fucla and Tony Bennett?

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Bkatt

 ::). The UCLA coaching job ain't what it used to be.

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Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 16, 2019, 06:34:23 AM
That's a pretty strong compliment to Bennett's pack like defense. If he hasn't recruited at the same level as Dook/UNC, but has outplayed them over the past three years with efforts, it's obviously a result of good coaching!

How is Altman on the rise?  He just made a final four, came in with a Top-10 team but they're on their way to a 13-loss season (and only played one Top-25 team).

Similarly, Enfield already has 12 losses with a stacked roster, and Hurley is trying to piss away another opportunity to make the field of 64 by losing easy PAC-12 games.

Hopkins is the only coach mentioned above that did a decent job with their talent level this season.

Thats what Pack line does, it compensates for lack of height and talent. And it works great until tourney time and until you run into better coaching. Duke beat them twice this year in two completely different ways.

Altman has key injuries and this us the very first year in 9 he has not performed well above expectations.

Hurley and Enfield are 'dangerous' because they have stacked talent, but maybe don't know what they are doing fully. Dangerous once they figure it out...both are young (as is Miller) to be elite BB coaches, but they both have Miller figured out - they know exactly what D they will face for 40 minutes against Miller.

Hopkins has one 1 and 1/2 seasons only, so jury os still out, but they look to be for real - building a good base. But like the PACK line, the 2-3 has limitations - Boheim has only 1 championship in 187 years as head coach.   
"How does this guy still have his job?! That makes no sense...the world is getting nuked around him and Sean Miller is still there..."  - Mark Titus

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Quote from: Bkatt on February 16, 2019, 08:58:45 AM
::). The UCLA coaching job ain't what it used to be.

The UCLA Coaches have not been what they used to be... I bet there are not 17 D1 coaches who would turn down an offer at UCLA. 17 = 5% of all D1 coaches (347)
"How does this guy still have his job?! That makes no sense...the world is getting nuked around him and Sean Miller is still there..."  - Mark Titus

2012Cat

Quote from: Liquidated on February 16, 2019, 09:45:56 AM
Quote from: Bkatt on February 16, 2019, 08:58:45 AM
::). The UCLA coaching job ain't what it used to be.

The UCLA Coaches have not been what they used to be... I bet there are not 17 D1 coaches who would turn down an offer at UCLA. 17 = 5% of all D1 coaches (347)

There absolutely is 17.

Coach k
Roy Williams
Bill self
Tony Bennett
Shaka smart
Sean Miller
Andy enfield
Rick Barnes
Jim larranaga
Jim boeheim
Archie Miller
John belein
Tom izzo
Chris Mack
John calipari
Jay Wright
Mark few
Gregg Marshall

There's 18 that come to mind right away. UCLA doesn't even pay what they need to in order to get a top coach. For example Larry Krystoviak(sp?) makes over $1m per year that Steve Alford was. UCLA hasn't been a destination job in a long long time. They're going to hire some bum like mark gottfried. I think realistically the best they can do is Eric Musselman and even that I wouldn't be too excited about if I was a UCLA fan

BDFC

fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination  job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.

2012Cat

Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination  job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.

Other than LA what is the benefit? They haven't been relevant in 15 years. Look at their past coaching hires. None of them have been top line coaches. The facilities are mediocre. The fan base is below par. They don't pay enough and add on high California income tax. They're not getting Tony Bennett or any other high major coach . They are gonna get someone either currently not coaching or looking to move from a mid major up

BDFC

Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination  job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.

Other than LA what is the benefit? They haven't been relevant in 15 years. Look at their past coaching hires. None of them have been top line coaches. The facilities are mediocre. The fan base is below par. They don't pay enough and add on high California income tax. They're not getting Tony Bennett or any other high major coach . They are gonna get someone either currently not coaching or looking to move from a mid major up

LA is the benefit, the facilities have been upgraded, the fan base will be the with wins. Big $$ alumni will be happy to compensate a winner, plus all the side $$ that come with the huge media market. Pauley will sell out with the right product with celebrities at court side, players love playing in front of big names night after night. Add the fact that tons of talent resides all around CA, elite players want to go to fucla regardless of the coach.

The potential of big $$ through salary and side deals, awesome weather, a treasure trove of elite talent knocking on the door and the ego feed of being the guy to revive  a storied program is enough to draw a quality coach. Whether  it is Bennett or some one else.

2012Cat

Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination  job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.

