https://twitter.com/SportsPac12/status/1155284925899128832
Colorado...#2?!
No transfers in, a one man recruiting class and a player that had zero stars, and the 88th best recruiting class last year.
I like Bey and Wright is good...but they seem like they are on the edge of the abyss.
Washington....#4?!
On paper they have more talent than any PAC12 school and Hopkins has proven he can coach.
Load of crap. Arizona/Washington should vie for the title..... CO #2 ? that's nuts
Also - I think Josh Green makes ALL-PAC12
Nico will not make the 1st team All Pac12 if he is averaging 10-12ppg like most people have predicted here. Even 12-13ppg. He will need to be a much bigger force and reason why Arizona is up top for this to be an accurate prediction. But I digress.
Nico is a Superstar. Not an average college PG. Maybe someone besides Pryme will agree at somepoint.
I like Arizona number one I think Washington number 2 USC 3 Oregon 4 an Colorado 5 i think USC an Washington have alot of talent an deserve to be higher.
Quote from: arxpert on July 28, 2019, 11:43:49 PM
Nico will not make the 1st team All Pac12 if he is averaging 10-12ppg like most people have predicted here. Even 12-13ppg. He will need to be a much bigger force and reason why Arizona is up top for this to be an accurate prediction. But I digress.
Nico is a Superstar. Not an average college PG. Maybe someone besides Pryme will agree at somepoint.
http://playersprogramu.com/arizona-wildcats-basketball/how-many-points-rebounds-assists-do-you-think-nico-manion-will-average/
Those sound like Liquidated stats (in a sense that they are fabricated).
I'm pretty sure 2 people predicted less than 13.5 PPG. Most everybody else here thinks 14-18.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on July 29, 2019, 06:32:40 AM
Quote from: arxpert on July 28, 2019, 11:43:49 PM
Nico will not make the 1st team All Pac12 if he is averaging 10-12ppg like most people have predicted here. Even 12-13ppg. He will need to be a much bigger force and reason why Arizona is up top for this to be an accurate prediction. But I digress.
Nico is a Superstar. Not an average college PG. Maybe someone besides Pryme will agree at somepoint.
http://playersprogramu.com/arizona-wildcats-basketball/how-many-points-rebounds-assists-do-you-think-nico-manion-will-average/
Those sound like Liquidated stats (in a sense that they are fabricated).
I'm pretty sure 2 people predicted less than 13.5 PPG. Most everybody else here thinks 14-18.
Please cite anytime my stats have been inaccurate...
Quote from: Liquidated on July 27, 2019, 11:23:40 PM
Colorado...#2?!
No transfers in, a one man recruiting class and a player that had zero stars, and the 88th best recruiting class last year.
I like Bey and Wright is good...but they seem like they are on the edge of the abyss.
Washington....#4?!
On paper they have more talent than any PAC12 school and Hopkins has proven he can coach.
I agree with liquid. Whoa.
Personally I think Arizona, Washington, and Oregon are going 123 in some order. Colorado is not gonna be #2.
It took me a whole day to come to terms with that first statement. ;D
Quote from: Liquidated on July 29, 2019, 07:15:07 AM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on July 29, 2019, 06:32:40 AM
Quote from: arxpert on July 28, 2019, 11:43:49 PM
Nico will not make the 1st team All Pac12 if he is averaging 10-12ppg like most people have predicted here. Even 12-13ppg. He will need to be a much bigger force and reason why Arizona is up top for this to be an accurate prediction. But I digress.
Nico is a Superstar. Not an average college PG. Maybe someone besides Pryme will agree at somepoint.
http://playersprogramu.com/arizona-wildcats-basketball/how-many-points-rebounds-assists-do-you-think-nico-manion-will-average/
Those sound like Liquidated stats (in a sense that they are fabricated).
I'm pretty sure 2 people predicted less than 13.5 PPG. Most everybody else here thinks 14-18.
Please cite anytime my stats have been inaccurate...
