Same thing, different class.
Here are the 2020 prospects..
Commits
C - Daniel Batcho - SIGNED
F - Tibet Gorener - SIGNED
G - Kerr Kriisa - SIGNED
G/F - Ben Mathurin - SIGNED
G/F - Dalen Terry - SIGNED
F - Azuolas Tubelis - SIGNED
F - Tautvilas Tubelis - SIGNED
Offers
High School
F - Jabri Abdur-Rahim (NJ) - Virginia
G - Devin Askew (CA) - Kentucky
F - Chibuzo Agbo (CA) - Texas Tech
F - Marcus Bagley (CA) - Arizona State
G - Nimari Burnett (CA) - Texas Tech
F - Osasere Ighodaro (AZ) - Texas Tech
G - Josh Christopher (CA) - Arizona State
F - Isaiah Cottrell (NV) - West Virginia
F - Terren Frank (CA) - TCU
C - Dawson Garcia (MN) - Marquette
G - Jalen Green (CA) - NBA
F - Jason Harris (AZ) - Colorado
F - Coleman Hawkins (CA) - Illinois
G - Dayten Holman (OK)
C - DJ Jackson (CA) - Washington State
F - Donovan Johnson (PA) - North Carolina
F - Jalen Johnson (WI) - Duke
G - Caleb Love (MO) - North Carolina
G - Ian Martinez (CA) - Utah
G - Adam Miller (IL) - Illinois
G - Daishen Nix (NV) - UCLA
C - Cliff Omoruyi (NJ) - Rutgers
F - Shon Robinson (AZ) - Ole Miss
G - DJ Steward (IL) - Duke
F - Julian Strawther (NV) - Gonzaga
F - Alex Tchikou (NV)
G - Kyree Walker (AZ) - NBA
F - Kerwin Walton (MN) - North Carolina
F - Ziaire Williams (CA) - Stanford
PF - Jason Harris / Higley HS (Gilbert, AZ)
He is also rated very highly as a DE in football.
Quote from: PrymeSuzpekt on April 16, 2018, 03:22:35 PMRobinson is Jason Harris' teammate at Higley. Might be more enticing to them to recruit them as a package deal.
That might work, but we all know how hard it is to recruit non-siblings as a package deal.
The last one that I think worked was Tyus Jones and Jahlil Okafor to Duke.
If there was another one, it either wasn't "elite" enough, or it wasn't public enough that they were a package deal.
List has been updated with recruits with offers over the summer so far..
BUMP!
I'm tired of searching for this thread to update this list.
WILDcatAZfan, can we pin this thread under the 2019 thread so I will be able to access it faster, please?
This list has been updated with every offer reported on this site to date.
Thank you!
Ask and you shall receive!
God I love you!
A small update, 2020 prospect Marcus Bagley has left Sierra Canyon HS and now enrolled in Sheldon HS.
Sheldon is a DI HS in Sacramento and has been "allegedly" accused of recruiting local talent to their school.
It is somewhat of a surprise to me to see the Bagleys end up there when they are other programs that are more "exotic" in the area like Jesuit or Folsom but I will be able to keep a closer tab on him with him 15mins away.
I know someone who is an assistant's assistant in the Girls program..
Now that our 2019 recruiting class is almost in the books, Miller held his press conference when he spoke on 80% of our recruiting class.
When asked about his notion of wanting to bring in six bodies, he mentioned
"We are now going to look towards the 2020 class and begin to establish those relationships"
I would not be surprised if Miller tries to wrap up the majority of classes by the ESP with plans to work on the follow class shortly after.
Here is the link for those that would like to see it in the Arizona Basketball forum:
http://playersprogramu.com/arizona-wildcats-basketball/sean-miller-tuesday-press-conference-talks-2019-recruiting-class-127909/
Man, time goes by quick. Our 2020 class should start taking shape somewhat soon. Or at the very least we will get a better idea of where we stand with a lot of these kids when they take their officials and put out their lists of final schools and what not. Thanks for keeping the lists updated mvpreed. Much appreciated, sir!
We're definitely not recruiting Kyree Walker.
