Arizona’s Final Record in the B12

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What will Arizona's record be in the B12?

KansasCityCats

Krivas has a broken foot. We have three guys that are over 7' on scholarship, including a capable Veesaar (and the future in Stephen). There's nothing wrong with the frontcourt roster.

arxpert

Quote from: KansasCityCats on January 20, 2025, 05:39:23 AMKrivas has a broken foot. We have three guys that are over 7' on scholarship, including a capable Veesaar (and the future in Stephen). There's nothing wrong with the frontcourt roster.

Then you are admitting Tommy can't coach. Can't have it both ways. Either he can do the things that got him those 1 and 2 seeds or he isn't that "Coach".

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I find it hard to believe that Tom has just forgotten how to coach, but it sure as hell appears that way far too often.

KansasCityCats

Quote from: arxpert on January 20, 2025, 03:04:18 PM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on January 20, 2025, 05:39:23 AMKrivas has a broken foot. We have three guys that are over 7' on scholarship, including a capable Veesaar (and the future in Stephen). There's nothing wrong with the frontcourt roster.

Then you are admitting Tommy can't coach. Can't have it both ways. Either he can do the things that got him those 1 and 2 seeds or he isn't that "Coach".

I'm arguing that we have the right plays to throw a moon lob. That's all.

TucsonTruckStop

Quote from: KansasCityCats on January 20, 2025, 05:39:23 AMKrivas has a broken foot. We have three guys that are over 7' on scholarship, including a capable Veesaar (and the future in Stephen). There's nothing wrong with the frontcourt roster.
We could have 10 7 footers on the team, but if they don't play or can't play, it does not matter. Arizona is 92nd in rebounding %. We have to go way way back to find an AZ team that gives up so many offensive rebounds.
Everything about this front court is wrong. Every single front court player we have this year should be coming off the bench, and probably would be coming off the bench on past Lloyd/Miller teams.

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It actually makes perfect sense to suck so much ass at moonballing now that I think about it. Setting aside the fact that we are entirely inept at throwing simple post entry passes, the moonball also requires a post seal by the receiver. A post seal is basically the same exact concept as boxing out, a skill that Tom has seemingly tossed in the garbage can at Arizona. RIP to rebounding and, indirectly, the beloved Moonball.

arxpert

Quote from: TucsonTruckStop on January 20, 2025, 10:49:56 PM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on January 20, 2025, 05:39:23 AMKrivas has a broken foot. We have three guys that are over 7' on scholarship, including a capable Veesaar (and the future in Stephen). There's nothing wrong with the frontcourt roster.
We could have 10 7 footers on the team, but if they don't play or can't play, it does not matter. Arizona is 92nd in rebounding %. We have to go way way back to find an AZ team that gives up so many offensive rebounds.
Everything about this front court is wrong. Every single front court player we have this year should be coming off the bench, and probably would be coming off the bench on past Lloyd/Miller teams.

I agree. This is actually one of if not the biggest flaw in Tommy's coaching this season. He thinks that his guys are capable of it for some bizarre reason. They just aren't.

They haven't "earned" the benefit of any doubt by their play. They didn't learn anything in training camp nor practice. The very fundamental things that are mentioned here in Posting Up is impossible with the way Tommy has these guys playing and the selection of the players on the court.

This is why I keep saying that he needs to be adaptable and stop trying to force us into a track meet that we can't win.

arxpert

Quote from: |ᴘ|ʀ|ʏ|ᴍ|ᴇ| on January 20, 2025, 11:50:17 PMIt actually makes perfect sense to suck so much ass at moonballing now that I think about it. Setting aside the fact that we are entirely inept at throwing simple post entry passes, the moonball also requires a post seal by the receiver. A post seal is basically the same exact concept as boxing out, a skill that Tom has seemingly tossed in the garbage can at Arizona. RIP to rebounding and, indirectly, the beloved Moonball.

