Is there election meddling going on?

[Little George]

Mass voter fraud includes lots of avenues.

I will wait and see what shakes out.

[ichi]

The level of nonsense in this thread is overwhelming

there is no evidence because it was a well-run clean election

y'all are undermining the very fabric of democracy, you're willing to support a would-be despot undo the votes of millions of Americans, without evidence

y'all are willing to shit on the good people who ran those elections, including Republicans, including the courts appointed by him, including staunch conservatives

you have been conned, you are being used, you are being lied to by the man you put your trust in

I feel bad for not only America, not only for the people around the world who used to hold American freedom and democracy up as their light, but for you, letting yourselves be abused

he didn't win, good Americans voted him out while keeping the downstream politicians who they support

but since his little tiny frail ego is vulnerable, and he wants to keep power over you, he's willing to tear the fabric of our society apart rather than accept fact

and you lap it up like little poodles, no facts, just baseless allegations

when he was yelling fraud to the cameras his lawyers were telling the courts no fraud, no court has overturned anything

what you want now is for the legislatures to overturn the will of the people because, without evidence, you believe there was fraud

imagine if a Democrat attempted to subvert the will of the voters by simply claiming, as he has and as you have parroted, that there is no way he could have gotten than many votes, so throw out the election and install electors

imagine if a Democrat tried to undo the vote, to have sympathetic legislatures install their preferred candidate - overturning the popular vote without evidence

bunch o fuckin hypocrites, bordering on sedition, you suck at being decent human beings and good Americans

[GoCatZ]

You are in denial. You will never believe there was voter fraud even if there is clear evidence and  there is a lot of evidence of voter fraud. Open your mind and realize that even Biden himself said they have put together the biggest voter fraud organization in American history. How can you explain this??? Check it out below.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/coalregioncanary.com/2020/11/12/joe-biden-quote-voter-fraud-organization/amp/

[Little George]

The fraud is with out a doubt real. Facts have been put out there. A witness in a crime trial states his or her testimony and it is proof enough. When Trump was accused of Collusion there was NO proof, yet most of America believed the lies. Was there collusion? Yes, between Hillary Clinton's campaign and Russia and other countries as well. Yet we still see that not a single lying FBI agent or Clinton, or anyone else has been charged. However we have dug for years to find anything we could make up against Trump and Flynn and others. You deny that?
Over 500 people have witnessed and sworn to the criminal fraud in this election. Eyes wide open? Those are testimonies that will stand in court IF judges allow it in there. Our judges are just as biased and corrupt in many cases and why Trump tried to put Constitutional judges in the courts with those appointments. Not political hacks that have sold their souls to the next bribe that comes along.

500 plus witnesses and you will still turn the other way and deny it. This is NOT a Trump thing. It is a total corruption thing within our government to advance a NWO. Every President since Carter has talked about it at some point except Reagan. It is not Republican Democrat either, as both are involved in selling your own damned country out from under our arses to a NWO in which China will have much control of. If it were up to me we would wipe them all out and start all over because the corruption goes so deep it is hard to tell the good from the bad. Kill everyone in congress and you would only lose, maybe, a few good people. Maybe. Ever wonder why and how so many people in congress are now MULTI-MILLIONAIRES? Sold us all out. Me, You, Your Kids and Grandkids. The next generation is F'd IF we do not turn that around. If it is not done the right way, it will be done another way and nobody wants that.

