https://twitter.com/TravisBranham_/status/1565417612800147456
7'1" wingspan as a GUARD?? Good luck finding an open shot along the perimeter against this guy. Love it!
Quote from: KansasCityCats on September 02, 2022, 09:51:26 AM
7'1" wingspan as a GUARD?? Good luck finding an open shot along the perimeter against this guy. Love it!
Marvin Williams was a SG/SF at 6'8" and his Wingspan was 7'4" I believe, but was nothing to write home about once he hit the NBA and solely drafted on those measurables. Just food for thought.
This makes me sad to see Tommy fishing around more international players because he can't hack it recruiting Americans from a proficiency standpoint. Hope that changes, but it looks like he is hellbent on making Arizona fully International with maybe 1 American player per year.
I just skip the outdated, ancient and possibly xenophobic part about being sad to recruit an international player and focus a bit on the other also dumb point.
2022 recruits / transfers:
# of U.S. players: 4 (ramey, henderson, boswell, anderson)
# of internationals : 2 (henri, boro)
2023 recruits:
# of U.S. players: 1 (lewis)
# of internationals : 0
scheduled visits:
# of U.S. players: 3 (bryant, thomas, zoom)
# of internationals : 1 (darlan)
There is a reason why you are getting to -400 in record speed.
Quote from: arxpert on September 02, 2022, 07:38:24 PM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on September 02, 2022, 09:51:26 AM
7'1" wingspan as a GUARD?? Good luck finding an open shot along the perimeter against this guy. Love it!
Marvin Williams was a SG/SF at 6'8" and his Wingspan was 7'4" I believe, but was nothing to write home about once he hit the NBA and solely drafted on those measurables. Just food for thought.
This makes me sad to see Tommy fishing around more international players because he can't hack it recruiting Americans from a proficiency standpoint. Hope that changes, but it looks like he is hellbent on making Arizona fully International with maybe 1 American player per year.
It's far from "sad". He's looking for the "best" players, regardless of origin.
I buy Honda because American cars are garbage...
Quote from: WerderBremen on September 03, 2022, 05:25:35 AM
I just skip the outdated, ancient and possibly xenophobic part about being sad to recruit an international player and focus a bit on the other also dumb point.
2022 recruits / transfers:
# of U.S. players: 4 (ramey, henderson, boswell, anderson)
# of internationals : 2 (henri, boro)
2023 recruits:
# of U.S. players: 1 (lewis)
# of internationals : 0
scheduled visits:
# of U.S. players: 3 (bryant, thomas, zoom)
# of internationals : 1 (darlan)
There is a reason why you are getting to -400 in record speed.
Unfortunately only a racist or bigot would ever bring up anything that has to do with the subject as a whole on a sports forum. There is no disdain for international players. I would love to see Victor Wenebayama in Tucson if he were eligible however there is no possible chance Tommy would ever be able to land Victor even if he could.
It is however disdain for the fact Tommy Lloyd is getting out recruited for American players outright. Heavily out recruited. Even Arkansas was able to land 3 Top 10 HS recruits this year. It's becoming evident he is turning Arizona into a 3 and 4 star place. Good for him. This is what Arizona Basketball is now. I accept it. I also will comment on it much to your disdain.
Boswell this year is a reclassification as he will be using the program for his own interests (healthcare and rehab). Hopefully he stays and doesn't transfer out. Score 1 for Tommy.
Citing the transfer portal is comical and 100% irrelevant. Neither Henderson nor Ramey are top "recruits" just looking for a change of scenery. If you want to hang your hat on them being the backbones of Tommy Lloyd's American recruiting prowess than that is your choice. I have my standards, you seem to have yours. Whether my standards are higher than yours doesn't matter to me. Whether my standards are better than yours is not even in question. You are entitled to believe these players are equal to Top 10 players in the nation. I won't stop you.
Dylan Anderson was recruited originally under the old regime way back when so I automatically discard that tidbit too.
So before you get all high and mighty, take a step back and fully understand that this is a sports forum and anything you have to say that doesn't involve sports is not welcomed in a discussion with me.
International U is completely fine. Not sure how long we can hold up per my standards of Conference Titles and Conference Tournament Titles with this model, but we will find out.
Did you see what happened when Arizona was a 5-star recruiting machine under Miller?
Selfishness...and ZERO Final Four appearances, despite having a plethora of NBA talent.
3-4 star talent is what a GOOD coach needs to win because players want to win. Period.
Kansas- why waste your time with this troll? He is about the most jaded, condescending, troglodyte on this forum. Ignore him and he will eventually go away. He says such ludicrous things, for the sole purpose of engaging others. Let the troll did lonely and sad.
This kid darlan looks really talented he looks like a solid shooter from 3 an has good size an length, I hope we get him.
It gives us another target besides cody Williams in the 2023 class hopefully he lands darlan an cody.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on September 03, 2022, 03:32:31 PM
Did you see what happened when Arizona was a 5-star recruiting machine under Miller?
Selfishness...and ZERO Final Four appearances, despite having a plethora of NBA talent.
3-4 star talent is what a GOOD coach needs to win because players want to win. Period.
This is Tommy's Team now. Let's get that straight. The bed has been made. I sincerely want to see what he can do once all of Miller's players are gone. He has a chance to repeat the success of last season with the remainder of Miller's players leading the way, but soon after it will be all what Tommy creates for himself.
