I wanted to create a post where everyone can vent and talk about the recent shootings. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions, so lets not attacking one another. We should be able to agree to disagree.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/25/politics/steve-kerr-uvalde-texas-school-shooting-gun-control/index.html
I don't have any answers, but I feel comfortable saying we can't keep doing what we have been doing and somehow believe things might get better. I want nobodies effing guns taken away, but man it would be nice if it was a tad bit harder to get.
My child goes to a school that has an armed officer and you have to show your drivers license on camera to be buzzed in through a security door. Parents who pick their kids up early don't even enter the school as they simply call the classroom and have your child sent to the front. Why is this not the norm at every school?
I think people have to be more vigilant in society and speak up when they see things like that don't look right.
Firearms are the leading cause of death in children in the United States:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761)
Gun Violence by State
Based on the number of gun deaths per capita in 2019 alone, states with the most gun violence are:
Alaska - 24.4
Mississippi - 24.2
Wyoming - 22.3
New Mexico 22.3
Alabama - 22.2
Louisiana - 22.1
Missouri - 20.6
South Carolina - 19.9
Arkansas - 19.3
Montana - 19.3
Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
What Freedom Looks Like:
Thurston High School.
Columbine High School.
Heritage High School.
Deming Middle School.
Fort Gibson Middle School.
Buell Elementary School.
Lake Worth Middle School.
University of Arkansas.
Junipero Serra High School.
Santana High School.
Bishop Neumann High School.
Pacific Lutheran University.
Granite Hills High School.
Lew Wallace High School.
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School.
Appalachian School of Law.
Washington High School.
Conception Abbey.
Benjamin Tasker Middle School.
University of Arizona.
Lincoln High School.
John McDonogh High School.
Red Lion Area Junior High School.
Case Western Reserve University.
Rocori High School.
Ballou High School.
Randallstown High School.
Bowen High School.
Red Lake Senior High School.
Harlan Community Academy High School.
Campbell County High School.
Milwee Middle School.
Roseburg High School.
Pine Middle School.
Essex Elementary School.
Duquesne University.
Platte Canyon High School.
Weston High School.
West Nickel Mines School.
Joplin Memorial Middle School.
Henry Foss High School.
Compton Centennial High School.
Virginia Tech.
Success Tech Academy.
Miami Carol City Senior High School.
Hamilton High School.
Louisiana Technical College.
Mitchell High School.
E.O. Green Junior High School.
Northern Illinois University.
Lakota Middle School.
Knoxville Central High School.
Willoughby South High School.
Henry Ford High School.
University of Central Arkansas.
Dillard High School.
Dunbar High School.
Hampton University.
Harvard College.
Larose-Cut Off Middle School.
International Studies Academy.
Skyline College.
Discovery Middle School.
University of Alabama.
DeKalb School.
Deer Creek Middle School.
Ohio State University.
Mumford High School.
University of Texas.
Kelly Elementary School.
Marinette High School.
Aurora Central High School.
Millard South High School.
Martinsville West Middle School.
Worthing High School.
Millard South High School.
Highlands Intermediate School.
Cape Fear High School.
Chardon High School.
Episcopal School of Jacksonville.
Oikos University.
Hamilton High School.
Perry Hall School.
Normal Community High School.
University of South Alabama.
Banner Academy South.
University of Southern California.
Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School.
Taft Union High School.
Osborn High School.
Stevens Institute of Business and Arts.
Hazard Community and Technical College.
Chicago State University.
Lone Star College-North.
Cesar Chavez High School.
Price Middle School.
University of Central Florida.
New River Community College.
Grambling State University.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School.
Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy.
North Panola High School.
Carver High School.
Agape Christian Academy.
Sparks Middle School.
North Carolina A&T State University.
Stephenson High School.
Brashear High School.
West Orange High School.
Arapahoe High School.
Edison High School.
Liberty Technology Magnet High School.
Hillhouse High School.
Berrendo Middle School.
Purdue University.
South Carolina State University.
Los Angeles Valley College.
Charles F. Brush High School.
University of Southern California.
Georgia Regents University.
Academy of Knowledge Preschool.
Benjamin Banneker High School.
D. H. Conley High School.
East English Village Preparatory Academy.
Paine College.
Georgia Gwinnett College.
John F. Kennedy High School.
Seattle Pacific University.
Reynolds High School.
Indiana State University.