[ichi]

You will never believe there was voter fraud even if there is clear evidence and  there is a lot of evidence of voter fraud.

another example of how full of it you are

you don't know me, you're projecting your inability to deal onto me

if there was any evidence of ballot manipulation I would be pissed, I'd demand satisfaction in the form of severe incarceration for anyone found guilty

if there were evidence it would have been presented, conservative judges appointed by the prez would have seen it and followed through

500 plus witnesses and you will still turn the other way and deny it.

your 500 plus witnesses have all been debunked, they either presented hearsay from others or complained about minor technicalities that would not affect the outcome or they were completely ignorant of accepted procedures - none have stood up in court

and now you say that a judge appointed by him, a judge who is a long-standing member of the Federalist Society, a man known for his conservatism, lied and dismissed a lawsuit because he biased and corrupt?

and then claim I'm in denial, dude its pathetic and it would be hilarious except that your undermining American democracy
ps your Biden video is when he claimed to have put together an operation to fight voter fraud

Biden, Oct. 24: But one of the things that I think is most important is those who haven't voted yet, first of all go to IWILLVOTE.com to make a plan exactly how you're going to vote, where you're going to vote, when you're going to vote. Because it can get complicated, because the Republicans are doing everything they can to make it harder for people to vote — particularly people of color — to vote. So go to IWILLVOTE.com.

Secondly, we're in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration — President Obama's administration before this — we have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics. What the president is trying to do is discourage people from voting by implying that their vote won't be counted, it can't be counted, we're going to challenge it and all these things. If enough people vote, it's going to overwhelm the system.

You see what's happening now, you guys know it as well as I do, you see the long, long lines and early voting. You see the millions of people who have already cast a ballot. And so, don't be intimidated. If in fact you have any, any problem go to — and I don't have the number but it's 833-DEM-VOTE... Call that number. We have over a thousand lawyers, over a thousand of them, they'll answer the phone, if you think there's any challenge to your voting. Go to 833-DEM-VOTE, dial those letters on your phone. That will get you the assistance that we have already put in place.

so lets recap

you want to overturn an American election because you don't like the result, you believe there is fraud but cannot produce any evidence, you want legislatures to overwrite the will of the people but declaring your boy the winner, you think that anyone who doesn't support your effort is a crook, and all you can do is cry about Hilary? 

pathetic, in hoops you'd be down 420-69 and want the refs to call the game for you, and some guy is constantly posterizing you and you got nothing

[Little George]

Whatever!

Deny the facts. You must have believed the Peepee tapes stuff two.

Debunked is a statement the left uses whenever someone mentions the truth and they want to run from it.
The right is NOT the answer, but the left is the problem. Flush them both and start all over.

[ichi]

if you ever present a fact here I'll pay close heed, I love facts

you're wrong about a lot of things, like how I would react, like I'm a member of the left, like there was evidence, but you're unable to recognize this

I'm actually a hardcore 2A guy, I believe in a strong National defense and limited government - I consider myself a Constitutionalist if you must have a label cause I know you like to label people so you'll know whether or not their facts are real

and 'debunked' means that the facts do not support the assertion, it means its been shown to be false, but you need to demonize the nasty libs and find reassurance that facts are what don tells you, no need to question

The telephone call would have been laugh-out-loud ridiculous if it had not been so serious. When Tina Barton picked up, she found someone from President Trump's campaign asking her to sign a letter raising doubts about the results of the election.

The election that Ms. Barton as the Republican clerk of the small Michigan city of Rochester Hills had helped oversee. The election that she knew to be fair and accurate because she had helped make it so. The election that she had publicly defended amid threats that made her upgrade her home security system.

"Do you know who you're talking to right now?" she asked the campaign official.  Evidently not.

If the president hoped Republicans across the country would fall in line behind his false and farcical claims that the election was somehow rigged on a mammoth scale by a nefarious multinational conspiracy, he was in for a surprise. Republicans in Washington may have indulged Mr. Trump's fantastical assertions, but at the state and local level, Republicans played a critical role in resisting the mounting pressure from their own party to overturn the vote after Mr. Trump fell behind on Nov. 3.

The three weeks that followed tested American democracy and demonstrated that the two-century-old system is far more vulnerable to subversion than many had imagined even though the incumbent president lost by six million votes nationwide. But in the end, the system stood firm against the most intense assault from an aggrieved president in the nation's history because of a Republican city clerk in Michigan, a Republican secretary of state in Georgia, a Republican county supervisor in Arizona and Republican-appointed judges in Pennsylvania and elsewhere.

