Classic Tommy Loss

[Little George]

I love how the players miss open shots and make dumb turnovers and somehow it's Tommy's fault. I agree that this team has a low IQ.

Only in that a player will get a faster recognition of a mistake if there are consequences.  The consequences may very well be a spot on the bench for a short spell?

There is a difference between verbally addressing an issue and physically addressing it through pulling a player and letting him sit. Accountability has consequences. 

That falls totally upon Lloyd

[KansasCityCats]

Tommy Lloyd did exactly that. Conrad allowed an easy bucket and he sat for the rest of the game.

In the prior matchup, he did it to Stephen.

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Maybe Tom should ride the bench every
time he does something nonsensical.

[arxpert]

I love how the players miss open shots and make dumb turnovers and somehow it's Tommy's fault. I agree that this team has a low IQ.

The only reason I would blame Tommy at all for it is because he refused to adjust nor adapt. He did the whole definition of insanity thing and hoped to see a different result. That part is on Tommy.

Also Tommy has a very limited rotation. No one is getting "benched" for taking a 17ft jump shot instead of bricking a 3 or missing a layup with 4 guys crashing on him.

[arxpert]

Tommy Lloyd did exactly that. Conrad allowed an easy bucket and he sat for the rest of the game.

In the prior matchup, he did it to Stephen.

This comment right here is why we lose games. Tommy is punishing the 2 players who don't matter to anything.

OMG Conrad allowed an easy bucket 1 time. Let's ship him back to Spain while we are at it.

Sheesh. It's not like Love, Lewis, Bradley didn't allow anyone to score. Give me a break.

[KansasCityCats]

I agree that he pulls the plug too early but every possession in this specific game counted and Martinez didn't even switch; he just completely lost his guy.

Dug was a beast but generally speaking, our guards shut everybody down.  Most of that argument is evidenced by the 1 of 19 three-point shooting by the Purple Cats.

Great defense...but it doesn't matter when you can't hit your own shots.  I'm hoping we see more of Stephen when Arizona plays teams with an inside presence.  Houston won't be that matchup but possibly Kansas.  If Martinez sticks around, he'll definitely play a role next season.

[arxpert]

I agree that he pulls the plug too early but every possession in this specific game counted and Martinez didn't even switch; he just completely lost his guy.

Dug was a beast but generally speaking, our guards shut everybody down.  Most of that argument is evidenced by the 1 of 19 three-point shooting by the Purple Cats.

Great defense...but it doesn't matter when you can't hit your own shots.  I'm hoping we see more of Stephen when Arizona plays teams with an inside presence.  Houston won't be that matchup but possibly Kansas.  If Martinez sticks around, he'll definitely play a role next season.

I still don't think this game was unwinnable. Tommy refused to force KSU to make a 3 and I know you say that KSU making a 3 could have unlocked a barrage that would have blown the roof of the joint, but everyone knows no one wins in Manhattan. In that situation, we were equally as bad from 3, but the difference I saw was there weren't enough Open looks.

The inside cannot be clogged and the Outside be smothered at the same time.

Maybe our little Weave Around the Perimeter to get switches wasn't working, but when that is the case you need to have 1 guy who can run an offense and call plays.

It is literally OK to have Conrad, Love, Bradley dribble the air out of the ball if it means other players are moving without the ball.

Tommy's system doesn't reward the ole "Rip Hamilton" way where Rip/Ray Allen made a career out of running wild around screens and a PG finding them for a 15-17ft catch and shoot.

I seriously believe that description of an offensive play has almost entirely disappeared from basketball, but there is no reason that it can't exist as a "Go-To" for 5-8 shots in a game like we just played...

Have to have different looks for different scenarios. Can't just go to a little bit of a half court "press" to try to speed up KSU 5-8 times per game and not have something different on Offense too.

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Are they going to not play Stephen the rest of the year in an attempt to file an appeal to have his redshirt restored? If not, let the dude play a handful of minutes per game. E-Man fan is losing patience here.

[KansasCityCats]

Arizona was constantly moving without the ball and the PG was forced to dribble in circles.  We couldn't separate ourselves from the defender.  Those kids are just playing solid defense, regardless of how hard we slipped around screens.  Both teams played with intensity and it sucks to say that making THREE 3's in a 40-minute game could have been the difference in a road win...

[FOOS]

I agree that he pulls the plug too early but every possession in this specific game counted and Martinez didn't even switch; he just completely lost his guy.

Dug was a beast but generally speaking, our guards shut everybody down.  Most of that argument is evidenced by the 1 of 19 three-point shooting by the Purple Cats.

Great defense...but it doesn't matter when you can't hit your own shots.  I'm hoping we see more of Stephen when Arizona plays teams with an inside presence.  Houston won't be that matchup but possibly Kansas.  If Martinez sticks around, he'll definitely play a role next season.

I still don't think this game was unwinnable. Tommy refused to force KSU to make a 3 and I know you say that KSU making a 3 could have unlocked a barrage that would have blown the roof of the joint, but everyone knows no one wins in Manhattan. In that situation, we were equally as bad from 3, but the difference I saw was there weren't enough Open looks.

The inside cannot be clogged and the Outside be smothered at the same time.

Maybe our little Weave Around the Perimeter to get switches wasn't working, but when that is the case you need to have 1 guy who can run an offense and call plays.

It is literally OK to have Conrad, Love, Bradley dribble the air out of the ball if it means other players are moving without the ball.

Tommy's system doesn't reward the ole "Rip Hamilton" way where Rip/Ray Allen made a career out of running wild around screens and a PG finding them for a 15-17ft catch and shoot.

I seriously believe that description of an offensive play has almost entirely disappeared from basketball, but there is no reason that it can't exist as a "Go-To" for 5-8 shots in a game like we just played...

Have to have different looks for different scenarios. Can't just go to a little bit of a half court "press" to try to speed up KSU 5-8 times per game and not have something different on Offense too.

Totally winnable.  Just had to shoot somewhere close to our 3pt season average of ~31% vs ~5%