I'm just joking. Everybody here always gives you a hard time for coming up with (mostly recruiting) numbers, so I thought I'd have fun with it.
BTW, Colorado is way too high. They have a few nice pieces, but not enough depth to compete with the above-mentioned...
I got
1. Zona
2. UDub
3. Oregon
Those are also the only Pac schools dancing this year I'm guessing.
We're never favored, we've always had the target. We have a good blend of youth and experience. They (UDub) have a good blend of experienced, in-experience. We are depending on a Freshmen back court or who? DD and Smith, sorry haven't kept up with this evolving door. IMO freshmen back courts are never the answer however, I have been totally wrong on one other occasion so, who knows. This year we probably are the best the PAC has to offer and if the freshmen are allowed to develop, they'll be ready by tourney time.
You're right. Freshmen backcourts are generally detrimental to winning titles...but it isn't impossible if you have a recruiting class that is considered "special".
2014-15 Dook had Tyus Jones and Tripper Allen
2011-12 Kentucky had Kidd-Gilchrist and Marquis Teague
2010-11 UCONN had Lamb and Napier (although Kemba ran the show)
2002-03 Syracuse had McNamara & Melo
I think we have a nice balance of upperclassmen and elite freshmen. Despite having a lack of PG depth (unless B-Will steps in and stays healthy), Arizona has a legit shot at Miller's first Final Four.
that balance of experienced upperclassmen and multi-starred freshman can be a very good thing, but like we saw two years ago it also takes the right chemistry, and then add in the coaching/development/off-court stuff ...
I see a typical conference season on-court, we win most/all at home and lose a close one or two to Oregon or Washington and then one more sleeper loss to a bottom half team that plays the game of their season, because 'target'
we win the conference season title and play in the title game in Vegas, go into the tourney ranked in the top 20 for a 4-5 seed
For some reason I think Miller's due for an ejection, this might be a good year for that, along with another dramatic exit by Bobby, hopefully at McKale
all predictions are pulled out of my butt, just like every 'journalist' or talking head's rankings and predictions, and are not meant to be taken seriously, just sit back and let it unfold
Quote from: KansasCityCats on July 29, 2019, 03:26:48 PM
You're right. Freshmen backcourts are generally detrimental to winning titles...but it isn't impossible if you have a recruiting class that is considered "special".
2014-15 Dook had Tyus Jones and Tripper Allen
2011-12 Kentucky had Kidd-Gilchrist and Marquis Teague
2010-11 UCONN had Lamb and Napier (although Kemba ran the show)
2002-03 Syracuse had McNamara & Melo
I think we have a nice balance of upperclassmen and elite freshmen. Despite having a lack of PG depth (unless B-Will steps in and stays healthy), Arizona has a legit shot at Miller's first Final Four.
...and there was that 2006-2007 team at Arizona lead by Freshmen Mike Bibby.
Quote from: PBCatfan on July 29, 2019, 10:42:48 AM
I got
1. Zona
2. UDub
3. Oregon
Those are also the only Pac schools dancing this year I'm guessing.
Really? No USC?
UCLA has the talent to make it...
It is interesting...a 6th place team in conference with 3 tournament teams probably has less chance than that same team with the same record if 4 or 5 make the tournament...
I think we can land 5 or 6 again... Some of last year HAS to have been fluke.
Sports Illustrated has:
Colorado
Arizona
Oregon
Washington
Trojans
Tempe Normal
UCLA
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/07/23/pac-12-rankings-arizona-colorado-oregon-washington
which Buffalo said that Arizona wasn't that good after we beat them? I can't remember but he was a punk
Quote from: ichi on July 29, 2019, 10:47:48 PM
Sports Illustrated has:
Colorado
Arizona
Oregon
Washington
Trojans
Tempe Normal
UCLA
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/07/23/pac-12-rankings-arizona-colorado-oregon-washington
which Buffalo said that Arizona wasn't that good after we beat them? I can't remember but he was a punk
SI is picking Colorado based purely on the fact that they finished last season strong... ignoring it was the worst year in P12 history, and teams reloaded with major talent while CO did absolutely nothing in terms of recruiting. It lazy "rear view mirror" analysis.
