't shoot after the 1st bucket of the game, but he handled the ball better than any game that I could remember. 5 assists compensates for a few of the mistakes...but he still needs to hit more shots from inside the arc.
Ira was huge on the glass and on defense. Without him, there's no way UW gets into foul trouble and loses this game.
Green also had poor stat lines, yet his defense and ball movement kept the Huskies on their toes. I was happy with his efforts and his offense will pick up soon.
Although Wazzu won 4 games in the Pac, they looked sloppy in Wednesday's victory. Injury is the only thing that prevents us from sweeping on the road this weekend. BTFD!
Quote from: zoescout on January 31, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: PacSouthwest on January 31, 2020, 09:59:16 AM
I was at the game last night and almost none of the things on your list happened (at least last night).
1. Millers love for Gettings will be this years downfall. Gettings was incredibly valuable last night at exploiting the zone at the high post and making shot after shot from the elbow. Zeke couldn't hit any of those shots last night. Gettings has flaws, but also provides value with spacing and also attacking the zone
You don't know the game as well as you think then; and being at the game does not enhance your knowledge. People like you just concentrate on offense and whether the ball goes in the basket.
Gettings: Cool he made a couple mid-range shots. But he places zero pressure on the defense because they are not concerned with him around the basket. When you know what the opponent is going to do, it is that much easier to guard them. Also, his value spacing the court is setting up behind the arc. Do you know how many shots he had behind the arc? He was 0-1 and he is making 0.5 3PT/GM.
These are his stats (team rank):
OFF.RTG (10th) and DEF.RTG (9th)
FGM/G: 2.1
3PTA/G: 1.2
3PTM/G: 0.5
FTM/G: 1.1
AS/G: 0.8
TO/G: 1.3 (Worst on team)
OREB/G: 0.9
DREB/G: 1.9
ST/G: 0.6
BL/G: 0.7
...and you think the decision to put him in a spot that gets that many touches is not problematic?
Arx: you have already proven you have zero credibility.
Too many of you yahoo's speak in hyperbole, rather than logic or facts.
You are speaking on outliers and using numbers to lie to fit your narrative and I'm actually starting to think you are just an ASU troll hanging out on a UofA forum.
Quote from: zoescout on January 31, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: PacSouthwest on January 31, 2020, 09:59:16 AM
Happy for the win, but there are still so many issues with this team (Yes, you can be happy and still be critical).
1. Millers love for Gettings will be this years downfall.
2. Defense is disorganized
3. Zero pressure on 3 point shooters (and teams know it)
4. Late game tightness/ afraid to take a shot (thank goodness for Baker last night)
5. Taking too many 3's 5 feet behind the arc, which we rarely make (if we take a good 3, it usually goes in)
6. Not enough penetration
7. Stone defending out on the perimeter and positioning/running offense through him (cant have one of our worst players handling the ball the most)
8. Miller needs to coach more and yell/teach less on the bench (draw up plays and counter what the other coach is doing during time-stoppages (teaching is for practice).
9. Execution after timeouts
I was at the game last night and almost none of the things on your list happened (at least last night).
1. Millers love for Gettings will be this years downfall. Gettings was incredibly valuable last night at exploiting the zone at the high post and making shot after shot from the elbow. Zeke couldn't hit any of those shots last night. Gettings has flaws, but also provides value with spacing and also attacking the zone
2. Defense is disorganized. Defense is plenty organized and has shown signs of being very good. Last night our defense was excellent - especially in the post. Defense however is a function of effort and this team doesn't consistently put in that effort.
3. Zero pressure on 3 point shooters (and teams know it)Every defense has a weakness. The pack line defense is weaker against the 3. Sometimes the team needs more effort on closeouts, but it is really more a function of the type of defense. Last night the Huskies (who are not a good 3 point shooting team) just were really hot and hit their outside shots and you have to live with that when that happens - or switch to another defense. However, most zones are also weak against the 3...
4. Late game tightness/ afraid to take a shot (thank goodness for Baker last night). Other than Gettings and Smith missing some late free throws, the team did not play tight and was not afraid to take a shot in the last. In fact, we played far better in the last 5 minutes of the game (unlike the ASU game).
5. Taking too many 3's 5 feet behind the arc, which we rarely make (if we take a good 3, it usually goes in). Mannion and Smith are sometimes guilty of this. I am ok with Mannion doing it on occasion as it helps open up his game if the defender has to extend further. Smith should never do it.
6. Not enough penetration. Washington's defense is built to prevent penetration and it did last night. Josh Green had a subpar game as lanes to penetrate were not there at all and he is not much of a set shooter. I haven't seen this as being a major problem of this team this year (there are a few personnel groups that are not strong penetrators).
7. Stone defending out on the perimeter and positioning/running offense through him (cant have one of our worst players handling the ball the most)The post players defense was great last night. The post defense down low on Stewart was great. The hedging by the bigs including Stone was incredibly disruptive to UW and directly resulted in a number of turnovers and they also did a ton of double teaming and having the guards dig down on the UW post player. Stone was good last night. Yes he is a little bit slow and clumsy at times, but the positives far outweigh the negatives.