Albemarle High School.
Fern Creek Traditional High School.
Langston Hughes High School.
Marysville Pilchuck High School.
Florida State University.
Miami Carol City High School.
Rogers State University.
Rosemary Anderson High School.
Wisconsin Lutheran High School.
Frederick High School.
Tenaya Middle School.
Bethune-Cookman University.
Pershing Elementary School.
Wayne Community College.
J.B. Martin Middle School.
Southwestern Classical Academy.
Savannah State University.
Harrisburg High School.
Umpqua Community College.
Northern Arizona University.
Texas Southern University.
Tennessee State University.
Winston-Salem State University.
Mojave High School.
Lawrence Central High School. Franklin High School.
Muskegon Heights High School.
Independence High School.
Madison High School.
Antigo High School.
University of California-Los Angeles.
Jeremiah Burke High School.
Alpine High School.
Townville Elementary School.
Vigor High School.
Linden McKinley STEM Academy.
June Jordan High School for Equity.
Union Middle School.
Mueller Park Junior High School.
West Liberty-Salem High School.
University of Washington.
King City High School.
North Park Elementary School.
North Lake College.
Freeman High School.
Mattoon High School.
Rancho Tehama Elementary School.
Aztec High School.
Wake Forest University.
Italy High School.
NET Charter High School.
Marshall County High School.
Sal Castro Middle School.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Great Mills High School. Central Michigan University.
Huffman High School.
Frederick Douglass High School.
Forest High School.
Highland High School.
Dixon High School.
Santa Fe High School.
Noblesville West Middle School.
University of North Carolina Charlotte.
STEM School Highlands Ranch.
Edgewood High School.
Palm Beach Central High School.
Providence Career & Technical Academy.
Fairley High School (school bus).
Canyon Springs High School.
Dennis Intermediate School.
Florida International University.
Central Elementary School.
Cascade Middle School.
Davidson High School.
Prairie View A & M University.
Altascocita High School.
Central Academy of Excellence.
Cleveland High School.
Robert E. Lee High School.
Cheyenne South High School.
Grambling State University.
Blountsville Elementary School.
Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus).
Prescott High School.
College of the Mainland.
Wynbrooke Elementary School.
UNC Charlotte.
Riverview Florida (school bus).
Second Chance High School.
Carman-Ainsworth High School.
Williwaw Elementary School.
Monroe Clark Middle School.
Central Catholic High School.
Jeanette High School.
Eastern Hills High School.
DeAnza High School.
Ridgway High School.
Reginald F. Lewis High School.
Saugus High School.
Pleasantville High School.
Waukesha South High School.
Oshkosh High School.
Catholic Academy of New Haven.
Bellaire High School.
North Crowley High School. McAuliffe Elementary School.
South Oak Cliff High School.
Texas A&M University-Commerce.
Sonora High School.
Western Illinois University.
Oxford High School.
Robb Elementary School.
Formatted for clarity. What an extremely long, morbid list.
Do the math, I dare you! You prefer Freedom or communism?
Quote from: Dav on May 26, 2022, 06:05:59 AM
Do the math, I dare you! You prefer Freedom or communism?
What argument are you trying to present ?? What math are you considering ?
Death's caused by all the insane crazies (by what ever means) in America (Freedom) vs the death's caused by communism (joe bidenism).
The vast majority of non-communist countries don't have the staggering school shooting numbers that the United States has. Nice try.
Look, every single school shooting is tragic, but almost every one could have been prevented.
Security going in and out of school still does not exist at some schools.
The question of security vs freedom is very wrong! We secure just about everything that a few people consider important like money, while not securing our future at all. Why can we not secure our border? Do those making that decision really care at all about us? Just a question.
Some want all privacy ended in the name of security with constant surveillance of everything. That is not freedom.
The real organized crime in America and the world has taken over most of our government and the world's governments. If our governments valued our freedoms and our safety equally then we would not have many of these things happening. It is not about safety for the elite, it is about control! So before freely giving up the future freedoms of our children and grandchildren we should think deeply at the real cost.
People whine about their rights. What about my kids right to not die?
These school shootings hit close to home for me. I work at a High School as a guidance counselor. I really have no idea how to talk to teenagers about these sorts of things.