Quote from: Air-Zona on January 14, 2019, 09:59:58 AM
We're definitely not recruiting Kyree Walker.
Correct, but I chose to put all of those that have an offer from Arizona.
There were several in the 2019 class that I knew we were not going to land, but still held an offer.
UPDATE!
The first domino in the 2020 recruiting class has fallen
ESPNU Super 60 prospect Julian Strawther has committed to Gonzaga.
This is Gonzaga's 2nd commitment in the 2020 class, both are Super 60 prospects.
Few is going to be another program we are going to have to recruit against.
Before it was just Washington, this time he ran into Nevada and stole a good one.
Per ESPN today:
Juzang decided to reclassify into the 2019 class in late April and took a visit to Kentucky shortly after that announcement. He announced his commitment to Kentucky on Instagram on Friday night, and the Wildcats followed minutes later with an announcement that Juzang officially signed with the school.
Juzang, a 6-foot-7 wing from Harvard Westlake High School (California), was one of the top uncommitted players remaining in the 2019 class. He's ranked No. 29 in the ESPN 100, slotting in as the No. 3 small forward in the senior class.
Well we now know the new wave in basketball recruiting:
— Start school late/repeat a grade so you're bigger than everyone else
— If the class ahead of yours is weak, reclassify and commit to elite school
Bagley III isn't the first to do it, but he is the domino that reshaped the blueprint.
Since him, there have been three 5* prospects to reclassify and commit to elite schools:
Mannion - Arizona
Hampton - ???
Juzang - Kentucky
Hopefully Mannion makes the transition better than Akot did. Wiggins reclassified to attend KU and Nerlens Noel, Dakari Johnson, Karl-Anthony Towns, Jamal Murray and Isaac Humphries all reclassified before attending Kentucky and there have been several others - I'm not sure it all started with Bagley but it does seem to be a trend.
Quote from: eggdog on May 12, 2019, 03:44:33 PM
Hopefully Mannion makes the transition better than Akot did. Wiggins reclassified to attend KU and Nerlens Noel, Dakari Johnson, Karl-Anthony Towns, Jamal Murray and Isaac Humphries all reclassified before attending Kentucky and there have been several others - I'm not sure it all started with Bagley but it does seem to be a trend.
The point I was trying to make was that Bagley doing it seemed to be made into a big deal, and the sports media has been highlighting/following it a lot closer in recent history.
I do remember when Wiggins did it, none of the UK prospects though, but my point remains the same.
Quote from: mvpreed2 on May 12, 2019, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: eggdog on May 12, 2019, 03:44:33 PM
Hopefully Mannion makes the transition better than Akot did. Wiggins reclassified to attend KU and Nerlens Noel, Dakari Johnson, Karl-Anthony Towns, Jamal Murray and Isaac Humphries all reclassified before attending Kentucky and there have been several others - I'm not sure it all started with Bagley but it does seem to be a trend.
The point I was trying to make was that Bagley doing it seemed to be made into a big deal, and the sports media has been highlighting/following it a lot closer in recent history.
I do remember when Wiggins did it, none of the UK prospects though, but my point remains the same.
Might be true about the media coverage - it's far more common in football but a lot of players did it before Bagley, including Dillon Brooks at Oregon.
Quote from: eggdog on May 12, 2019, 04:56:55 PM
Quote from: mvpreed2 on May 12, 2019, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: eggdog on May 12, 2019, 03:44:33 PM
Hopefully Mannion makes the transition better than Akot did. Wiggins reclassified to attend KU and Nerlens Noel, Dakari Johnson, Karl-Anthony Towns, Jamal Murray and Isaac Humphries all reclassified before attending Kentucky and there have been several others - I'm not sure it all started with Bagley but it does seem to be a trend.
The point I was trying to make was that Bagley doing it seemed to be made into a big deal, and the sports media has been highlighting/following it a lot closer in recent history.
I do remember when Wiggins did it, none of the UK prospects though, but my point remains the same.
Might be true about the media coverage - it's far more common in football but a lot of players did it before Bagley, including Dillon Brooks at Oregon.
There is a similar pattern with everyone you have mentioned.