Yes, RIP to my coined Moonball Lob for this year. Tommy will go down with his ship instead of adapting to coaching to the strengths of the players he has to work with this season.

Mick Gollum's offense would be an excellent blueprint for how to play with what we have and mixing in our Presses defensively is definitely an effective way to put pressure on opponents that think they can just out-athlete us.

Carter is long and disruptive. KJ is a try-hard. Love could be forced to buy in on the press or see the bench.

I am not against Conrad and Bradley. I think Bradley and Love has run it's course. We are going to be punished into watching it the rest of the way though.

I think if Tommy uses the word "loyalty" or Caleb has "earned the right to see this through"... anything like that, then it is just a cop out. He doesn't want to take the blame for not adjusting and not adapting. So he is going to just let Caleb take all the blame.

I see through you Tommy Lloyd. You are not nearly as wholesome as you want people to think.

KansasCityCats

Arizona is 30th in D-1 in PPG, while playing the 8th toughest schedule.  "Something" is working on offense, despite having an awful 3PT%.

We're 21st in RPG (13th in O-RPG), so I don't understand how our frontcourt, who is missing our supposed best player, is that bad.

Yes, we give up waaaaaay too many offensive boards to our opponents, but that's partially attributed to the fact that opponents are forced to shoot bad 3's against us because we PREVENT them from getting easy buckets. 

Despite having a quick tempo on offense, we give up 68.7 PPG.  Our opponents score 8.2 3PT/game against us, which is 277th in D-1, and equivalent to ~24.6 PPG from deep.  Less 12.4 FT PPG, we are only giving up 12.2 PPG in the paint.  Compare that to Cincy's Top-10 defense, who gives up 34.8 PPG in the paint, despite having a paintfully slow tempo.

Our frontcourt is fine, although I think the defensive rebounding can vastly improve if Henri can stay out of foul trouble.

arxpert

Quote from: KansasCityCats on January 21, 2025, 07:32:20 AMArizona is 30th in D-1 in PPG, while playing the 8th toughest schedule.  "Something" is working on offense, despite having an awful 3PT%.

We're 21st in RPG (13th in O-RPG), so I don't understand how our frontcourt, who is missing our supposed best player, is that bad.

Yes, we give up waaaaaay too many offensive boards to our opponents, but that's partially attributed to the fact that opponents are forced to shoot bad 3's against us because we PREVENT them from getting easy buckets. 

Despite having a quick tempo on offense, we give up 68.7 PPG.  Our opponents score 8.2 3PT/game against us, which is 277th in D-1, and equivalent to ~24.6 PPG from deep.  Less 12.4 FT PPG, we are only giving up 12.2 PPG in the paint.  Compare that to Cincy's Top-10 defense, who gives up 34.8 PPG in the paint, despite having a paintfully slow tempo.

Our frontcourt is fine, although I think the defensive rebounding can vastly improve if Henri can stay out of foul trouble.

Again, there is no foul trouble on this team. Refs adjust. They will not foul a player out with 4 fouls and 15 minutes to go in the 2nd unless the dude goes unhinged. You think it is a NBA concept, but it is just a basketball concept.

We got 2 cheapies on NORCHAD of Baylor and were able to play an undermanned team as a result. Every player that mattered on that team finished with 4 fouls. Everyone knows the refs could have hit any of the top 5 guys on that team with a 5th foul for any reason. They didn't. They read the room. They know how to call games. There is a foul every play. They don't call them.

So playing scared of 2 or 3 fouls is just the wrong way to coach. Especially when you do have "E-MAN" on the bench. He isn't even given a shot to go out there and impose any will. Anyone can set a pick. E-Man is not so far underdeveloped he can't set a pick.

Tommy's system dares opponent's to take 3's. These days, players hit them more often. That's all. It's not deeper than that. Our front court is moot when shots fall when it comes to rebounding. If they won't defend the perimeter and force players to attack our "front court" offensively, then we get what we deserve.


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