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Quote from: KansasCityCats on May 25, 2022, 02:13:58 PM
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/25/politics/steve-kerr-uvalde-texas-school-shooting-gun-control/index.html
And it's very personal for Steve as his father was murdered by gunshot in 1984. I'll NEVER forgive the ASU 'fans' for chanting "where's your daddy". Bob Weinhauer was furious as was Lute, and Steve wept on on the bench.
Something needs to be done. I just don't understand why some are opposed to more extensive background checks. I have a safe full of guns. Mostly older classics. I would have zero issue if I was told there would be a 'wait period' on a new purchase
Quote from: FOOS on May 26, 2022, 07:22:30 AM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on May 25, 2022, 02:13:58 PM
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/05/25/politics/steve-kerr-uvalde-texas-school-shooting-gun-control/index.html
And it's very personal for Steve as his father was murdered by gunshot in 1984. I'll NEVER forgive the ASU 'fans' for chanting "where's your daddy". Bob Weinhauer was furious as was Lute, and Steve wept on on the bench.
Something needs to be done. I just don't understand why some are opposed to more extensive background checks. I have a safe full of guns. Mostly older classics. I would have zero issue if I was told there would be a 'wait period' on a new purchase
ASU fans tend to naturally be massive dipshits. It's like par for the course for being an asu fan.
Exactly FOOS.
I'm a veteran of the US Army. I have personally owned several firearms also mostly long guns. But it's ludicrous that it's harder to drive a car than own a firearm in the US.
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 26, 2022, 07:42:56 AM
Exactly FOOS.
I'm a veteran of the US Army. I have personally owned several firearms also mostly long guns. But it's ludicrous that it's harder to drive a car than own a firearm in the US.
Please explain how its more difficult to drive a car than purchase a fire arm, I would love to hear it.
Why are judges, politicians, and people with money so highly protected yet they care nothing about children or the public in general?
Do not say it is about expense that we don't do it when we waste hundreds of billions of $$$$$$ in shit holes all around the world.
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 25, 2022, 10:44:37 PM
Gun Violence by State
Based on the number of gun deaths per capita in 2019 alone, states with the most gun violence are:
Alaska - 24.4
Mississippi - 24.2
Wyoming - 22.3
New Mexico 22.3
Alabama - 22.2
Louisiana - 22.1
Missouri - 20.6
South Carolina - 19.9
Arkansas - 19.3
Montana - 19.3
Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
How many of those deaths are due to inner city violence with illegal guns killing innocent children by standers? Do you know, do you care about those kids? I dont hear a word from any one when these kids are shot, only when it involves a suburban school. Dont pretend to give a shit when these school shootings happen when it sure doesnt seem like you give shit when innocents are shot every week.
Right Snow!
Not a word.
Quote from: SnowDen on May 26, 2022, 08:27:58 AM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 25, 2022, 10:44:37 PM
Gun Violence by State
Based on the number of gun deaths per capita in 2019 alone, states with the most gun violence are:
Alaska - 24.4
Mississippi - 24.2
Wyoming - 22.3
New Mexico 22.3
Alabama - 22.2
Louisiana - 22.1
Missouri - 20.6
South Carolina - 19.9
Arkansas - 19.3
Montana - 19.3
Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
How many of those deaths are due to inner city violence with illegal guns killing innocent children by standers? Do you know, do you care about those kids? I dont hear a word from any one when these kids are shot, only when it involves a suburban school. Dont pretend to give a shit when these school shootings happen when it sure doesnt seem like you give shit when innocents are shot every week.
I love you SnowDen and I respect you, but this is messed up. Yes I may not have a lot of "inner city" friends but you really think I don't care about innocent people getting shot every week? That's just not true. My wife's friend lost her son to a during an act of gun violence in Colorado. I was and still emotionally distraught over it. They are a beautiful family.
Link to story: https://gazette.com/news/crime/boy-killed-at-colorado-springs-skatepark-remembered-for-heroism-on-night-of-fatal-shooting/article_f3ad2c68-6f26-11ec-ad6b-bf14c879223c.html (https://gazette.com/news/crime/boy-killed-at-colorado-springs-skatepark-remembered-for-heroism-on-night-of-fatal-shooting/article_f3ad2c68-6f26-11ec-ad6b-bf14c879223c.html)
Quote from: azfan on May 26, 2022, 06:51:13 AM
These school shootings hit close to home for me. I work at a High School as a guidance counselor. I really have no idea how to talk to teenagers about these sorts of things.
my neighbor is a High School Psychologist for the Charlotte NC school districts. Between COVID these shootings she describes many of the the kids 'are a total train wreck" vs pre COVID
I'm a Navy vet who is also an expert in small arms, fired over 2m rounds in my time in the Navy and have only owned one gun, a walther ppq that sits in a safe collecting dust, but once a year when I retrain my wife on using it.