With the exception of Wiggins, all of them were Kentucky prospects (going to attract media attention) or lesser prospects.
Yes it has happened before, but the media seems to be putting it under more of a microscope nowadays and letting it be known to the casual fan.
Cant help but feel we are behind with a lot of these kids, particularly after we lost Coach Phelps. I'm sure he had the majority of the long term relationships with these kids going back 3 or 4 years.
Class is really lacking in size. I hope we can land a big that can have an immediate impact as he will be needed. Tons of wings, should be ok there.
Are there any international guys that we may be able to land? Kinda the way we landed Lauri or Thielemans..
As for the prospects, it seems like Burnett/Christopher/Williams are the priorities right now, but this is based solely on the amount of traffic they have had on here.
As for the bigs, that Garcia kid from the Midwest is a gem, but I'm not sure where we stand with him.
This recruiting class is still very early in the process, and I can see us swinging some prospects if we have a good season, especially if we end up sending Mannion/Green to the NBA.
We will definitely need a point guard next year if nico leaves as expected I hope Sean recruits d.nix.
Quote from: Jdmarti on May 24, 2019, 06:42:49 AM
We will definitely need a point guard next year if nico leaves as expected I hope Sean recruits d.nix.
I'm not in the know, but I'm assuming Miller is going bring in Burnett to be that combo guard role at 6'3.
I think the departures will dictate how Miller brings in though.
We have what...possibly four departures next season?
Two seniors and two NBA departures (Jeter/Hazzard,Mannion/Green).
If we land Brown, I believe Miller will look to bring in PG or CG/W/W/B type of class.
Any other departures and we take the best player available.
Quote from: mvpreed2 on May 28, 2019, 01:30:34 PM
We have what...possibly four departures next season?
Two seniors and two NBA departures (Jeter/Hazzard,Mannion/Green).
If we land Brown, I believe Miller will look to bring in PG or CG/W/W/B type of class.
Any other departures and we take the best player available.
Stone Gettings, also.
We will be down to Lee, Koloko and Nnaji in the front.
Quote from: dashots_UA on May 28, 2019, 03:47:23 PM
Quote from: mvpreed2 on May 28, 2019, 01:30:34 PM
We have what...possibly four departures next season?
Two seniors and two NBA departures (Jeter/Hazzard,Mannion/Green).
If we land Brown, I believe Miller will look to bring in PG or CG/W/W/B type of class.
Any other departures and we take the best player available.
Stone Gettings, also.
We will be down to Lee, Koloko and Nnaji in the front.
Oh yeah I forgot about him.
That makes five expected departures.
Marjon Beauchamp recently changed his Instagram bio which points to him having moved to Arizona. If this is true Arizona has a much better chance of recruiting him for next year. In addition, he is in Arizona right now, possibly for a visit or getting used to his new school here. He could be looking to join Hillcrest or Bella Vista.
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One things for sure we will have a lot of scholarships available for 2020 class
Matt Moreno was in recent contact with Arizona recruits Terren Frank and Marjon Beauchamp who both shared their desire to visit Arizona very soon.
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Cottrell committed to West Virginia, where his dad played.
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2019/06/13/four-star-forward-commits-to-west-virginia/
I think Sean Miller will try too bring in too point guards considering nico hazzerd will be gone an maybe b.will I hope not but his knee is in question he may need to load up on the position. Some players I would like Arizona to land are D.nix BURNETT Zaire Williams puff Johnson Jalen Johnson beauchamp dawson garcia . Puff Johnson we are waiting to see if he stays in 2020 class or if he reclassifys I hope we land him either way.
Dalen Terry has committed so I will count him in.
Most likely to commit in no order.
Dawson Garcia
Kerwin Walton
High possibility
Puff Johnson
Adam Miller
PG need is big
Caleb Love is the closest at this point and we will likely look at grad transfers.
This is just my opinion at this point and there are still other players in play but how I see the class playing out. My attention has been totally on football lately so someone can correct me if I am missing someone or off on someone.