They refuted conspiracy theories, certified results, dismissed lawsuits and repudiated a president of their own party, leaving him to thunder about a supposed plot that would have had to include people who had voted for him, donated to him or even been appointed by him. The desperate effort to hang onto office over the will of the people effectively ended when his own director of the General Services Administration determined that Joseph R. Biden Jr. is the president-elect and a judge Mr. Trump put on the bench chastised him for ludicrous litigation.

"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy," Judge Stephanos Bibas, appointed by Mr. Trump in 2017, wrote for a three-judge panel of the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia on Friday as it dismissed the latest of dozens of legal claims filed by Mr. Trump and his allies. "Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."

Unfounded as it is, the president's campaign against the results may leave lasting scars. With much of the Republican establishment endorsing or staying silent on Mr. Trump's claims, and polls indicating that tens of millions of Republicans believe the election was somehow rigged, faith in American democracy, the fundamental tenet of the social contract established by the framers, has eroded in a dangerous way. And Mr. Biden, the incoming president, now faces a country where many of his constituents consider him illegitimate.

Those who defied Mr. Trump despite their own partisan backgrounds remain bruised by the experience too, in some cases questioning the political system that they have spent years upholding. They may pay a price if their fellow Republicans see what they did as acts of disloyalty rather than conscience. But those who have spoken out expressed no regrets.

"I've got a pretty thick skin, but it's hard not to feel shook by it all," Ms. Barton reflected the other day. "We take our job so seriously that it's devastating to us to have something like that happen. I cried every day for a week, every time I thought about it. My biggest concern was, we're already living in a time when so many people have so little confidence in the process and to give them more reason not to trust the results was absolutely devastating to me."

'Numbers Don't Lie'
The drama began within hours after the polls closed. The initial leads that Mr. Trump enjoyed in several battleground states began to dwindle as absentee and mail-in votes that favored Mr. Biden were slowly counted and added to the tallies released publicly. Mr. Trump portrayed the numbers as fraudulent and headed to court, filing lawsuits in multiple states.

In Arizona, where Trump allies complained that the use of Sharpie pens invalidated ballots because they bled through, Clint Hickman, the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors and a Republican, sent an open letter with a Democratic colleague saying they were "concerned about the misinformation spreading about the integrity of our elections."

Mark Brnovich, the state's Republican attorney general who is widely expected to run for governor in 2022, announced he would investigate the use of the Sharpies. A day later, he tweeted he was satisfied that the pens did not influence the election in any way.

Passions continued to rise. The Democratic secretary of state received threats to kill her family and pets and burn down her house. Mr. Hickman stepped up again, issuing another letter calling on Republicans to "dial back the rhetoric, rumors and false claims."

Rusty Bowers, the Republican speaker of the state House of Representatives, likewise pushed back against the conspiracies and resisted an "enormous amount of pressure" for lawmakers to choose their own electors to support Mr. Trump. "I took an oath to support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution and laws of the State of Arizona," he said.

In Georgia, Mr. Trump and his allies were blocked by Brad Raffensperger, the Republican secretary of state. A mild-mannered civil engineer, Mr. Raffensperger is a staunch conservative who won his office two years ago with an endorsement from Mr. Trump and a platform of Trumpian goals, including a promise to protect the voting system from illegal immigrants.

But he bristled at unfounded claims from Mr. Trump's team and other Republicans, including Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, who called for his resignation. Representative Doug Collins, a Republican who had just lost a challenge against Ms. Loeffler, took over Mr. Trump's efforts in Georgia and accused Mr. Raffensperger's office of setting rules that "seem to be changing as we go." Mr. Raffensperger took to Facebook to push back, calling Mr. Collins a "liar."

The dispute landed before Judge Steven D. Grimberg, who was nominated to the United States District Court by Mr. Trump and was a member of the Federalist Society, which has provided lists of conservatives from which the president has drawn his Supreme Court nominees.