Guns have one purpose, never forget that.
Quote from: Wiidslifecoach on May 26, 2022, 10:36:13 AM
I'm a Navy vet who is also an expert in small arms, fired over 2m rounds in my time in the Navy and have only owned one gun, a walther ppq that sits in a safe collecting dust, but once a year when I retrain my wife on using it.
Guns have one purpose, never forget that.
Also a Navy vet. I got my wife a Sig Sauer P938. We do the same each year. Also - I took the concealed weapons class in AZ (when you had to have a lic to carry). The most important take away - all the reasons you don't want use your weapon. Its crazy to me AZ did away with the lic requirement to carry concealed
Let's take a look at Chicago which has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. How many people die every week? How many are kids? Yep gun control does NOT work. Criminals don't give a damn about the laws. Drunk drivers too!
Then lets look at California and NY, two of the strictest gun laws in the nation...seems like there were just a coulple of shootings there, what happened? Lots of gun free zones and laws to prevent this, correct?
The gun laws have progressively gotten stricter and stricter but yet the shootings are happening more and more, what happened? Thought these laws were designed to stop this from going on . If not enough what law would of stopped this?
I've heard lots of blame thrown around, but not once have I heard any one blame the shooter. I own a few fire arms and never have they left the safe, gone out and hurt any one all on their own, I needed to do something for them to fire...personnal responsibility.
Quote from: SnowDen on May 26, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
Then lets look at California and NY, two of the strictest gun laws in the nation...seems like there were just a coulple of shootings there, what happened? Lots of gun free zones and laws to prevent this, correct?
The gun laws have progressively gotten stricter and stricter but yet the shootings are happening more and more, what happened? Thought these laws were designed to stop this from going on . If not enough what law would of stopped this?
I've heard lots of blame thrown around, but not once have I heard any one blame the shooter. I own a few fire arms and never have they left the safe, gone out and hurt any one all on their own, I needed to do something for them to fire...personnal responsibility.
100% Snow
You ask yourself what specific policy or law would have prevented this event? A lot of times what people are proposing, if applied, would not have worked to solve the problem. In fact, it would have just suppressed the freedom of those individuals who follow the law.
Right now, a couple days after the event, we are still getting unclear information of what actually occurred.
But until we have clear information, there is no way you ask yourself what specific policy or law would have prevented this specific event?
Quote from: SnowDen on May 26, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
I've heard lots of blame thrown around, but not once have I heard any one blame the shooter. I own a few fire arms and never have they left the safe, gone out and hurt any one all on their own, I needed to do something for them to fire...personnal responsibility.
I agree. People need to demonstrate that they are capable of personnel responsibility to own and operate a firearm. Seems like a reasonable requirement.
It's going to come out that the responding uvalde cops failed on every level. Since columbine cops have been told to run towards the shooting if it is at a school, and you run towards it until the shooting stops. Not waiting 55 minutes to get a negotiator or proper gear, or even saving your own dawn kid instead of all of them like you swore to do.
Fixing cops is definitely one portion of the equation that fixes this mess.
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: SnowDen on May 26, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
I've heard lots of blame thrown around, but not once have I heard any one blame the shooter. I own a few fire arms and never have they left the safe, gone out and hurt any one all on their own, I needed to do something for them to fire...personnal responsibility.
I agree. People need to demonstrate that they are capable of personnel responsibility to own and operate a firearm. Seems like a reasonable requirement.
They don't need to demonstrate it, it's all just blind good faith. The problem.
Quote from: Wiidslifecoach on May 27, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: SnowDen on May 26, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
I've heard lots of blame thrown around, but not once have I heard any one blame the shooter. I own a few fire arms and never have they left the safe, gone out and hurt any one all on their own, I needed to do something for them to fire...personnal responsibility.
I agree. People need to demonstrate that they are capable of personnel responsibility to own and operate a firearm. Seems like a reasonable requirement.
They don't need to demonstrate it, it's all just blind good faith. The problem.