I fill pretty good about k. Walton an puff Johnson not sure about other recruits waiting to here when puff Johnson will visit Arizona I hope its soon I really like waltons 3 point shooting if for nothing else I would take him for that an puff can shoot the ball an defend multiple positions I hope they commit.
The biggest need is point guard not sure who Arizona will land I hope they can land aone from the 2020 class but there is not alot of talent for point guards my top choice would have been dashien nix or caleb love not seems like there is a better chance with love especially if he does visit but probably I long shot still Arizona may have to look for a grad transfer if not Arizona will need a big class when it all set an done atleast 6 maybe 7 if Zeke is a one an done if b.will is ready to play next year he can run the point. An Terry may be able to play pg. An Baker said they are developing him as a point guard so we will see on that.
I hope we can land k. Walton an puff
Garcia is the primary big man Arizona is recruiting I am hoping for Adam Miller but not sure where we stand with I'm though Corey Evan's thinks Arizona has a shot with him an ziaire willams would be a huge pickup but not looking good for him. Also caleb love.
If we go by wildcat authority we ar warm with the following players
Caleb love
Puff Johnson
Ziaire willams
Kerwin Walton
I don't always believe in all that but that's the way they have it I would think we would be warm with dawson Garcia but we are not Garcia an Adam Miller are suppose to be cutting list soon so we will find out where we stand with them.
Quote from: Jdmarti on August 15, 2019, 05:44:38 PM
If we go by wildcat authority we ar warm with the following players
Caleb love
Puff Johnson
Ziaire willams
Kerwin Walton
I don't always believe in all that but that's the way they have it I would think we would be warm with dawson Garcia but we are not Garcia an Adam Miller are suppose to be cutting list soon so we will find out where we stand with them.
247 is good for listing the players who are in the mix, but don't put too much stock into the whole warm/cold nonsense. That stuff changes by the day for these young kids. If you just think of it as a general list of guys that we have interest in, then it's much more useful. You can't even put much stock into the crystal ball until a players decision leaks and then everybody puts their pick in.
I agree Miller time I use it mostly to see who Arizona has interest in.
Miller and his staff has begun to shift the way they prioritize recruits.
Before it was use your connections back East and get the best on the West (2011-2014) and run with that.
Then 2015-2018 we saw Miller go nationwide and even overseas, focusing more out West on Arizona prospects.
Now, it seems like Miller is focusing exclusively on Arizona and then nationally.
We have not have as much success in California as we once had.
Quote from: mvpreed2 on August 16, 2019, 05:42:01 PM
Miller and his staff has begun to shift the way they prioritize recruits.
Before it was use your connections back East and get the best on the West (2011-2014) and run with that.
Then 2015-2018 we saw Miller go nationwide and even overseas, focusing more out West on Arizona prospects.
Now, it seems like Miller is focusing exclusively on Arizona and then nationally.
We have not have as much success in California as we once had.
I wonder if its through Danny Peters but it seems like the staff is targeting the midwest a lot harder. We landed Zeke last year who if I'm not mistaken is the first MW recruit Miller has landed here at AZ. And this year we are in good position with guys like Miller, Love, Garcia, and Walton and probably land at least one of them.
We seem to be in a good spot to land Walton I would like all four players I dought it though.
I'm not feeling really good about the 2020 class. I'm a little concerned that Arizona isn't on the final list for even 1 top 25 recruit and Oregon and UCLA are on numerous list. Am I overthinking this or is someone else concerned? Seems like there might be a shift in the PAC. I sure hope Miller can work his magic.
Quote from: Teamgame on August 20, 2019, 06:38:39 PM
I'm not feeling really good about the 2020 class. I'm a little concerned that Arizona isn't on the final list for even 1 top 25 recruit and Oregon and UCLA are on numerous list. Am I overthinking this or is someone else concerned? Seems like there might be a shift in the PAC. I sure hope Miller can work his magic.
Well one (Oregon) has been the most consistent lately.
The other (UCLA) is unproven and has a new coach so until they play a game, they are always going to get the benefit of the doubt until they show an on-court product.
Then you have the other (Arizona) has been drug through the mud with this FBI scandal, finished last season like 10th in the PAC-12, lost your best returning player for the season to knee surgery?
