https://www.zagsblog.com/2019/02/14/source-ucla-going-hard-after-tony-bennett-and-he-has-not-said-no-yet/
What ever keeps Luke out of westwood is good with me.
Seems like a long shot. Complete change of lifestyle from VA to LA. UCLA microscope and expected to win immediately. Style of play not conducive to LA baller style. Has to rebuild the program.
Out of curiosity, how long is Miller's contract?
Article mentions owing 4.5 million to the fired head coach. Why do these schools sign long contracts and then run out of patience before the contract is done? Why fire him before you have a new head coach?
Seems like they pi$$ away money like it's not theirs. If we got rid of our coach at the end of the year how much are we on the hook for and how many years does he have left?
IMO if you signed a contract with the guy then see out the contract.
Baller? Maybe Lavar is available and brings a recruit with him.
No chance. No way. UCLA is not an upgrade from virgina anymore and he has virgina as a yearly top 10 team at this point. Not to mention I can't imagine LA fans coming out in bunches to watch 45-40 point games
Bennett has proven that he can compete with Dook and UNC in the ACC...which is unbelievably hard to accomplish.
Would be crazy to jump to UCLA...a place that can't fill the stands and expects John Wooden's standard of winning.
I'd still prefer Bennett over Luke in a heartbeat. Go get him, Bruins!
Quote from: 2012Cat on February 14, 2019, 06:59:15 PM
No chance. No way. UCLA is not an upgrade from virgina anymore and he has virgina as a yearly top 10 team at this point. Not to mention I can't imagine LA fans coming out in bunches to watch 45-40 point games
Not saying Bennett will happen...but UCLA is still and always will be a HUGE step up from Virginia. Virginia needs to win 3 or 4 championships (will never happen while Bennet is there or at least while he uses the idiot pack line D) to even be close to being a blue blood.
Bennet has a nice program of hard working kids who play a mid 1980's mid major gimmick defense and do so exceptionally well. But they get their ass kicked in tournament play and against most good coaching. Coach K beat them twice already this year and this is supposed to be the best VA team yet.
I'd be shocked if UCLA or any other good BB program anywhere hired a Pack Line D coach. Analytics has destroyed any pretense that it is a valid D.
Quote from: BearDown93 on February 14, 2019, 02:38:15 PM
Seems like a long shot. Complete change of lifestyle from VA to LA. UCLA microscope and expected to win immediately. Style of play not conducive to LA baller style. Has to rebuild the program.
Out of curiosity, how long is Miller's contract?
Article mentions owing 4.5 million to the fired head coach. Why do these schools sign long contracts and then run out of patience before the contract is done? Why fire him before you have a new head coach?
Seems like they pi$$ away money like it's not theirs. If we got rid of our coach at the end of the year how much are we on the hook for and how many years does he have left?
IMO if you signed a contract with the guy then see out the contract.
I doubt it will be hard to win immediately at UCLA. They pull in highly ranked recruits no matter who is coaching there. I get what you're saying about style of play, but I think a good coach won't have much trouble winning at UCLA.
People are throwing Bennett out and truly believe that he will leave Virginia?
Virginia > UCLA right now and it isn't even close.
The perks are better at UCLA for the most part, but this isn't UCLA from 2005-2008 so there will be a transition period until Bennett can bring UCLA to the level that Virginia is at IF he could do it..
Quote from: mvpreed2 on February 15, 2019, 12:59:03 PM
People are throwing Bennett out and truly believe that he will leave Virginia?
Virginia > UCLA right now and it isn't even close.
The perks are better at UCLA for the most part, but this isn't UCLA from 2005-2008 so there will be a transition period until Bennett can bring UCLA to the level that Virginia is at IF he could do it..
Key words: 'Right now'. Using that qualifier, no succesful coach would ever leave a program anywhere. Miller would still be at Xavier (where he did a lot better than he's done here). Xavier was in a much better spot than AZ when Miller came here.
I don't know if Bennet should, would or could leave VA, but removing the specific person, there is absolutely no comparison between Virginia and UCLA. Honda's new Accord may be car of the year, but it is not better than the Mercedes E Class.
RECRUITING:
Virginia has exactly 1 player from west of the Mississippi, and they have 4 international players (a risky, by any standard, strategy). Virginia does not have the recruiting reach that Duke, North Carolina, Louisville or Syracuse has... not sure about Notre Dame in BB but my hunch is they have an easier time recruiting than VA. That will not change until he wins some championships. Virginia will always have to compete for top recruits with the critical mass of eastern basketball powers, of which there are at least 20-ish programs at VA's level as program on the east coact. There are 8 million people in Virginia.