True, but invasion of privacy and violation of Constitutional Rights is plain wrong. If more people were carrying that would help. Why are so many shootings in gun free zones?
Look at what happened at a graduation party in W Virginia the last couple days. Guy pulled out an ar-15 and started shooting. Woman pulled her handgun and dropped him on the spot.
Until we as a country begin to hold people accountable in a serious manner, it won't matter.
We have no fault auto accidents, no fault divorce, excuses for everything, and the violent ones claiming to be the victims. When they are arrested they get off. Rye for an eye. Bring on the death sentence. The sheriff In Florida was right. If some one breaks in, shoot them dead on the spot. Save the tax payers lots of money!
Quote from: Little George on May 27, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Quote from: Wiidslifecoach on May 27, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: SnowDen on May 26, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
I've heard lots of blame thrown around, but not once have I heard any one blame the shooter. I own a few fire arms and never have they left the safe, gone out and hurt any one all on their own, I needed to do something for them to fire...personnal responsibility.
I agree. People need to demonstrate that they are capable of personnel responsibility to own and operate a firearm. Seems like a reasonable requirement.
They don't need to demonstrate it, it's all just blind good faith. The problem.
True, but invasion of privacy and violation of Constitutional Rights is plain wrong. If more people were carrying that would help. Why are so many shootings in gun free zones?
Look at what happened at a graduation party in W Virginia the last couple days. Guy pulled out an ar-15 and started shooting. Woman pulled her handgun and dropped him on the spot.
Until we as a country begin to hold people accountable in a serious manner, it won't matter.
We have no fault auto accidents, no fault divorce, excuses for everything, and the violent ones claiming to be the victims. When they are arrested they get off. Rye for an eye. Bring on the death sentence. The sheriff In Florida was right. If some one breaks in, shoot them dead on the spot. Save the tax payers lots of money!
How about we hold people accountable by making sure they aren't crazy and aren't violent criminals?
This is absolutely gut wretching.
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: Little George on May 27, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Quote from: Wiidslifecoach on May 27, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: SnowDen on May 26, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
I've heard lots of blame thrown around, but not once have I heard any one blame the shooter. I own a few fire arms and never have they left the safe, gone out and hurt any one all on their own, I needed to do something for them to fire...personnal responsibility.
I agree. People need to demonstrate that they are capable of personnel responsibility to own and operate a firearm. Seems like a reasonable requirement.
They don't need to demonstrate it, it's all just blind good faith. The problem.
True, but invasion of privacy and violation of Constitutional Rights is plain wrong. If more people were carrying that would help. Why are so many shootings in gun free zones?
Look at what happened at a graduation party in W Virginia the last couple days. Guy pulled out an ar-15 and started shooting. Woman pulled her handgun and dropped him on the spot.
Until we as a country begin to hold people accountable in a serious manner, it won't matter.
We have no fault auto accidents, no fault divorce, excuses for everything, and the violent ones claiming to be the victims. When they are arrested they get off. Rye for an eye. Bring on the death sentence. The sheriff In Florida was right. If some one breaks in, shoot them dead on the spot. Save the tax payers lots of money!
How about we hold people accountable by making sure they aren't crazy and aren't violent criminals?
Who makes those decisions?
After my Marine Corps days the Air Force wouldn't take me because I was a "trained killer". Is the military a good judge?
How about a court room with a judge? All depends on the judge and the day of the week it is. Maybe half the judges In this country are more corrupt than the people standing before them in court.
Politicians? That would be the shit blaming the fart for the horrible lasting smell in the room.
The FBI? CIA? Doesn't get any more corrupt than those two groups.
Let's face it, we live in a world of stupid and corruption. The answer will never be to disarm law abiding citizens.
Quote from: Little George on May 27, 2022, 09:28:13 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: Little George on May 27, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Quote from: Wiidslifecoach on May 27, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: SnowDen on May 26, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
I've heard lots of blame thrown around, but not once have I heard any one blame the shooter. I own a few fire arms and never have they left the safe, gone out and hurt any one all on their own, I needed to do something for them to fire...personnal responsibility.
I agree. People need to demonstrate that they are capable of personnel responsibility to own and operate a firearm. Seems like a reasonable requirement.
They don't need to demonstrate it, it's all just blind good faith. The problem.
True, but invasion of privacy and violation of Constitutional Rights is plain wrong. If more people were carrying that would help. Why are so many shootings in gun free zones?