But if the Trump camp believed it would find a sympathetic ear, it was disabused in the opening minutes of the hearing when the youthful judge seemed increasingly perturbed by the answers he received to his pointed questions. The suit "would require halting the certification results in a state election in which millions of people have voted," the judge noted.

The next day, Mr. Raffensperger spurned Mr. Trump and certified Mr. Biden's victory in Georgia. "Numbers don't lie," the secretary of state said. Gov. Brian Kemp, a Trump ally, then certified Georgia's electors for Mr. Biden while twisting himself to say that the decision now "paves the way for the Trump campaign to pursue other legal options."

In Pennsylvania, the legal efforts found no more traction. The week after the election, Mr. Trump and his allies lost seven cases in succession. By the next weekend, they ended up in federal court before Judge Matthew W. Brann, another Federalist Society member and conservative Republican appointed by President Barack Obama at the behest of a Republican senator.

Judge Brann called the Trump team's claim nothing more than "strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations" and refused to delay certification of the election. "In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state," he wrote. Judge Brann's ruling was the one upheld on Friday.

Mark Aronchick, a lawyer who represented the city of Philadelphia in several cases brought by the Trump campaign, said the past three weeks proved that the judicial system would not simply bend to the president's will.

"This period of time, with all the things that the Trump campaign were throwing, I viewed as very much a stress test on what I will shout from the rooftops is the best legal system the world has ever seen, in terms of independence of the judiciary and the rule of law," he said. "And at both the state and federal level, the system has come through with flying colors."
'The Real Cost Was in Voter Confidence'
Nowhere was the pressure more sustained than in Michigan even though Mr. Biden's margin of victory of 154,000 was greater there than in other contested states. At one point, two Republicans on the Wayne County elections board bowed to the president's wishes and refused to certify the results, only to reverse themselves later that night.
Mr. Trump then summoned the Republican leaders of the state legislature, the Senate majority leader, Mike Shirkey, and Speaker Lee Chatfield, to the White House in a bid to get lawmakers to substitute their own slate of electors. The two men, both rumored to be interested in higher office, were hesitant to go, according to people familiar with their thinking, but felt that if a president called, they had no choice.
Mr. Chatfield, 32, a graduate of Liberty University, the Christian school in Virginia founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, had been a vocal supporter of the president, even warming up the crowd at a rally in Muskegon before Mr. Trump arrived a week before the election. Mr. Shirkey, 65, has not been so visible, but had spoken at several rallies protesting coronavirus lockdown orders issued by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, including on the same day the F.B.I. announced that it had foiled a right-wing plot to kidnap her.
But they rebuffed Mr. Trump nonetheless, issuing a statement shortly after leaving the White House affirming that they had seen no evidence that would change the outcome of the election and would let the winner of the popular vote stand.
But the Trump team seized on any routine mistakes or far-fetched allegations to advance the cause. In Rochester Hills, in Oakland County, votes in one precinct were posted in the absentee tally and then also posted in the in-person total without first being removed from the absentee count.
The mistake was quickly caught and rectified before the results became official, but Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, claimed that "we found 2,000 ballots that had been given to Democrats, that were Republican ballots, due to a clerical error."

Ms. Barton, who has served as the Rochester Hills clerk for eight years, learned about Ms. McDaniel's comment from a reporter and promptly took to social media to rebut the "categorically false" assertion. "As a Republican, I am disturbed that this is intentionally being mischaracterized to undermine the election process," Ms. Barton said in a video she posted to Twitter, which was viewed more than 1.2 million times.

Ms. Barton, 49, is another graduate of Liberty University, where she earned a master's degree after graduating from Great Lakes University in Michigan. She posts Bible verses online and has said that "God orders my steps." She served for eight years as the deputy clerk in the Detroit suburb of Bloomfield Township before being appointed to the Rochester Hills post and has earned respect from both Republicans and Democrats.

She was initially reluctant to give Ms. McDaniel's claim any validity by responding but decided she had no choice. "In relaying the truth, I was going to be opening myself up to criticism and if I ever thought about running for office again, that would be impacted," she said. "But the real cost was in voter confidence. I told my deputy that all these things have to be put aside and I have to speak the truth."