8. Miller needs to coach more and yell/teach less on the bench (draw up plays and counter what the other coach is doing during time-stoppages (teaching is for practice).see #9
9. Execution after timeoutsMiller did a good job with timeouts last night and the Cats executed well out of those timeouts. He did a really good job managing player rotations, especially in the first half with all the foul trouble.
2. You were at the game and did not notice our defense struggling whether to switch or not? Many times 2 guy's went with 1 guy leaving the other wide open?
3. So, you agree with me here.
4. I'll post the play by play of the last few minutes. I recommend you watch the end of our games again.
5. You agree with me again.
6. You agree with me again, but you're crazy if you think we do not pass around the perimeter too often.
7. This is about Stone, not the team. He got beat repeatedly and his man shot 3-pointers without a second thought.
His positives: Decent FT and 3PT shooter (even though its 1 3PT per game)
His negatives: No hands = turnovers and butter-fingers; Cant jump = repeatedly lets his man out jump him for a rebound or keeping ball alive; Plays below the rim = Cannot finish around the rim unless he's wide open; He is slow on defense, running the floor and getting loose balls; He is a PF and does not rebound.
8. You did not answer the question.
9. This has been a problem since he's been here. I'll post the possessions after his timeouts.
Quote from: arxpert on January 31, 2020, 10:03:51 PM
You are speaking on outliers and using numbers to lie to fit your narrative and I'm actually starting to think you are just an ASU troll hanging out on a UofA forum.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Late-game Arizona possessions (last 4 minutes)
Missed long 3
0-2 FTs
Missed 3
TO
Missed jumper
1-2 FTs
Bakers huge made 3
1-2 FTs
Missed front-end FT
Possessions following Official and Arizona Time-outs:
Time / score / possession....and then the score roughly 2 minutes later
7:16 / 21-16 / AZ made shot
5:08 / 26-22
Half
20:00 / 36-33 / no shot
17:42 / 39-39
17:00 / 39-42 / AZ missed shot
14:50 / 41-50
14:28 / 44-50 / UW made 3
12:26 / 52-57
4:56 / 64-69 / AZ missed long 3
2:42 / 70-69
TO to review
3:59 / 70-69 / AZ missed long 3
1:45 / 70-72
Quote from: PacSouthwest on January 31, 2020, 10:51:31 PM
Possessions following Official and Arizona Time-outs:
Time / score / possession....and then the score roughly 2 minutes later
7:16 / 21-16 / AZ made shot
5:08 / 26-22
Half
20:00 / 36-33 / no shot
17:42 / 39-39
17:00 / 39-42 / AZ missed shot
14:50 / 41-50
14:28 / 44-50 / UW made 3
12:26 / 52-57
4:56 / 64-69 / AZ missed long 3
2:42 / 70-69
TO to review
3:59 / 70-69 / AZ missed long 3
1:45 / 70-72
Been saying for years that miller is the absolute worst at calling a play out of timeout. And burns timeouts just as bad as Kevin O'Neil
UW never took advantage of Arizona's switches. Our length affected their rhythm and if it weren't for their outside shooting (which was completely out of character), we would have blown them out.
UW is a long team that couldn't earn points in the paint, despite having guys like Gettings in the post. Our FT shooting started 15/17, which is a big reason that we won.
The late misses didn't lose the game because the 40-minute game plan was successful.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 01, 2020, 06:51:20 AM
UW never took advantage of Arizona's switches. Our length affected their rhythm and if it weren't for their outside shooting (which was completely out of character), we would have blown them out.
UW is a long team that couldn't earn points in the paint, despite having guys like Gettings in the post. Our FT shooting started 15/17, which is a big reason that we won.
The late misses didn't lose the game because the 40-minute game plan was successful.
The late game misses didn't cost us the game because Washington absolutely fell apart. They had 3 possessions to tie or take the lead and had 2 turnovers and one contested deep 3 way too early in the shot clock
Quote from: PacSouthwest on January 31, 2020, 09:26:10 PM
Quote from: zoescout on January 31, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: PacSouthwest on January 31, 2020, 09:59:16 AM
I was at the game last night and almost none of the things on your list happened (at least last night).
1. Millers love for Gettings will be this years downfall. Gettings was incredibly valuable last night at exploiting the zone at the high post and making shot after shot from the elbow. Zeke couldn't hit any of those shots last night. Gettings has flaws, but also provides value with spacing and also attacking the zone
You don't know the game as well as you think then; and being at the game does not enhance your knowledge. People like you just concentrate on offense and whether the ball goes in the basket.
Gettings: Cool he made a couple mid-range shots. But he places zero pressure on the defense because they are not concerned with him around the basket. When you know what the opponent is going to do, it is that much easier to guard them. Also, his value spacing the court is setting up behind the arc. Do you know how many shots he had behind the arc? He was 0-1 and he is making 0.5 3PT/GM.