Look at what happened at a graduation party in W Virginia the last couple days. Guy pulled out an ar-15 and started shooting. Woman pulled her handgun and dropped him on the spot.
Until we as a country begin to hold people accountable in a serious manner, it won't matter.
We have no fault auto accidents, no fault divorce, excuses for everything, and the violent ones claiming to be the victims. When they are arrested they get off. Rye for an eye. Bring on the death sentence. The sheriff In Florida was right. If some one breaks in, shoot them dead on the spot. Save the tax payers lots of money!
How about we hold people accountable by making sure they aren't crazy and aren't violent criminals?
Who makes those decisions?
After my Marine Corps days the Air Force wouldn't take me because I was a "trained killer". Is the military a good judge?
How about a court room with a judge? All depends on the judge and the day of the week it is. Maybe half the judges In this country are more corrupt than the people standing before them in court.
Politicians? That would be the shit blaming the fart for the horrible lasting smell in the room.
The FBI? CIA? Doesn't get any more corrupt than those two groups.
Let's face it, we live in a world of stupid and corruption. The answer will never be to disarm law abiding citizens.
Who makes the decisions to arrest and convict people now?
*LORD
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: Little George on May 27, 2022, 09:28:13 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: Little George on May 27, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Quote from: Wiidslifecoach on May 27, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: SnowDen on May 26, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
I've heard lots of blame thrown around, but not once have I heard any one blame the shooter. I own a few fire arms and never have they left the safe, gone out and hurt any one all on their own, I needed to do something for them to fire...personnal responsibility.
I agree. People need to demonstrate that they are capable of personnel responsibility to own and operate a firearm. Seems like a reasonable requirement.
They don't need to demonstrate it, it's all just blind good faith. The problem.
True, but invasion of privacy and violation of Constitutional Rights is plain wrong. If more people were carrying that would help. Why are so many shootings in gun free zones?
Look at what happened at a graduation party in W Virginia the last couple days. Guy pulled out an ar-15 and started shooting. Woman pulled her handgun and dropped him on the spot.
Until we as a country begin to hold people accountable in a serious manner, it won't matter.
We have no fault auto accidents, no fault divorce, excuses for everything, and the violent ones claiming to be the victims. When they are arrested they get off. Rye for an eye. Bring on the death sentence. The sheriff In Florida was right. If some one breaks in, shoot them dead on the spot. Save the tax payers lots of money!
How about we hold people accountable by making sure they aren't crazy and aren't violent criminals?
Who makes those decisions?
After my Marine Corps days the Air Force wouldn't take me because I was a "trained killer". Is the military a good judge?
How about a court room with a judge? All depends on the judge and the day of the week it is. Maybe half the judges In this country are more corrupt than the people standing before them in court.
Politicians? That would be the shit blaming the fart for the horrible lasting smell in the room.
The FBI? CIA? Doesn't get any more corrupt than those two groups.
Let's face it, we live in a world of stupid and corruption. The answer will never be to disarm law abiding citizens.
Who makes the decisions to arrest and convict people now?
Open your eyes, they may not be 'good' people.
It ALL needs to change!
Quote from: Little George on May 28, 2022, 06:51:37 AM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: Little George on May 27, 2022, 09:28:13 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 06:48:37 PM
Quote from: Little George on May 27, 2022, 02:26:54 PM
Quote from: Wiidslifecoach on May 27, 2022, 12:00:09 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 27, 2022, 07:30:15 AM
Quote from: SnowDen on May 26, 2022, 04:38:33 PM
I've heard lots of blame thrown around, but not once have I heard any one blame the shooter. I own a few fire arms and never have they left the safe, gone out and hurt any one all on their own, I needed to do something for them to fire...personnal responsibility.
I agree. People need to demonstrate that they are capable of personnel responsibility to own and operate a firearm. Seems like a reasonable requirement.
They don't need to demonstrate it, it's all just blind good faith. The problem.
True, but invasion of privacy and violation of Constitutional Rights is plain wrong. If more people were carrying that would help. Why are so many shootings in gun free zones?
Look at what happened at a graduation party in W Virginia the last couple days. Guy pulled out an ar-15 and started shooting. Woman pulled her handgun and dropped him on the spot.
Until we as a country begin to hold people accountable in a serious manner, it won't matter.
