Sean Miller has achieved legendary status

[arxpert]

Sean Miller's final sacrifices to the program has set up the school for unlimited success.

What a glorious day of total vindication for Sean Miller and the University of Arizona. Tommy Lloyd has all the tools to get the program over the top going forward. No excuses. It's a great day to have been on the right side of history.

"I have never knowingly violated NCAA rules while serving as head coach of this great program. I have never paid a recruit or prospect or their family or a representative to come to Arizona. I never have and I never will."

This statement should be on a bronze plaque in McKale. There has been no bigger impactful statement ever made in UofA Men's Basketball history that that one right there. It is almost up there with "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind" as far as I'm concerned.

[KansasCityCats]

Yeah, Lute Olson didn't set up future coaches for success...it was the guy that was blatantly responsible for not winning a single NCAA tournament game over a four season span.

If Lloyd accomplishes a negative streak like that, you'd throw him under the bus immediately.

Miller did an amazing job of salvaging the program after lute's health quickly deteriorated. Without Miller, it may have taken longer for Arizona to recover. I appreciate his consistency and success. Most of all, I loved miller's passion. Regardless, he doesn't deserve credit for Arizona's future accomplishments, with the exception of a recruiting Tubelis and Kerr.

[arxpert]

Yeah, Lute Olson didn't set up future coaches for success...it was the guy that was blatantly responsible for not winning a single NCAA tournament game over a four season span.

If Lloyd accomplishes a negative streak like that, you'd throw him under the bus immediately.

Miller did an amazing job of salvaging the program after lute's health quickly deteriorated. Without Miller, it may have taken longer for Arizona to recover. I appreciate his consistency and success. Most of all, I loved miller's passion. Regardless, he doesn't deserve credit for Arizona's future accomplishments, with the exception of a recruiting Tubelis and Kerr.

Miller certainly deserves credit for any success until the final players he brought in are gone and then he also deserves ongoing credit because he is the greatest international recruiter of all time and did it in a very short period of time. He invented the concept of the team we have now from a player standpoint. ForeignerU will not last forever. We will eventually add more Americans, but Tommy hit the ground running due to Miller and that is absolutely undeniable.

I believe Arizona was able to withstand and stave off becoming fully irrelevant because of the hiring of Miller after the dark years after Lute. Considering Arizona had absolutely no notable Success since around 2001 I believe (2005 15pt meltdown with 3:30 to go missing the Final 4 under Lute). The lore of the program has some Final 4s at the end of long put together roster cores then 1 magical run in 1997 when we were 5th in the Pac10 I believe and nothing special by any means. Won the first 2 rounds vs 13 and 12 seeds after trailing by double digits in the 2nd half of both of those games before going on to winning those 1 seeded games (and nasty Providence). So it wasn't exactly like Arizona was ever a pure juggernaut.

Right now Tommy has a big opportunity to keep Arizona on top the way Gonzaga is. I will be very disappointed if he squanders it after the incredible head start Sean Miller gave him and with virtually no fallout/sanctions going forward of circumstance it really all falls on Tommy L to maintain what he is accomplishing.

Check back in 5 years and see if we have at least 2 Final 4s and a National Title. That seems to be a reasonable trajectory for where this began under Tommy. If not then I personally will accept Pac12 titles and Pac12 Tourney Banners, but I know that those mean very little to most of you out there. I feel like the recruits have no reason to not want to attend at this point unless there is something unappealing about Tommy. The system is that which can get you to the NBA. The players are NBA caliber. No, we aren't in need of any 1 single player to showcase themselves, but in this system you can clearly be a lottery pick if you just play well as the tape doesn't lie and the NBA notices those who are able to play right away.

[arxpert]

Yeah, Lute Olson didn't set up future coaches for success...it was the guy that was blatantly responsible for not winning a single NCAA tournament game over a four season span.

If Lloyd accomplishes a negative streak like that, you'd throw him under the bus immediately.

Miller did an amazing job of salvaging the program after lute's health quickly deteriorated. Without Miller, it may have taken longer for Arizona to recover. I appreciate his consistency and success. Most of all, I loved miller's passion. Regardless, he doesn't deserve credit for Arizona's future accomplishments, with the exception of a recruiting Tubelis and Kerr.

Miller certainly deserves credit for any success until the final players he brought in are gone and then he also deserves ongoing credit because he is the greatest international recruiter of all time and did it in a very short period of time. He invented the concept of the team we have now from a player standpoint. ForeignerU will not last forever. We will eventually add more Americans, but Tommy hit the ground running due to Miller and that is absolutely undeniable.

I believe Arizona was able to withstand and stave off becoming fully irrelevant because of the hiring of Miller after the dark years after Lute. Considering Arizona had absolutely no notable Success since around 2001 I believe (2005 15pt meltdown with 3:30 to go missing the Final 4 under Lute). The lore of the program has some Final 4s at the end of long put together roster cores then 1 magical run in 1997 when we were 5th in the Pac10 I believe and nothing special by any means. Won the first 2 rounds vs 13 and 12 seeds after trailing by double digits in the 2nd half of both of those games before going on to winning those 1 seeded games (and nasty Providence). So it wasn't exactly like Arizona was ever a pure juggernaut.

Right now Tommy has a big opportunity to keep Arizona on top the way Gonzaga is. I will be very disappointed if he squanders it after the incredible head start Sean Miller gave him and with virtually no fallout/sanctions going forward of circumstance it really all falls on Tommy L to maintain what he is accomplishing.