It's easy to see why when you look objectively.
Come January, I believe we will be back on track.
I think this class won't come together until the spring.
Recruits want to know whether Nico/Josh/Zeke plan to go pro after year 1. This also gives them sufficient time to ensure that the program doesn't get hit with a postseason ban. Plus, we have no idea whether B-Will can return at full strength.
The ban is unlikely...and Zeke jumping to the league is unlikely...so I'm optimistic that we'll have a nice class of ~5 incoming freshmen + a grad transfer that can fill the void for (probably) Nico, Josh, Dylan, Chase, Hazzard and Stone.
With Ira, Zeke, Koloko and Brown likely returning in the front court, we will need some serious wings (and a PG) to play alongside Baker, Doutrive and B-Will.
Yea teamgame I know what your talking about usually Arizona makes alot of players till the end an it's not happening this year I really wonder if players worried about sanctions.
I also think teams like Oregon an asu an these other teams out there are probably using Arizona situation with possible sanctions in a way to land recruits if the NCAA would hurry an get it over with especially if there is no postseason ban that's what recruits care about.
We basically have 6 players according to 247 that we are still targeting puff seems like he will commit at some point which would give us 2 with him an Terry an then there is kerwin Walton dawson Garcia ziaire willams Adam Miller an Terren Frank if Arizona is still recruiting Frank I have not heard anything in a while about him I am hoping Arizona can land Adam Miller it seems like they think he will go to Illinois garcias situation I think could depend on if Zeke is one an done I think if he leaves there would be a spot for him to start along Jordan brown if Zeke stays I don't think Garcia would come here considering we would have Lee brown Zeke an koloko I am sure Garcia wants to come in an start where ever he goes.
Terry 6'6" SF is in
Johnson 6'7" SG/SF is a good shot
Garcia 6'11" PF is as well
Walton 6'4 SG is likely
The rest of the field is cloudy at best, but this will not be the complete class if it shakes out this way.
I pretty much agree George I think Garcia I think it could depend on if Zeke leaves or not I dought he wants to come off bench but I like our chances with him the other players you listed I fill good about commiting I'm no expert but if I had to guess we probably dont get ziaire Williams caleb love decided not to visit Arizona that tells me it all an Adam Miller who I like not sure about but he is visiting an who knows from there I always think Arizona has a good chance with any player if they visit I would really like Arizona to land Adam Miller he is a combo guard an can probably play the 1 an 2 an is a good outside shooter so if you got Miller puff an Walton that's 3 players that could shoot the 3 that would really help with zone defense.
its interesting to hear all of the voices calling for CSM to chase fewer ONDs and focus on finding quality 3-4 year players
and then others concerned that we don't got no one in the top 25 comin in
it gets very interesting when our 3-4 year guys aren't NBA-level when they start to get PT, like how everyone bashed Lee his freshman year
I hope we can keep bringin in ONDs and mix in some 3-4 year guys with transfers to fill out the roster, do that until the threat of sanctions is behind us (will it ever be tho?) or until the whole college scene is transformed by the end of the plantation system and the one year rule
I am good with one year players that leave after there one year in collage if they are ready an I prefer a limit of about 2 a year an the rest being 4 star talents that can devolp I hope arizona can get ziaire an Walton ziaire Is a one year player where Walton is a long term player.
Quote from: ichi on January 25, 2020, 02:32:00 PM
its interesting to hear all of the voices calling for CSM to chase fewer ONDs and focus on finding quality 3-4 year players
and then others concerned that we don't got no one in the top 25 comin in
it gets very interesting when our 3-4 year guys aren't NBA-level when they start to get PT, like how everyone bashed Lee his freshman year
I hope we can keep bringin in ONDs and mix in some 3-4 year guys with transfers to fill out the roster, do that until the threat of sanctions is behind us (will it ever be tho?) or until the whole college scene is transformed by the end of the plantation system and the one year rule
Great post Ichi, and the one thing that stuck out to me was IL and CSM chose to use him.
I personally thought we could have used him as a hybrid F like we did with AG.