We have no fault auto accidents, no fault divorce, excuses for everything, and the violent ones claiming to be the victims. When they are arrested they get off. Rye for an eye. Bring on the death sentence. The sheriff In Florida was right. If some one breaks in, shoot them dead on the spot. Save the tax payers lots of money!
How about we hold people accountable by making sure they aren't crazy and aren't violent criminals?
Who makes those decisions?
After my Marine Corps days the Air Force wouldn't take me because I was a "trained killer". Is the military a good judge?
How about a court room with a judge? All depends on the judge and the day of the week it is. Maybe half the judges In this country are more corrupt than the people standing before them in court.
Politicians? That would be the shit blaming the fart for the horrible lasting smell in the room.
The FBI? CIA? Doesn't get any more corrupt than those two groups.
Let's face it, we live in a world of stupid and corruption. The answer will never be to disarm law abiding citizens.
Who makes the decisions to arrest and convict people now?
Open your eyes, they may not be 'good' people.
It ALL needs to change!
No system is perfect. What you are proposing would make us less safe unless there is a way to vett who is qualified to own a gun.
Now we are getting the truth?
This shooter self announced this four years ago? Said he would shoot up the school his senior year.
Police told to stand down, not enter the school?
Terrible loss of life for sure, but this was not handled right. It is likely being used for gun control politics.
We also found out recently that the Vegas shooting was FBI related. Hmmm
Of course some people saw that right away. They were called conspiracy theorists.
I do not depend on the fire department for safety. I have fire extinguishers in my home.
I do not depend on the police department the same way.
Quote from: Little George on May 28, 2022, 06:58:29 AM
Now we are getting the truth?
This shooter self announced this four years ago? Said he would shoot up the school his senior year.
Police told to stand down, not enter the school?
Terrible loss of life for sure, but this was not handled right. It is likely being used for gun control politics.
We also found out recently that the Vegas shooting was FBI related. Hmmm
Of course some people saw that right away. They were called conspiracy theorists.
You're literally proving my point now. IF the police new about it they could have prevented him from purchasing a firearm.
Quote from: Little George on May 28, 2022, 07:00:26 AM
I do not depend on the fire department for safety. I have fire extinguishers in my home.
I do not depend on the police department the same way.
This is why I am all for people who want to own a firearm go through a minimum of few hours of basic firearms safety training before purchasing a firearm so they don't accidentally shot themselves of have their kids accident shoot their friends.
Quote from: Little George on May 28, 2022, 06:58:29 AM
We also found out recently that the Vegas shooting was FBI related. Hmmm
I have not heard about this, could you elaborate on that statement?
Quote from: wc on May 28, 2022, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: Little George on May 28, 2022, 06:58:29 AM
We also found out recently that the Vegas shooting was FBI related. Hmmm
I have not heard about this, could you elaborate on that statement?
Exactly - Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
Quote from: FOOS on May 28, 2022, 09:10:30 AM
Quote from: wc on May 28, 2022, 08:53:57 AM
Quote from: Little George on May 28, 2022, 06:58:29 AM
We also found out recently that the Vegas shooting was FBI related. Hmmm
I have not heard about this, could you elaborate on that statement?
Exactly - Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
For what it's worth, Wikileaks makes this claim. One would hope Julian is off base, but who knows. Do I trust the FBI when it comes to being truthful? No way in hell. Why would any Arizona fan?
LG are you suggesting the FBI or some shadow agency is behind every school shooting in the US that posted? This is not a joke. People are really dying and we keep letting irresponsible people or people who are mentally ill buy firearms. This has got to stop.
I will post this again in case people missed it: Gun violence is the leading cause of death for children in the United States. That is unacceptable.
Source: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2201761
Bring back capital punishment and accountability and it will all improve!
Quote from: Little George on May 28, 2022, 07:51:27 PM
Bring back capital punishment and accountability and it will all improve!
So it's ok to have the government decide to kill people but not ok to have the government from stopping people from being killed? The mental gymnastics is astounding.
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 28, 2022, 08:13:13 PM
Quote from: Little George on May 28, 2022, 07:51:27 PM
Bring back capital punishment and accountability and it will all improve!
So it's ok to have the government decide to kill people but not ok to have the government from stopping people from being killed? The mental gymnastics is astounding.
The law! Yes the courts are corrupt, but IF we live by the law, then order is restored! The Constitution being the starring point.