UCLA is in L.A. and they have OWNED L.A. recruiting even in their worst years. It would take exactly one year to land a better, more talented group of players than Virginia..oh what, they've already got them. Pretty sure I could recruit at UCLA...even if they hired Sean Miller. There are 18 million people in the greater Los Angeles area and there is not a single school in California or the west, other than AZ, viewed to be on par with UCLA Basketball.
$$$$$
UCLA can easily be the heights paid basketball coach in the country if they want to be. Virginia is a great school, and I am sure has plenty alumni who can raise plenty of money, but Basketball would never command the same level of support at VA as UCLA.
PAC12 vs ACC
Duh. No Duke. No North Carolina and no 7 other programs who are all going to get a bid to the tournament...every damn year.
I am really hoping UCLA screws up this hire - Miller is tanking, Altman and Hopkins are rising, Enfield and Hurley are dangerous. AZ has lost its edge in the conference.
That's a pretty strong compliment to Bennett's pack like defense. If he hasn't recruited at the same level as Dook/UNC, but has outplayed them over the past three years with efforts, it's obviously a result of good coaching!
How is Altman on the rise? He just made a final four, came in with a Top-10 team but they're on their way to a 13-loss season (and only played one Top-25 team).
Similarly, Enfield already has 12 losses with a stacked roster, and Hurley is trying to piss away another opportunity to make the field of 64 by losing easy PAC-12 games.
Hopkins is the only coach mentioned above that did a decent job with their talent level this season.
::). The UCLA coaching job ain't what it used to be.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 16, 2019, 06:34:23 AM
That's a pretty strong compliment to Bennett's pack like defense. If he hasn't recruited at the same level as Dook/UNC, but has outplayed them over the past three years with efforts, it's obviously a result of good coaching!
How is Altman on the rise? He just made a final four, came in with a Top-10 team but they're on their way to a 13-loss season (and only played one Top-25 team).
Similarly, Enfield already has 12 losses with a stacked roster, and Hurley is trying to piss away another opportunity to make the field of 64 by losing easy PAC-12 games.
Hopkins is the only coach mentioned above that did a decent job with their talent level this season.
Thats what Pack line does, it compensates for lack of height and talent. And it works great until tourney time and until you run into better coaching. Duke beat them twice this year in two completely different ways.
Altman has key injuries and this us the very first year in 9 he has not performed well above expectations.
Hurley and Enfield are 'dangerous' because they have stacked talent, but maybe don't know what they are doing fully. Dangerous once they figure it out...both are young (as is Miller) to be elite BB coaches, but they both have Miller figured out - they know exactly what D they will face for 40 minutes against Miller.
Hopkins has one 1 and 1/2 seasons only, so jury os still out, but they look to be for real - building a good base. But like the PACK line, the 2-3 has limitations - Boheim has only 1 championship in 187 years as head coach.
Quote from: Bkatt on February 16, 2019, 08:58:45 AM
::). The UCLA coaching job ain't what it used to be.
The UCLA
Coaches have not been what they used to be... I bet there are not 17 D1 coaches who would turn down an offer at UCLA. 17 = 5% of all D1 coaches (347)
Quote from: Liquidated on February 16, 2019, 09:45:56 AM
Quote from: Bkatt on February 16, 2019, 08:58:45 AM
::). The UCLA coaching job ain't what it used to be.
The UCLA Coaches have not been what they used to be... I bet there are not 17 D1 coaches who would turn down an offer at UCLA. 17 = 5% of all D1 coaches (347)
There absolutely is 17.
Coach k
Roy Williams
Bill self
Tony Bennett
Shaka smart
Sean Miller
Andy enfield
Rick Barnes
Jim larranaga
Jim boeheim
Archie Miller
John belein
Tom izzo
Chris Mack
John calipari
Jay Wright
Mark few
Gregg Marshall
There's 18 that come to mind right away. UCLA doesn't even pay what they need to in order to get a top coach. For example Larry Krystoviak(sp?) makes over $1m per year that Steve Alford was. UCLA hasn't been a destination job in a long long time. They're going to hire some bum like mark gottfried. I think realistically the best they can do is Eric Musselman and even that I wouldn't be too excited about if I was a UCLA fan
fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.
Other than LA what is the benefit? They haven't been relevant in 15 years. Look at their past coaching hires. None of them have been top line coaches. The facilities are mediocre. The fan base is below par. They don't pay enough and add on high California income tax. They're not getting Tony Bennett or any other high major coach . They are gonna get someone either currently not coaching or looking to move from a mid major up
Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.
