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[eggdog]

We've got the second best recruiting class coming in and should be top 10-ish pre-season team. Our program is fine. We can't control the narrative the media is trying to spin to protect Kansas, Duke and all of the other schools mentioned. We fired Book for taking money but the player he supposedly was going to pay played last season and Pasternack coached all year at UCSB (and actually did a heck of a job with that program).

[Liquidated]

We've got the second best recruiting class coming in and should be top 10-ish pre-season team. Our program is fine. We can't control the narrative the media is trying to spin to protect Kansas, Duke and all of the other schools mentioned. We fired Book for taking money but the player he supposedly was going to pay played last season and Pasternack coached all year at UCSB (and actually did a heck of a job with that program).

4 words:

National Collegiate Athletic Association

Post season play. Scholarships. Vacated wins (fortunately we didn't have that many to vacate)...etc.

[MDcAtZ]

We've got the second best recruiting class coming in and should be top 10-ish pre-season team. Our program is fine. We can't control the narrative the media is trying to spin to protect Kansas, Duke and all of the other schools mentioned. We fired Book for taking money but the player he supposedly was going to pay played last season and Pasternack coached all year at UCSB (and actually did a heck of a job with that program).

4 words:

National Collegiate Athletic Association

Post season play. Scholarships. Vacated wins (fortunately we didn't have that many to vacate)...etc.

As of February, the NCAA hasn't sent a Notice of Inquiry to Arizona (Unlike Louisville and Kansas). Considering all the colleges now involved, could be years, or never before they get around to Arizona.

Ultimately, concerning the whole corruption scandal, it appears Arizona should only have to worry about the Book issue. It's becoming clear there isn't any evidence to corroborate any other violation.

[eggdog]

If Book took money to steer players towards a financial advisor is that even an NCAA violation or just against the law?

[Little George]

If Book took money to steer players towards a financial advisor is that even an NCAA violation or just against the law?

Not if he did not pay the player. The player he was supposedly to pay went to Villanova and played this year meaning he did not get paid or he would not have played.

[eggdog]

If Book took money to steer players towards a financial advisor is that even an NCAA violation or just against the law?

Not if he did not pay the player. The player he was supposedly to pay went to Villanova and played this year meaning he did not get paid or he would not have played.

Thanks - that's what I was hoping.

[MDcAtZ]

If Book took money to steer players towards a financial advisor is that even an NCAA violation or just against the law?

Not if he did not pay the player. The player he was supposedly to pay went to Villanova and played this year meaning he did not get paid or he would not have played.

The question is whether Book violated NCAA Bylaw 10.1(e), which states:
(e) Receipt of benefits by an institutional staff member for facilitating or arranging a meeting between a student-athlete and an agent, financial advisor or a representative of an agent or advisor (e.g., "runner"); (Adopted: 1/9/96, Revised: 4/26/06)

He clearly accepted benefits... the question is, did a meeting between a player and Dawkins need to occur for there to be a violation?  In other words, we know Book intended to (in his own words) to direct players to Dawkins, and accepted benefits to do so. but does intent = violation if a meeting between a player and Dawkins never took place?

[Little George]

If we were UNC we would not be having this conversation. Because we are Arizona we are!
The inconsistency by the NCAA to rule just and fairly with all the member institutions is the real scam here on who is cheating the universities. So yea, we just do not know.

[Liquidated]

We've got the second best recruiting class coming in and should be top 10-ish pre-season team. Our program is fine. We can't control the narrative the media is trying to spin to protect Kansas, Duke and all of the other schools mentioned. We fired Book for taking money but the player he supposedly was going to pay played last season and Pasternack coached all year at UCSB (and actually did a heck of a job with that program).

4 words:

National Collegiate Athletic Association

Post season play. Scholarships. Vacated wins (fortunately we didn't have that many to vacate)...etc.

As of February, the NCAA hasn't sent a Notice of Inquiry to Arizona (Unlike Louisville and Kansas). Considering all the colleges now involved, could be years, or never before they get around to Arizona.

Ultimately, concerning the whole corruption scandal, it appears Arizona should only have to worry about the Book issue. It's becoming clear there isn't any evidence to corroborate any other violation.

We just saw the article in February that AZ was co operating with an ongoing NCAA investigation...

https://www.abc15.com/sports/report-ncaa-inquiry-into-arizona-wildcats-mens-basketball-is-underway

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/these-five-questions-will-dominate-arizona-wildcats-long-offseason/collection_a501c7c4-483f-11e9-a32d-ebe68fb0d818.html#3

So the investigation (inquiry) is already underway. I have not seen anything reporting that it has concluded.

And the issue is not whether Book technically violated the NCAA rules or not. Jerry Sandusky did not violate any NCAA rules and yet, somehow, the NCAA whacked Penn State ten years after the fact to punish a bunch of players and coaches who were not guilty of anything or had an association with Sandusky, except they worked at the same institution ten years later. The NCAA should have no jurisdiction over what Sandusky did - that needs to be court of law with no title IX bull shit and the ability to put a needle in his arm if its warranted. Keeping players from bowl games for 100 years and limited scholarships did not punish Sandusky. 

The NCAA will find, if they want to, plenty of reasons to hurt AZ. My concern is not the technicalities of whether they can or not, THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT, we are a voluntary member of the organization and if we wish to remain so, then we have to play by their capricious, made up rules. There are many, many examples of schools who got by with flat out major violations and felony law breaking that got no punishment at all (Miami FB wth cocaine and hookers for example) and some with tiny technicalities that should not have mattered that cost a program dearly (Ohio State FB players trading autographs for haircuts, brought down coach).

We now have a grossly deep and broad pattern of self reported misbehavior (Trier's PED's, Plane tickets, Pasternaks recruiting stuff, Books conviction, academic fraud, players accused of rape (title IX comes into play), and its the pattern that I worry the NCAA will use as grounds for deeper investigations and the pattern of misbehavior that I worry will lead them to maybe find some actual bad stuff.

It's not over. And the worst thing is that if the NCAA chooses to punish AZ, it could be next years team banned from the tournament or post season play or subsequent teams limited by scholarships or both....

They could just ignore it all, too. But the fact is there is an ongoing inquiry, it has not been resolved as far as I know and it is now in its fourth month...

[WILD]

Soon we won't have to post in this thread again.

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