A good example of a program who has been able to win without elite HS talent has been Gonzaga.
They identify the right HS/overseas prospects, use the transfer market to fill the holes and win.
They are like the San Antonio Spurs of college basketball.
They haven't had the success on elite HS talent for long, maybe 3-4 years ago, but they continue to reload and hand with the big boys on the big stage.
I say all that to say this is no right way to recruit.
Everything (to me) relies on talent evaluation and player development.
If those two are off, you won't be able to land enough OND HS prospects to mask the issue.
Just look at Kentucky and the "dip" they have taken in recruiting and success on the court.
After watching this 2020 PAC-12 season, there is one thing that Miller is going to be forced to do if he wants to maximize this "position-less basketball" mantra:
RECRUIT LONGER, MORE ATHLETIC WINGS!
We cannot have anyone over 6'6 on our roster trying to lay the ball in anymore.
Either punch it in, or get subbed out!
We are too soft around the rim and part of that is because we lack athleticism.
We need to play above the rim, because some of those plays are momentum-shifting plays that we need to turn around a game.
Terry/Mathurin are good prospects, but we need more athleticism and prospects like Christopher/Green/Williams are what we need to give us that shot in the arm.
We always had a least one every 2-3 years; that electric HS prospect that Miller just let go because they were too talented.
We don't have one of those on this roster...
Yes I agree 100 percent! I've been wanting us to get more 6'7-6'9 guys similar to Florida State and play above the rim more and with that length comes better defense with rebounding, blocking shots and deflecting passes
Quote from: TennesseeCat36 on March 09, 2020, 10:35:16 AM
Yes I agree 100 percent! I've been wanting us to get more 6'7-6'9 guys similar to Florida State and play above the rim more and with that length comes better defense with rebounding, blocking shots and deflecting passes
That is how we used to be built, on a dominant defense, but we don't have the tools to be that right now.
Koloko could be that anchor in the middle like Tarczewski/Ristic used to be, but we have been missing that in the middle.
We don't challenge as many shots at the rim, and we don't rebound as well on the defensive end.
I would say 6'6-6'8 prospects that can play 1-4 and a single big would be ideal for us.
I would say imagine our lineup being like the Houston Rockets when they had Capela.
Koloko = Capela and you surround him with four wings and you just go...
When Koloko starts to figure things out on offense, he will be valuable for years to come.
Glad we finally have a 4-year big man that we can build-around because he seems like an ideal candidate to increasingly contribute throughout his career in Tucson.
Another 3-4* big man would be huge so they can practice against each other on a daily basis. Zeke already laid the foundation & I'm not optimistic that he'll return for a Sophomore year...although it isn't a guarantee that he's leaving yet.
So if Zeke stays another year who starts alongside him? Brown? Koloko? Or do they go smaller and only have Zeke at the 5? My guess would be Brown and Zeke with Koloko coming off the bench but getting more minutes
If zeke came back I would think zeke an brown would start I dont think zeke comes back though.
Comments on the 2020 class Arizona probably needs a grad transfer big no matter what an hoping Arizona gets ziaire willams an kerwin walton even though ziaire is a one an done talent an walton would be probably a 4 yr player. I would like to see Arizona start getting a mix of one or two 5 star players an the rest 4 star players that will be here for 3 or 4 years.
Quote from: TennesseeCat36 on March 11, 2020, 07:42:56 AM
So if Zeke stays another year who starts alongside him? Brown? Koloko? Or do they go smaller and only have Zeke at the 5? My guess would be Brown and Zeke with Koloko coming off the bench but getting more minutes
I believe the cards have been setup for Brown to step into the starting lineup at the 5.
My question at this point is who is going to be our starting frontcourt with Gettings/Jeter/Nnaji all set to leave Arizona in 2020?
Brown is a lock to me, looking at our hand right now, Lee would be our starting 4, but his value would diminish as he is a spark plug off the bench.
Looking at our roster now, we HAVE to land a 1-2 MORE wings; an elite wing (Beauchamp/Christopher/Williams) and solid 3-4 year option (Walton) to go with Mathurin/Terry, a true 4 (???), and hyrbid 4-5 (???).