See, the PEOPLE are supposed to hold government accountable. The media and government make anyone who oppose them out to be the bad guy, but that is exactly what is supposed to happen.
It makes NO sense to have laws that are not enforced.
Quote from: Little George on May 29, 2022, 12:36:05 AM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 28, 2022, 08:13:13 PM
Quote from: Little George on May 28, 2022, 07:51:27 PM
Bring back capital punishment and accountability and it will all improve!
So it's ok to have the government decide to kill people but not ok to have the government from stopping people from being killed? The mental gymnastics is astounding.
The law! Yes the courts are corrupt, but IF we live by the law, then order is restored! The Constitution being the starring point.
See, the PEOPLE are supposed to hold government accountable. The media and government make anyone who oppose them out to be the bad guy, but that is exactly what is supposed to happen.
It makes NO sense to have laws that are not enforced.
Look even though your logic makes no sense to me.
Capital punish is not correlated with any major reduction in gun violence:
Please refer back to the states with the most gun violence and cross-check that with which ones have legalized death penalty:
Gun violence rank in the US, Legalized death penalty
1. Alaska, No
2. Mississippi, Yes
3. Wyoming, Yes
4. New Mexico, No
5. Alabama, Yes
6. Louisiana, Yes
7. Missouri, Yes
8. South Carolina, Yes
9. Arkansas, Yes
10. Montana, Yes
And because the most recent school shooting was in Texas. Yes, Capital punishment is LEGAL IN TEXAS.
I will say it again. Gun violence is the leading cause of death of children in the United States. This has got to stop.
There will be more deaths period IF government thinks they can remove guns from the People.
Let me say that with real confidence!
When did I say all people shouldn't have guns? All I'm saying is proof that you're a responsible person before you purchase and operate a firearm.
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 29, 2022, 01:14:52 PM
When did I say all people shouldn't have guns? All I'm saying is proof that you're a responsible person before you purchase and operate a firearm.
You didn't, but many making that argument do swing that way. Also, I for one do not trust our government. Even on the statis of who is punished as you brought up earlier. But if we don't do our best to uphold the law and hold individuals accountable, we will never fix the issues. Seems criminals have no fear of the law anymore because it is never really held up.
Quote from: Little George on May 29, 2022, 08:30:33 PM
Quote from: AztecWildcat on May 29, 2022, 01:14:52 PM
When did I say all people shouldn't have guns? All I'm saying is proof that you're a responsible person before you purchase and operate a firearm.
You didn't, but many making that argument do swing that way. Also, I for one do not trust our government. Even on the statis of who is punished as you brought up earlier. But if we don't do our best to uphold the law and hold individuals accountable, we will never fix the issues. Seems criminals have no fear of the law anymore because it is never really held up.
I was not making the argument for a total gun ban. You were just jumping to conclusion. As a former military officer, I'm all for more funding for law enforcement to actually enforce the laws we have. But the even if we see a massive increase in enforcement we cannot put a LEO in every classroom, mall, church, and large gathering. If private citizens want to own and operate a firearm for protection, I'm also ok with that. But for christ sake we have some sort of reasonable expectation that someone isn't a complete nut job before we allow them to own and operate a firearm?
I certainly don't want just anyone carrying, but criminals will have theirs no matter.
In Texas, the gun came from the kids father. His dad was a felon. Gun was not legal. Laws do nothing in this case.
As a Vet you know they tend to target Vets for ptsd and want to disarm Vets. Never trust the VA that is for sure.
In WVa this week an armed woman dropped a man with an ar15 that wanted to shoot up a grad party. More open carry might be a good thing? Frankly the big blue cities have the strictest laws and the highest gun violence. Something doesn't add up.
I'd like to point out, the big liberals cities in other first world countries don't seem to have this problem. Remember growing up and not having to practice active shooter drills?
Another one in Tulsa.
This is unacceptable.
Man just the other night an officer was shot and killed while another officer was shot with a tribal member. This is the second offier to be killed in the line of duty in 3 years on my reservation.
Quote from: lsg_da_apache on June 04, 2022, 05:44:16 PM
Man just the other night an officer was shot and killed while another officer was shot with a tribal member. This is the second offier to be killed in the line of duty in 3 years on my reservation.
Sorry to hear about this LSG. Did you know the officer?
No I did not know the officer, I think he was from a different reservation from up north. But these days you can't let your guard down.
only in america would you have a thread for school shootings.