Other than LA what is the benefit? They haven't been relevant in 15 years. Look at their past coaching hires. None of them have been top line coaches. The facilities are mediocre. The fan base is below par. They don't pay enough and add on high California income tax. They're not getting Tony Bennett or any other high major coach . They are gonna get someone either currently not coaching or looking to move from a mid major up

LA is the benefit, the facilities have been upgraded, the fan base will be the with wins. Big $$ alumni will be happy to compensate a winner, plus all the side $$ that come with the huge media market. Pauley will sell out with the right product with celebrities at court side, players love playing in front of big names night after night. Add the fact that tons of talent resides all around CA, elite players want to go to fucla regardless of the coach.

The potential of big $$ through salary and side deals, awesome weather, a treasure trove of elite talent knocking on the door and the ego feed of being the guy to revive  a storied program is enough to draw a quality coach. Whether  it is Bennett or some one else.

How much money was howland making on side deals?  What about Alford? College basketball is not a draw in LA. It's probably a top 30 job in college and Bennett is a top 10 coach if not top 5. He's not going there

BDFC

Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination  job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.

Other than LA what is the benefit? They haven't been relevant in 15 years. Look at their past coaching hires. None of them have been top line coaches. The facilities are mediocre. The fan base is below par. They don't pay enough and add on high California income tax. They're not getting Tony Bennett or any other high major coach . They are gonna get someone either currently not coaching or looking to move from a mid major up

LA is the benefit, the facilities have been upgraded, the fan base will be the with wins. Big $$ alumni will be happy to compensate a winner, plus all the side $$ that come with the huge media market. Pauley will sell out with the right product with celebrities at court side, players love playing in front of big names night after night. Add the fact that tons of talent resides all around CA, elite players want to go to fucla regardless of the coach.

The potential of big $$ through salary and side deals, awesome weather, a treasure trove of elite talent knocking on the door and the ego feed of being the guy to revive  a storied program is enough to draw a quality coach. Whether  it is Bennett or some one else.

How much money was howland making on side deals?  What about Alford? College basketball is not a draw in LA. It's probably a top 30 job in college and Bennett is a top 10 coach if not top 5. He's not going there

Howland salary averaged about $2mil plus incentives, Alford $3mil plus incentives. Couldn't find anything on shoe deals or other media money for either of them, thats some nice cash as well I'm sure. Also never said he was going there, just a possibility he might.

2012Cat

Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 11:49:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 11:00:29 AM
Quote from: 2012Cat on February 16, 2019, 10:35:10 AM
Quote from: FlagCat on February 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
fucla is still fucla like it or not. They will always draw top level talent because of the name and location, coaches know that. Still a destination  job? Probably not, but the opportunity to revive a once storied program and all the benefits of being in LA is still there.

Other than LA what is the benefit? They haven't been relevant in 15 years. Look at their past coaching hires. None of them have been top line coaches. The facilities are mediocre. The fan base is below par. They don't pay enough and add on high California income tax. They're not getting Tony Bennett or any other high major coach . They are gonna get someone either currently not coaching or looking to move from a mid major up

LA is the benefit, the facilities have been upgraded, the fan base will be the with wins. Big $$ alumni will be happy to compensate a winner, plus all the side $$ that come with the huge media market. Pauley will sell out with the right product with celebrities at court side, players love playing in front of big names night after night. Add the fact that tons of talent resides all around CA, elite players want to go to fucla regardless of the coach.

The potential of big $$ through salary and side deals, awesome weather, a treasure trove of elite talent knocking on the door and the ego feed of being the guy to revive  a storied program is enough to draw a quality coach. Whether  it is Bennett or some one else.

How much money was howland making on side deals?  What about Alford? College basketball is not a draw in LA. It's probably a top 30 job in college and Bennett is a top 10 coach if not top 5. He's not going there

Howland salary averaged about $2mil plus incentives, Alford $3mil plus incentives. Couldn't find anything on shoe deals or other media money for either of them, thats some nice cash as well I'm sure. Also never said he was going there, just a possibility he might.

Alford was scheduled for 2.6m in 2018(which ranks 23rd), and bennett 3.1m in 2018. Just for comparison, SM makes 4 and coach K makes 9 not including endorsement deals. UCLA isn't paying what it needs to if it wants that type of coach. I hope UCLA gets Bennett. It'd be fantastic to bring him back to the pac, but I don't see it happening


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