We are going to lose roughly 5-7 players (Gettings/Green/Hazzard/Jeter/Mannion/Nnaji/Smith), and unless Miller is able to work his magic, our 2020-21 season is going to be like 2018-19 because of the large amount of holes and not enough prospects to fill them.
Next year is going to be brutal.
Quote from: mvpreed2 on March 11, 2020, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: TennesseeCat36 on March 11, 2020, 07:42:56 AM
So if Zeke stays another year who starts alongside him? Brown? Koloko? Or do they go smaller and only have Zeke at the 5? My guess would be Brown and Zeke with Koloko coming off the bench but getting more minutes
I believe the cards have been setup for Brown to step into the starting lineup at the 5.
My question at this point is who is going to be our starting frontcourt with Gettings/Jeter/Nnaji all set to leave Arizona in 2020?
Brown is a lock to me, looking at our hand right now, Lee would be our starting 4, but his value would diminish as he is a spark plug off the bench.
Looking at our roster now, we HAVE to land a 1-2 MORE wings; an elite wing (Beauchamp/Christopher/Williams) and solid 3-4 year option (Walton) to go with Mathurin/Terry, a true 4 (???), and hyrbid 4-5 (???).
We are going to lose roughly 5-7 players (Gettings/Green/Hazzard/Jeter/Mannion/Nnaji/Smith), and unless Miller is able to work his magic, our 2020-21 season is going to be like 2018-19 because of the large amount of holes and not enough prospects to fill them.
I think Koloko is a starter next year, he's going to be a problem on the defensive side of the ball and probably the only guy I'm confident in for next year. I have no idea what to expect from Brown dude averaged like 2pts and 10 minutes on an overrated Nevada team. I think he's a little more skilled with a midrange game in his arsenal so I think by default he starts along with CK just because I don't see Lee as a starter (not big or skilled enough). Unless we can land some big time transfer on the market I think that's our main frontcourt group for next year and likely just need to add depth.
I like the Mathurin/Terry additions long athletic wings both 3-4 year guys, both likely to struggle a bit next year. Obviously for our wings adding Ziaire, or the potential return of Josh Green would probably make this our best wing unit since Stanley and Rondae were playing in Tucson. I think we'd need one of those scenarios to play out if we want to realistically compete for a tournament spot. Either of those 2 groups would set us up at the position and given all the spots available I'd look for a traditional transfer to fill in. If neither of those 2 scenarios play then I think the grad transfer route is the play.
The guard position particularly the point guard spot is where I'm concerned (yet again). Williams is again a big mystery and even if he's good to go who knows how this kid will look missing an entire year and all. I've not given up all hope on Baker but man this kid is invisible he has is moments and then just disappears for games. Akinjo is obviously the big fish here who we might not even get until January. He's a tough, scrapping player, but on paper he's essentially a worse version of Nico/Trier and that is obviously concerning. Only other guard I know we are in is Walton who's not a PG and like the other frosh is more a 3-4 year who will need to develop first. And my assumption is Miller is probably set with that group the way he was talking up Brandon Williams.
I wouldn't say that just yet. Too much time and variables in place to see who comes back and if we can get Ziaire and or Walton and if B Will is healthy plus the remaining recruits/grad transfers. I would wait until late May to make predictions and assumptions for next season
Quote from: TennesseeCat36 on March 11, 2020, 05:41:31 PM
I wouldn't say that just yet. Too much time and variables in place to see who comes back and if we can get Ziaire and or Walton and if B Will is healthy plus the remaining recruits/grad transfers. I would wait until late May to make predictions and assumptions for next season
Yes you are right, but we have had some time past and no real news in regards to recruiting.
There are too many unknowns heading into season for me to honestly believe that Miller is going to be able to work THAT much magic.
The one thing(s) that will make each situation easier is if one or more of these freshmen come back.
I can see a situation where we head into 2020 with one or both of Green/Nnaji coming back, which would mean things are going to be completely different with having them have a year of experience coming back.