These are his stats (team rank):
OFF.RTG (10th) and DEF.RTG (9th)
FGM/G: 2.1
3PTA/G: 1.2
3PTM/G: 0.5
FTM/G: 1.1
AS/G: 0.8
TO/G: 1.3 (Worst on team)
OREB/G: 0.9
DREB/G: 1.9
ST/G: 0.6
BL/G: 0.7
...and you think the decision to put him in a spot that gets that many touches is not problematic?
First, seeing a game live vs on television does help you get a better feel and analysis. You can feel and see the crowd and flow of game better. You can also see things that would be off camera that all play into what is happening - and in this game there was a lot happening off camera!
Second, I absolutely do not focus on offense only - defense is every bit as important.
Third, his offense contribution in the UW game was much more than "he made a couple of mid-range shots". He hit 5 jumpers and scored 13 points. That was a major contribution even if you are just looking at the stats. It was even more if you watch what he did on offense, even when he didn't get the ball. He has the highest 3 point percentage on the team and that forces the defense to defend the 3. It doesn't matter that he doesn't take a large volume of shots - in fact that might be the best reason to have him on the floor! He is a role player and seems fine in just taking what is available. He is a smart guy and has a good feel for the game. We have plenty of high volume shooters on the team, we can't have him be the same. In fact, this is the biggest problem with Dylan Smith. He is also a role player and he shoots too much and that disrupts the offense. Spacing on offense isn't created by just having someone on the perimeter or someone just taking a lot of 3 pointers. Spacing, is created by movement and pulling out defenders from the post and forcing them to move out to the perimeter. Spacing against a zone defense is created by moving into the soft spots and forcing that zone to distort - it doesn't have to have anything to do with the perimeter, as you can distort a zone from the high post and also the baseline. Stone was very good against UW at finding the soft spot in the zone AND then making the turn around jumper (Zeke really struggled that game with that). Without that, we would not have won the game. Defensively, he actually did a pretty good job, at times being physical in the post and also defending on the perimeter. He is not athletic like Josh Green and will never be a lockdown defender and he will get beaten at times on the dribble, but again he is a role player and that isn't his role, just play smart proper defense. Basketball is all about matchups, there will be some matchups that he will excel in and others (if having to guard a highly athletic big) he will struggle with.
Lastly, if you were to take away Stone's minutes, who would you give them to and why? I love Ira, but he is always in foul trouble and is limited offensively. He is a great spark off the bench, but I don't think he can play 30 min a game or he would foul out almost every time. The other option is to play Koloko at C and play Zeke at PF. I really like that combo as well, but Koloko isn't ready to be playing more than 15 min a game. He has great potential, but also very raw. In time I think he will be great. If you want to go really small you could put Josh at PF, if the matchups for that lineup worked out, but that won't work the majority of the time and certainly would not have worked against UW.
Great analysis Zoescout!
Quote from: WILDBeaker on February 01, 2020, 12:10:49 PM
Great analysis Zoescout!
I second this sentiment. Great analysis and I agree that there are a ton of things that happen in between commercial breaks, timeouts, etc that you can only notice when you are there live in-person that do not show up in the box score.
Stone was a miserable defender at the beginning of the season.
He still has mental lapses that result in easy buckets for opponents but his improving D was showcased against a UW front court that will likely be in the NBA next year.
Quote from: PacSouthwest on January 31, 2020, 09:26:10 PM
Quote from: zoescout on January 31, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: PacSouthwest on January 31, 2020, 09:59:16 AM
I was at the game last night and almost none of the things on your list happened (at least last night).
1. Millers love for Gettings will be this years downfall. Gettings was incredibly valuable last night at exploiting the zone at the high post and making shot after shot from the elbow. Zeke couldn't hit any of those shots last night. Gettings has flaws, but also provides value with spacing and also attacking the zone
You don't know the game as well as you think then; and being at the game does not enhance your knowledge. People like you just concentrate on offense and whether the ball goes in the basket.
Gettings: Cool he made a couple mid-range shots. But he places zero pressure on the defense because they are not concerned with him around the basket. When you know what the opponent is going to do, it is that much easier to guard them. Also, his value spacing the court is setting up behind the arc. Do you know how many shots he had behind the arc? He was 0-1 and he is making 0.5 3PT/GM.
These are his stats (team rank):
OFF.RTG (10th) and DEF.RTG (9th)
FGM/G: 2.1
3PTA/G: 1.2
3PTM/G: 0.5
FTM/G: 1.1
AS/G: 0.8
TO/G: 1.3 (Worst on team)
OREB/G: 0.9
DREB/G: 1.9
ST/G: 0.6
BL/G: 0.7
...and you think the decision to put him in a spot that gets that many touches is not problematic?
Gettings 19pts 12reb your stats are trash.