Tubelis will go through the draft process and get an idea as to where he'll be drafted. If he finds there's a chance he won't be drafted then there's a slim chance he'll return to UofA. Another factor is his little brother who would get to be on the team another year if ZU comes back. So, we're saying there's a chance (Jim Carey Voice)
With the way Lloyd is trying to recruit versatile F, I do not believe he wants Tubelis to come back.
Obviously, not all of them are going to come to Arizona, but Ike/Kaluma/Nkamhoua and Williams being targeted?
In my opinion, Lloyd has a lot of work to do this off-season after losing four starters (Kriisa/Ramey/Henderson & Tubelis) and a big piece of the future (Bal) from this team.
Boswell is going to replace Kriisa, and Larsson is going to step back into the lineup Henderson.
There are no realistic options right now that are going to replace Ramey and Tubelis.
There is a lot of time to figure it out, but those are two holes that were VERY critical to Arizona winning the PAC-12 Tournament last season.
#BearDown
Quote from: mvpreed2 on April 14, 2023, 07:29:17 AM
With the way Lloyd is trying to recruit versatile F, I do not believe he wants Tubelis to come back.
Obviously, not all of them are going to come to Arizona, but Ike/Kaluma/Nkamhoua and Williams being targeted?
In my opinion, Lloyd has a lot of work to do this off-season after losing four starters (Kriisa/Ramey/Henderson & Tubelis) and a big piece of the future (Bal) from this team.
Boswell is going to replace Kriisa, and Larsson is going to step back into the lineup Henderson.
There are no realistic options right now that are going to replace Ramey and Tubelis.
There is a lot of time to figure it out, but those are two holes that were VERY critical to Arizona winning the PAC-12 Tournament last season.
#BearDown
It's like Tommy might actually have to put his money where is mouth is and build + coach a team to success from near scratch. Thankfully he is in the Portal era where you can actually buy a new team every season instead of finding recruits to fill these needs. Especially the ability to get older players who aren't completely green to College basketball.
https://twitter.com/HoopsProspects/status/1651014504153595906
Quote from: WILD on April 27, 2023, 12:51:16 PM
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Pay the man. NIL is guaranteed money. 2nd round is not guaranteed and less years. Come back, become a lottery pick, get a $30mil deal like Mamba Mathurin.
So rare now for a starter to stay 4 yrs, esp one that is All American caliber.
C'mon ZU, one more year! Final Four is in PHX this next season. Be great if you could help lead Arizona towards that prize.
I do not see a situation where Tubelis is going to raise his stock any higher than it could be.
He was 1st team All-PAC, an All-American, and a finalist for every major post-season award one could think of.
I believe Tubelis is in the same situation Johnson was in when he was here.
He hit his ceiling, and his stock was not going to go any higher, so he entered the draft.
I believe the same is for Tubelis, and he should stay in the draft if he wants to make money.
The only reason to come back is to continue to play at Arizona, and enjoy the life of a college superstar trying to rack up more banners/accolades.
#BearDown
If Tubelis retuned and improved his 3 point shot, he may jump from a mid 2nd round pick to a fringe lottery.
Even if that occurred, the guaranteed money wouldn't compensate for an additional year of not playing in the league...unless Arizona finds a sponsor that is will to dish out a generous NIL deal.
He'll absolutely make an NBA roster at some point. Selfishly, I'd prefer to see him in an Arizona uniform as a senior so he can lead the way to a final four and earn some additional hardware.
We'll find out his destiny in the near future!
Quote from: mvpreed2 on April 27, 2023, 07:56:59 PM
I do not see a situation where Tubelis is going to raise his stock any higher than it could be.
He was 1st team All-PAC, an All-American, and a finalist for every major post-season award one could think of.
I believe Tubelis is in the same situation Johnson was in when he was here.
He hit his ceiling, and his stock was not going to go any higher, so he entered the draft.
I believe the same is for Tubelis, and he should stay in the draft if he wants to make money.
The only reason to come back is to continue to play at Arizona, and enjoy the life of a college superstar trying to rack up more banners/accolades.
#BearDown
NBA teams don't care about the accolades. They care if you can be a 3+D guy, elite handles+passing, elite rebounding or be an Iso Ball Shot Creator.
Right now all Tube has proven is he can catch deep lobs to the post vs 6'8" competition and perform easy layups.
If he returns and shows a mid-range + 3pt shot as well as elite passing + screening, he will be a lottery pick.
A senior be a lottery pick?
That is something that is VERY hard to come by!
His age and lack of expanded skill set is going to limit him.
Add in that this expanded gameplay would only be for one season, and it might hurt him even more.
Scouts may wonder if this was a lightning in the bottle situation, or would he be able to continue this at the next level?
It can cause a lot of pause on his draft stock, but all it takes is one program to fall in love with him.
When is the last time a senior went in the lottery?
Wasn't it Duarte from Oregon in 2021?
He transferred, but he was like 23 or something like that?
That was the 13th pick, so he BARELY made the cut.
(I just realized I sound like I am rooting against Tubelis, but I promise I am not lol)
It's rare but not h likely for a senior to be a kid first rounder like Buddy Hield, Grayson Allen, Taurean Prince, Cam Johnson, Duarte or most recently: Ogbaji.
His outside shot and defensive improvements would definitely be the difference in draft stock and hopefully he hears that feedback from scouts over the next couple weeks.
(We know you aren't rooting against Tubelis...ha).
Quote from: mvpreed2 on April 28, 2023, 01:59:49 AM
A senior be a lottery pick?
That is something that is VERY hard to come by!
His age and lack of expanded skill set is going to limit him.
Add in that this expanded gameplay would only be for one season, and it might hurt him even more.
Scouts may wonder if this was a lightning in the bottle situation, or would he be able to continue this at the next level?
It can cause a lot of pause on his draft stock, but all it takes is one program to fall in love with him.
When is the last time a senior went in the lottery?
Wasn't it Duarte from Oregon in 2021?
He transferred, but he was like 23 or something like that?
That was the 13th pick, so he BARELY made the cut.
(I just realized I sound like I am rooting against Tubelis, but I promise I am not lol)
I think there will be more examples of players aged 20-25 hitting the NBA in the lottery simply because the lottery is not big enough unless you truly know it's a lock. NIL is getting bigger and bigger. The guaranteed money involved is causing a purpose to stay in College as long as possible until you get as much information about your stock. We may see the NBA Lottery start to become mostly "older" players outside of the top 2-5 going forward.
Footnote -
Not a Pacers fan, but their team is really on the rise.
Duarte is usurped by Mamba Mathurin currently, but the Pacers really have something big brewing. Halibuton, Hield, Mathurin, Myles Turner, Duarte, TJ McConnell, Andrew Nembhard, Isaiah Jackson, Jalen Stix Smith, and they will probably have the #7 pick this year too. (technically rostered Gabe York too...)