Soon she found herself the target of profane and threatening emails and telephone calls, and while she took comfort that she was safe because her husband is a sheriff's deputy, they nonetheless upgraded the security system at home. "It's just devastating to see what the response has been to our profession and how we have come, as a country, to think that violence and threats is the answer," she said.

As an election official, she spent much of the last four years talking with other officials about cyberthreats to American democracy. Never, she said, did she realize that the real threat this year would come from within.
"But now we have to go back and rebuild voter trust and let people realize that our elections are not rigged," she said. "We have to step back and say how do we restore public confidence in a system that is completely torn down."

[KansasCityCats]

We found the same factual evidence in Hilary's "cheating" as we did Trump's collusion...none.

If you believe one has more facts than the other, you're clearly watching a biased news source.

The media is here to tear us apart and they obviously did their job.

Tell your kids to exclude the "in" from indivisible when they recite the pledge on Monday. In fact, tell them to take a knee

[FOOS]

if you ever present a fact here I'll pay close heed, I love facts

you're wrong about a lot of things, like how I would react, like I'm a member of the left, like there was evidence, but you're unable to recognize this

I'm actually a hardcore 2A guy, I believe in a strong National defense and limited government - I consider myself a Constitutionalist if you must have a label cause I know you like to label people so you'll know whether or not their facts are real

and 'debunked' means that the facts do not support the assertion, it means its been shown to be false, but you need to demonize the nasty libs and find reassurance that facts are what don tells you, no need to question

The telephone call would have been laugh-out-loud ridiculous if it had not been so serious. When Tina Barton picked up, she found someone from President Trump's campaign asking her to sign a letter raising doubts about the results of the election.

The election that Ms. Barton as the Republican clerk of the small Michigan city of Rochester Hills had helped oversee. The election that she knew to be fair and accurate because she had helped make it so. The election that she had publicly defended amid threats that made her upgrade her home security system.

"Do you know who you're talking to right now?" she asked the campaign official.  Evidently not.

If the president hoped Republicans across the country would fall in line behind his false and farcical claims that the election was somehow rigged on a mammoth scale by a nefarious multinational conspiracy, he was in for a surprise. Republicans in Washington may have indulged Mr. Trump's fantastical assertions, but at the state and local level, Republicans played a critical role in resisting the mounting pressure from their own party to overturn the vote after Mr. Trump fell behind on Nov. 3.

The three weeks that followed tested American democracy and demonstrated that the two-century-old system is far more vulnerable to subversion than many had imagined even though the incumbent president lost by six million votes nationwide. But in the end, the system stood firm against the most intense assault from an aggrieved president in the nation's history because of a Republican city clerk in Michigan, a Republican secretary of state in Georgia, a Republican county supervisor in Arizona and Republican-appointed judges in Pennsylvania and elsewhere.

They refuted conspiracy theories, certified results, dismissed lawsuits and repudiated a president of their own party, leaving him to thunder about a supposed plot that would have had to include people who had voted for him, donated to him or even been appointed by him. The desperate effort to hang onto office over the will of the people effectively ended when his own director of the General Services Administration determined that Joseph R. Biden Jr. is the president-elect and a judge Mr. Trump put on the bench chastised him for ludicrous litigation.

"Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy," Judge Stephanos Bibas, appointed by Mr. Trump in 2017, wrote for a three-judge panel of the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia on Friday as it dismissed the latest of dozens of legal claims filed by Mr. Trump and his allies. "Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."

Unfounded as it is, the president's campaign against the results may leave lasting scars. With much of the Republican establishment endorsing or staying silent on Mr. Trump's claims, and polls indicating that tens of millions of Republicans believe the election was somehow rigged, faith in American democracy, the fundamental tenet of the social contract established by the framers, has eroded in a dangerous way. And Mr. Biden, the incoming president, now faces a country where many of his constituents consider him illegitimate.