Other than LA what is the benefit? They haven't been relevant in 15 years. Look at their past coaching hires. None of them have been top line coaches. The facilities are mediocre. The fan base is below par. They don't pay enough and add on high California income tax. They're not getting Tony Bennett or any other high major coach . They are gonna get someone either currently not coaching or looking to move from a mid major up
LA is the benefit, the facilities have been upgraded, the fan base will be the with wins. Big $$ alumni will be happy to compensate a winner, plus all the side $$ that come with the huge media market. Pauley will sell out with the right product with celebrities at court side, players love playing in front of big names night after night. Add the fact that tons of talent resides all around CA, elite players want to go to fucla regardless of the coach.
The potential of big $$ through salary and side deals, awesome weather, a treasure trove of elite talent knocking on the door and the ego feed of being the guy to revive a storied program is enough to draw a quality coach. Whether it is Bennett or some one else.
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.
Other than LA what is the benefit? They haven't been relevant in 15 years. Look at their past coaching hires. None of them have been top line coaches. The facilities are mediocre. The fan base is below par. They don't pay enough and add on high California income tax. They're not getting Tony Bennett or any other high major coach . They are gonna get someone either currently not coaching or looking to move from a mid major up
LA is the benefit, the facilities have been upgraded, the fan base will be the with wins. Big $$ alumni will be happy to compensate a winner, plus all the side $$ that come with the huge media market. Pauley will sell out with the right product with celebrities at court side, players love playing in front of big names night after night. Add the fact that tons of talent resides all around CA, elite players want to go to fucla regardless of the coach.
The potential of big $$ through salary and side deals, awesome weather, a treasure trove of elite talent knocking on the door and the ego feed of being the guy to revive a storied program is enough to draw a quality coach. Whether it is Bennett or some one else.
How much money was howland making on side deals? What about Alford? College basketball is not a draw in LA. It's probably a top 30 job in college and Bennett is a top 10 coach if not top 5. He's not going there
Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.
Other than LA what is the benefit? They haven't been relevant in 15 years. Look at their past coaching hires. None of them have been top line coaches. The facilities are mediocre. The fan base is below par. They don't pay enough and add on high California income tax. They're not getting Tony Bennett or any other high major coach . They are gonna get someone either currently not coaching or looking to move from a mid major up
LA is the benefit, the facilities have been upgraded, the fan base will be the with wins. Big $$ alumni will be happy to compensate a winner, plus all the side $$ that come with the huge media market. Pauley will sell out with the right product with celebrities at court side, players love playing in front of big names night after night. Add the fact that tons of talent resides all around CA, elite players want to go to fucla regardless of the coach.
The potential of big $$ through salary and side deals, awesome weather, a treasure trove of elite talent knocking on the door and the ego feed of being the guy to revive a storied program is enough to draw a quality coach. Whether it is Bennett or some one else.
How much money was howland making on side deals? What about Alford? College basketball is not a draw in LA. It's probably a top 30 job in college and Bennett is a top 10 coach if not top 5. He's not going there
Howland salary averaged about $2mil plus incentives, Alford $3mil plus incentives. Couldn't find anything on shoe deals or other media money for either of them, thats some nice cash as well I'm sure. Also never said he was going there, just a possibility he might.
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.
Other than LA what is the benefit? They haven't been relevant in 15 years. Look at their past coaching hires. None of them have been top line coaches. The facilities are mediocre. The fan base is below par. They don't pay enough and add on high California income tax. They're not getting Tony Bennett or any other high major coach . They are gonna get someone either currently not coaching or looking to move from a mid major up
LA is the benefit, the facilities have been upgraded, the fan base will be the with wins. Big $$ alumni will be happy to compensate a winner, plus all the side $$ that come with the huge media market. Pauley will sell out with the right product with celebrities at court side, players love playing in front of big names night after night. Add the fact that tons of talent resides all around CA, elite players want to go to fucla regardless of the coach.
The potential of big $$ through salary and side deals, awesome weather, a treasure trove of elite talent knocking on the door and the ego feed of being the guy to revive a storied program is enough to draw a quality coach. Whether it is Bennett or some one else.
How much money was howland making on side deals? What about Alford? College basketball is not a draw in LA. It's probably a top 30 job in college and Bennett is a top 10 coach if not top 5. He's not going there
Howland salary averaged about $2mil plus incentives, Alford $3mil plus incentives. Couldn't find anything on shoe deals or other media money for either of them, thats some nice cash as well I'm sure. Also never said he was going there, just a possibility he might.
Alford was scheduled for 2.6m in 2018(which ranks 23rd), and bennett 3.1m in 2018. Just for comparison, SM makes 4 and coach K makes 9 not including endorsement deals. UCLA isn't paying what it needs to if it wants that type of coach. I hope UCLA gets Bennett. It'd be fantastic to bring him back to the pac, but I don't see it happening