But... Yes I noticed under Miller... winning the Pac12 and the Pac12 Tournament a significant amount of times. Being a contender in one way or another every season. Being a 1 and 2 seed in the big dance, getting many players to the NBA, having 3 Elite 8 runs and a couple Sweet 16s i believe. Losing those Elite 8 games by a bucket or two, not getting blown out in the biggest spotlights, losing a Sweet 16 by a buzzer beater literally. And just like Kentucky, Michigan St, Duke, Virginia, etc a couple first round exits to some really good teams that went on to prove themselves as such whereas those other blue-chips lost to 14-16 seeds in the big dance during Miller's tenure. I guess the difference is anything their coaches did wrong got swept away or paid to go away or their base, admins, and boosters all looked the other way in the name of consistency. Arizona has to be the trendsetter in the worst time to transition. After all the horrific allegations, right now Miller would be having a field day with the NIL. It won't be long for him to get back to that level with these new rules.
There were four double-digit Postseason losses for Miller, including a first round home NIT game against Buckner.
During his 10 year tenure, he earned a #1 seed ONCE (same as Lloyd thus far).
I think it's absolutely fair to assess Lloyd after all of Miller's players are gone. It's inevitable that he will continue to win titles (conference and postseason tournaments).
Not 1 march madness loss in the 2nd weekend was a thrashing like you are speaking to and a 1st round exit happens to everyone as i mentioned with all of those premiere programs being embarrassed way worse than ours during that tenure. I will take losses by 1 or 2 buckets in sweet 16/elite 8 games all day knowing that we were on "that" level and it could have gone either way. That is what elite coaching gets you in the madness. A 1 off upset in the 1st round can happen to anyone and is why the tournament is not that important on my list of course.
PS No one cares about Bucknell. The players didnt want to be there, the coach didnt want to be there. it was a flat out embarrassment that the admin forced them to play so that they could line their pockets hosting a game. #Ghouls
If the Buffalo game wasn't an embarrassing thrashing...the Houston loss last year was considered a nail biter.
I posted this in the shoutbox before. Darlan played three world cup qualifiers. Here are his stats
https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2023/african-qualifiers/player/Thierry-Serge-Darlan
Quote from: KansasCityCats on September 04, 2022, 08:56:49 PM
If the Buffalo game wasn't an embarrassing thrashing...the Houston loss last year was considered a nail biter.
There's a lot of agree to disagree overall. This thread is really about an international recruit and how Tommy is losing the recruiting battles inside of America. It also is about projecting how long Tommy can sustain success with this strategy. As always, at least we get to find out.
The best players should always play. I don't care where they came from. I do think Tommy is just as stubborn as Miller in a lot of ways so far and I am not interested in recruiting players with lower ceilings just because they will be 4 year players. In this new era we cannot bank on anyone staying in Tucson that long and also it takes a lot less skill for recruiting if every year a Coach falls short and just takes a bunch of 21-22 year old transfers to fill a roster and try the "upperclassmen/ men vs boys" strategy as a cop out/fall back.
So if the better players are International than so be it. This is something I alluded to in another post where I believe if Ramey and Henderson are going to be heavily relied upon, they will probably be outplayed by better Domestic competition. Any "leg up" on the competition is important and if we have to Zig while other teams Zag to do it, then so be it until enough Elite Domestic talent has interest in coming to Tucson again.
This is the same playbook that Gonzaga ran for 20 years in recruiting. They have always mixed international talent in with American talent
Quote from: AZ to VA on September 13, 2022, 09:55:37 AM
This is the same playbook that Gonzaga ran for 20 years in recruiting. They have always mixed international talent in with American talent
Agree. However Sean Miller was the best Overall International recruiter over the past decade and he mixed higher level American talent with it. Tommy is either being out-recruited or simply aiming lower when it comes to American talent.
It isn't consider "aiming lower" if you are searching for local prospects that WANT to play for you (beyond one season). The one-and-dones destroyed all hopes of winning national titles in Tucson, during the course of a 6 season period from 2013-2019.
I don't even see any reason why one would think Lloyd is aiming lower.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on September 14, 2022, 07:18:12 AM
It isn't consider "aiming lower" if you are searching for local prospects that WANT to play for you (beyond one season). The one-and-dones destroyed all hopes of winning national titles in Tucson, during the course of a 6 season period from 2013-2019.
I remember Lute Olson recruiting Andre Iguodala who was a One and Done and that 2003 team was an 8 or 9 seed losing in the 1st round with Shakur, Salim, Hassan Adams, Iguodala, and Channing Frye as the starters. Then next year, Iguodala is gone and we get to the Elite 8 as a 2 seed? I forget, but Lute blows the 15pt lead with 3 minutes left to Illinois. Yet no one really dings Lute for that one. I guess the haters can always say.. well Miller never had a 15pt lead to blow with 3min left in an Elite 8 game. But he sure did coach 3 games down the final possession(s).
Wrong again. Andre played two years at Arizona, he wasn't a one and done. Who cares about Miller, he was a a mediocre coach and he's gone. I believe he's the HC at Xavier, maybe you should follow them. Your same takes week after week are tiresome. No one really cares, but you.
Why would you think that nobody dogs Lute for the Illini loss? It's the worst loss in our program's history and it was mentioned as recently as last season, when we played in Champagne.