Those who defied Mr. Trump despite their own partisan backgrounds remain bruised by the experience too, in some cases questioning the political system that they have spent years upholding. They may pay a price if their fellow Republicans see what they did as acts of disloyalty rather than conscience. But those who have spoken out expressed no regrets.

"I've got a pretty thick skin, but it's hard not to feel shook by it all," Ms. Barton reflected the other day. "We take our job so seriously that it's devastating to us to have something like that happen. I cried every day for a week, every time I thought about it. My biggest concern was, we're already living in a time when so many people have so little confidence in the process and to give them more reason not to trust the results was absolutely devastating to me."

'Numbers Don't Lie'
The drama began within hours after the polls closed. The initial leads that Mr. Trump enjoyed in several battleground states began to dwindle as absentee and mail-in votes that favored Mr. Biden were slowly counted and added to the tallies released publicly. Mr. Trump portrayed the numbers as fraudulent and headed to court, filing lawsuits in multiple states.

In Arizona, where Trump allies complained that the use of Sharpie pens invalidated ballots because they bled through, Clint Hickman, the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors and a Republican, sent an open letter with a Democratic colleague saying they were "concerned about the misinformation spreading about the integrity of our elections."

Mark Brnovich, the state's Republican attorney general who is widely expected to run for governor in 2022, announced he would investigate the use of the Sharpies. A day later, he tweeted he was satisfied that the pens did not influence the election in any way.

Passions continued to rise. The Democratic secretary of state received threats to kill her family and pets and burn down her house. Mr. Hickman stepped up again, issuing another letter calling on Republicans to "dial back the rhetoric, rumors and false claims."

Rusty Bowers, the Republican speaker of the state House of Representatives, likewise pushed back against the conspiracies and resisted an "enormous amount of pressure" for lawmakers to choose their own electors to support Mr. Trump. "I took an oath to support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution and laws of the State of Arizona," he said.

In Georgia, Mr. Trump and his allies were blocked by Brad Raffensperger, the Republican secretary of state. A mild-mannered civil engineer, Mr. Raffensperger is a staunch conservative who won his office two years ago with an endorsement from Mr. Trump and a platform of Trumpian goals, including a promise to protect the voting system from illegal immigrants.

But he bristled at unfounded claims from Mr. Trump's team and other Republicans, including Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, who called for his resignation. Representative Doug Collins, a Republican who had just lost a challenge against Ms. Loeffler, took over Mr. Trump's efforts in Georgia and accused Mr. Raffensperger's office of setting rules that "seem to be changing as we go." Mr. Raffensperger took to Facebook to push back, calling Mr. Collins a "liar."

The dispute landed before Judge Steven D. Grimberg, who was nominated to the United States District Court by Mr. Trump and was a member of the Federalist Society, which has provided lists of conservatives from which the president has drawn his Supreme Court nominees.

But if the Trump camp believed it would find a sympathetic ear, it was disabused in the opening minutes of the hearing when the youthful judge seemed increasingly perturbed by the answers he received to his pointed questions. The suit "would require halting the certification results in a state election in which millions of people have voted," the judge noted.

The next day, Mr. Raffensperger spurned Mr. Trump and certified Mr. Biden's victory in Georgia. "Numbers don't lie," the secretary of state said. Gov. Brian Kemp, a Trump ally, then certified Georgia's electors for Mr. Biden while twisting himself to say that the decision now "paves the way for the Trump campaign to pursue other legal options."

In Pennsylvania, the legal efforts found no more traction. The week after the election, Mr. Trump and his allies lost seven cases in succession. By the next weekend, they ended up in federal court before Judge Matthew W. Brann, another Federalist Society member and conservative Republican appointed by President Barack Obama at the behest of a Republican senator.

Judge Brann called the Trump team's claim nothing more than "strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations" and refused to delay certification of the election. "In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state," he wrote. Judge Brann's ruling was the one upheld on Friday.