Check back in 5 years and see if we have at least 2 Final 4s and a National Title. That seems to be a reasonable trajectory for where this began under Tommy. If not then I personally will accept Pac12 titles and Pac12 Tourney Banners, but I know that those mean very little to most of you out there. I feel like the recruits have no reason to not want to attend at this point unless there is something unappealing about Tommy. The system is that which can get you to the NBA. The players are NBA caliber. No, we aren't in need of any 1 single player to showcase themselves, but in this system you can clearly be a lottery pick if you just play well as the tape doesn't lie and the NBA notices those who are able to play right away.

I might also add that Lute has the worst loss in Arizona history as a 2 seed to a 15 seed and no Steve Nash didn't put up 40 points and 20 assists in that game. They just laid the mother of all eggs. It happens. I put very little stock into the big dance and again - we are not some juggernaut that has like 10 National Titles or 15 Final 4s etc. We are just a culture of a program and I hope Tommy can continue it even if it looks Foreign. The sport has changed since the Chef Curry era began. Players (slashers, dunkers, and and-1 dribblers) don't have to be from South Central LA or the Rucker Park area anymore to be effective.

[KansasCityCats]

Those are lofty expectations for Lloyd, considering the fact that Miller couldn't make a final four during the "greatest recruiting era" in our history.

Losing to Buffalo with the team that was heavily favored to win a title is drastically more embarrassing than the '05 meltdown. At least the Cats had already won a few high level games, prior to giving the Illinois game away.

[FOOS]

Sean Miller's final sacrifices to the program has set up the school for unlimited success.

What a glorious day of total vindication for Sean Miller and the University of Arizona. Tommy Lloyd has all the tools to get the program over the top going forward. No excuses. It's a great day to have been on the right side of history.

"I have never knowingly violated NCAA rules while serving as head coach of this great program. I have never paid a recruit or prospect or their family or a representative to come to Arizona. I never have and I never will."

Your infatuation with Miller is astonishing.  "Infamous" is a better word than "legendary" .  "Infamous" is how he will be remembered at Arizona

This statement should be on a bronze plaque in McKale. There has been no bigger impactful statement ever made in UofA Men's Basketball history that that one right there. It is almost up there with "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind" as far as I'm concerned.

[FOOS]

Sean Miller's final sacrifices to the program has set up the school for unlimited success.

What a glorious day of total vindication for Sean Miller and the University of Arizona. Tommy Lloyd has all the tools to get the program over the top going forward. No excuses. It's a great day to have been on the right side of history.

"I have never knowingly violated NCAA rules while serving as head coach of this great program. I have never paid a recruit or prospect or their family or a representative to come to Arizona. I never have and I never will."

Your infatuation with Miller is astonishing.  "Infamous" is a better word than "legendary" .  "Infamous" is how he will be remembered at Arizona

This statement should be on a bronze plaque in McKale. There has been no bigger impactful statement ever made in UofA Men's Basketball history that that one right there. It is almost up there with "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind" as far as I'm concerned.

Meant to post this at the bottom...


Your infatuation with Miller is astonishing.  "Infamous" is a better word than "legendary" .  "Infamous" is how he will be remembered at Arizona

[Bkatt]

Legendary is probably a too strong a word.
Infamous is also too strong a word.
I would say Sean Miller is a good Coach. We just have a better one now.

[FOOS]

Legendary is probably a too strong a word.
Infamous is also too strong a word.
I would say Sean Miller is a good Coach. We just have a better one now.

For me the first thing I think of when I hear his name or see him is "The FBI scandal".  He's gonna carry that moniker forever. 

Glad we have Tommy and can move forward

[arxpert]

Those are lofty expectations for Lloyd, considering the fact that Miller couldn't make a final four during the "greatest recruiting era" in our history.

Losing to Buffalo with the team that was heavily favored to win a title is drastically more embarrassing than the '05 meltdown. At least the Cats had already won a few high level games, prior to giving the Illinois game away.

What I really want to know is - How was a 4 seeded Arizona heavily favored to win a National Title? LOL

Arizona was a 2 seed I believe the year squandering that 15pt lead just like it was a 1 and 2 seed losing to Wisconsin 2 years in a row I believe. Getting to the Elite 8 as a 1 or 2 seed is expected. Par for the course. Not advancing because you lost by a bucket or 2? I don't think that's a coaches fault. Did Coach K throw the Grant Hill to Laettner pass? Did Coach K catch it, turn around and shoot the ball? All coaches draw up plays. For example, Derrick Williams had a wide open 3pt shot vs UConn. We came down to the final shots missed vs Wisconsin and missed our shots. Ive come to the conclusion that some people think that the coach is the only factor in those moments because they see that the coach stays at a school and achieves a legendary status longer than the players. But the fact is the players make the plays. No coach will ever say they won the game. It's always the kids. It's always the players they talk about in those post game speeches.

Everyone knows the 4 and 5 seeds are basically 55/45 games in the opening round and only 1 can go to the 2nd weekend. So the odds of advancing to the 2nd weekend are far lower.

And if you don't agree then you are taking away from the 1997 Title when Arizona was down 10+ in the 2nd half to a 13 and 12 seed before the Sweet 16. They barely survived to that second weekend.