Picking Colorado that high has me freaked out enough to double check everything... they really did not add anything and lost some experience. They just are not that strong. Unless I am missing couple of big time transfers or something - I just don't get anyone thinking they can win it all.
ASU, too... they lost everyone and their class is not good. Hurley may actually be a decent coach and they definitely have some life int hat program now, but I think Hurley thought he was done and on to the next job, because he did not recruit any one of note.
Quote from: Liquidated on July 29, 2019, 11:16:48 PM
Picking Colorado that high has me freaked out enough to double check everything... they really did not add anything and lost some experience. They just are not that strong. Unless I am missing couple of big time transfers or something - I just don't get anyone thinking they can win it all.
ASU, too... they lost everyone and their class is not good. Hurley may actually be a decent coach and they definitely have some life int hat program now, but I think Hurley thought he was done and on to the next job, because he did not recruit any one of note.
Stop forcing us to agree with you Liquidated!!!
In terms of ASU, sure, they finished second in the conference last year. But again, it was the weakest year in P12 history.... let's not forget their loss at home to Princeton. They looked average because everyone else was at historic levels of weakness. Since then, they've essentially replaced their leading scorers (Dort and Cheatham) with JUCO players. While Martin is a decent player, he's not a franchise player that can carry a below average team to wins. They will finish 6th at best, but could be a lot lower. Will have a losing conference record.
Despite losing their best two players, assu has some decent talent returning...but they have NO depth.
Not sure how Hurley could be considered a decent coach. He was given a .500 basketball team & it took him 4 years to make it back to .500 in the miserable Pac-12.
The guy went from 12-0 OOC to missing the field of 64 in 2018. Hoping Anderson keeps him around as long as possible. Their fans have a false sense of optimism that will keep them in mediocrity forever.
Colorado is bringing back all their main contributors from last year, I believe they only lose 1 player Deleon Wright who only played like 10 games for them. That's why everyone is hyping them up, though I'm not really a big fan of that logic they essentially bring everyone back from a team that tied for 4th in the worst major conference and lost in the NIT quarterfinals. At best this team is 3rd or 4th in an improved conference and sneaks in the tournament at worst they're in the NIT again.
As far as ASU outside of Remy like KCC mentioned has a good cast of role players returning White, Lawerence, Edwards, and I'm sure they're hoping Cherry starts to get it going. As far as newcomers their juco talent looks legit particularity Alonzo Verge the dude averaged 30pts and 8ast on pretty efficient shooting numbers at the juco ranks and I think him and Remy are going to be a problem. And Khalid Thomas who we were also recruiting a while back looks solid as well a true stretch 4. In my opinion the biggest sleeper in the Pac.
But like most said Arizona, Oregon, and Washington in any order should and will likely be the top 3 teams in the Pac and very likely all locks to get in the tournament.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on July 29, 2019, 06:32:40 AM
Quote from: arxpert on July 28, 2019, 11:43:49 PM
Nico will not make the 1st team All Pac12 if he is averaging 10-12ppg like most people have predicted here. Even 12-13ppg. He will need to be a much bigger force and reason why Arizona is up top for this to be an accurate prediction. But I digress.
Nico is a Superstar. Not an average college PG. Maybe someone besides Pryme will agree at somepoint.
http://playersprogramu.com/arizona-wildcats-basketball/how-many-points-rebounds-assists-do-you-think-nico-manion-will-average/
Those sound like Liquidated stats (in a sense that they are fabricated).
I'm pretty sure 2 people predicted less than 13.5 PPG. Most everybody else here thinks 14-18.
Probably true, but the embellishment indicates I mean most people came in on the lowest possible end of his scoring potential while only me and a couple other people think on the higher end. I just think Nico is too great of a shooter and finisher to score under the 'consensus mean' 15ppg that i saw, at least if he is going to win ROY and First team All 12 Pac