Mark Aronchick, a lawyer who represented the city of Philadelphia in several cases brought by the Trump campaign, said the past three weeks proved that the judicial system would not simply bend to the president's will.

"This period of time, with all the things that the Trump campaign were throwing, I viewed as very much a stress test on what I will shout from the rooftops is the best legal system the world has ever seen, in terms of independence of the judiciary and the rule of law," he said. "And at both the state and federal level, the system has come through with flying colors."
'The Real Cost Was in Voter Confidence'
Nowhere was the pressure more sustained than in Michigan even though Mr. Biden's margin of victory of 154,000 was greater there than in other contested states. At one point, two Republicans on the Wayne County elections board bowed to the president's wishes and refused to certify the results, only to reverse themselves later that night.
Mr. Trump then summoned the Republican leaders of the state legislature, the Senate majority leader, Mike Shirkey, and Speaker Lee Chatfield, to the White House in a bid to get lawmakers to substitute their own slate of electors. The two men, both rumored to be interested in higher office, were hesitant to go, according to people familiar with their thinking, but felt that if a president called, they had no choice.
Mr. Chatfield, 32, a graduate of Liberty University, the Christian school in Virginia founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, had been a vocal supporter of the president, even warming up the crowd at a rally in Muskegon before Mr. Trump arrived a week before the election. Mr. Shirkey, 65, has not been so visible, but had spoken at several rallies protesting coronavirus lockdown orders issued by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, including on the same day the F.B.I. announced that it had foiled a right-wing plot to kidnap her.
But they rebuffed Mr. Trump nonetheless, issuing a statement shortly after leaving the White House affirming that they had seen no evidence that would change the outcome of the election and would let the winner of the popular vote stand.
But the Trump team seized on any routine mistakes or far-fetched allegations to advance the cause. In Rochester Hills, in Oakland County, votes in one precinct were posted in the absentee tally and then also posted in the in-person total without first being removed from the absentee count.
The mistake was quickly caught and rectified before the results became official, but Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, claimed that "we found 2,000 ballots that had been given to Democrats, that were Republican ballots, due to a clerical error."

Ms. Barton, who has served as the Rochester Hills clerk for eight years, learned about Ms. McDaniel's comment from a reporter and promptly took to social media to rebut the "categorically false" assertion. "As a Republican, I am disturbed that this is intentionally being mischaracterized to undermine the election process," Ms. Barton said in a video she posted to Twitter, which was viewed more than 1.2 million times.

Ms. Barton, 49, is another graduate of Liberty University, where she earned a master's degree after graduating from Great Lakes University in Michigan. She posts Bible verses online and has said that "God orders my steps." She served for eight years as the deputy clerk in the Detroit suburb of Bloomfield Township before being appointed to the Rochester Hills post and has earned respect from both Republicans and Democrats.

She was initially reluctant to give Ms. McDaniel's claim any validity by responding but decided she had no choice. "In relaying the truth, I was going to be opening myself up to criticism and if I ever thought about running for office again, that would be impacted," she said. "But the real cost was in voter confidence. I told my deputy that all these things have to be put aside and I have to speak the truth."

Soon she found herself the target of profane and threatening emails and telephone calls, and while she took comfort that she was safe because her husband is a sheriff's deputy, they nonetheless upgraded the security system at home. "It's just devastating to see what the response has been to our profession and how we have come, as a country, to think that violence and threats is the answer," she said.

As an election official, she spent much of the last four years talking with other officials about cyberthreats to American democracy. Never, she said, did she realize that the real threat this year would come from within.
"But now we have to go back and rebuild voter trust and let people realize that our elections are not rigged," she said. "We have to step back and say how do we restore public confidence in a system that is completely torn down."

Hear Hear, Ichi.   I'd be wide open to seeing some actual evidence.  Even Trump appointed judges are tossing out cases

[KansasCityCats]

So far, the answer to this topic in the state of Arizona is "NO"

https://www.yahoo.com/news/arizona-certifies-biden-victory-state-184212316.html