Quote from: ChrisZona on March 11, 2020, 04:19:08 PM
Quote from: mvpreed2 on March 11, 2020, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: TennesseeCat36 on March 11, 2020, 07:42:56 AM
So if Zeke stays another year who starts alongside him? Brown? Koloko? Or do they go smaller and only have Zeke at the 5? My guess would be Brown and Zeke with Koloko coming off the bench but getting more minutes
I believe the cards have been setup for Brown to step into the starting lineup at the 5.
My question at this point is who is going to be our starting frontcourt with Gettings/Jeter/Nnaji all set to leave Arizona in 2020?
Brown is a lock to me, looking at our hand right now, Lee would be our starting 4, but his value would diminish as he is a spark plug off the bench.
Looking at our roster now, we HAVE to land a 1-2 MORE wings; an elite wing (Beauchamp/Christopher/Williams) and solid 3-4 year option (Walton) to go with Mathurin/Terry, a true 4 (???), and hyrbid 4-5 (???).
We are going to lose roughly 5-7 players (Gettings/Green/Hazzard/Jeter/Mannion/Nnaji/Smith), and unless Miller is able to work his magic, our 2020-21 season is going to be like 2018-19 because of the large amount of holes and not enough prospects to fill them.
I think Koloko is a starter next year, he's going to be a problem on the defensive side of the ball and probably the only guy I'm confident in for next year. I have no idea what to expect from Brown dude averaged like 2pts and 10 minutes on an overrated Nevada team. I think he's a little more skilled with a midrange game in his arsenal so I think by default he starts along with CK just because I don't see Lee as a starter (not big or skilled enough). Unless we can land some big time transfer on the market I think that's our main frontcourt group for next year and likely just need to add depth.
The guard position particularly the point guard spot is where I'm concerned (yet again). Williams is again a big mystery and even if he's good to go who knows how this kid will look missing an entire year and all. I've not given up all hope on Baker but man this kid is invisible he has is moments and then just disappears for games. Akinjo is obviously the big fish here who we might not even get until January. He's a tough, scrapping player, but on paper he's essentially a worse version of Nico/Trier and that is obviously concerning. Only other guard I know we are in is Walton who's not a PG and like the other frosh is more a 3-4 year who will need to develop first. And my assumption is Miller is probably set with that group the way he was talking up Brandon Williams.
I can see a situation with a Brown/Koloko frontcourt, but we would be in trouble if CK isn't able to stay out of trouble.
Like TennesseeCat36 said, there is a lot of time and too many variables to play out.
As for PG, I will go on record and say that I am not expecting Williams to be back in 2020.
Akinjo and Baker are going to be our lead guards in 2020, and we are going to be trying to figure out who that other starting guard is going to be if Green goes to the NBA, BUT I do believe that he can return along with Nnaji which would shoot us up to the top of the PAC-12 preseason hype with Oregon/UCLA/USC and I guess ASU/Colorado.
Every year as soon as the season ends I try and keep up with who we are getting and I will watch the McDonald's game, Jordan brand game and Nike hoop summit while also trying to keep up with potential transfers but this year I'm just going to wait until late May with baseball keeping me occupied and then check out the roster and message boards again to see how the full roster looks. Trying not to get too excited or worried until the final product is known
Quote from: TennesseeCat36 on March 11, 2020, 09:31:26 PM
Every year as soon as the season ends I try and keep up with who we are getting and I will watch the McDonald's game, Jordan brand game and Nike hoop summit while also trying to keep up with potential transfers but this year I'm just going to wait until late May with baseball keeping me occupied and then check out the roster and message boards again to see how the full roster looks. Trying not to get too excited or worried until the final product is known
Well, the transfer free agency doesn't end until about mid-summer.
We have to go through the college off-season calendar:
- NCAA Tournament (March/April)
- NBA Declarations (April)
- Coach Firings/Hirings (February-April)
- HS Late-Signing Period (April)
- Grad-Transfer Declarations (February-July)
- Grad-Transfer Free Agency (April-July)
This thing won't be officially finalized until Summer School is over around July.
Me and few others on here helped me track the Grad-Transfer Free Agency AND the Coaching Carousel last off-season.
This college recruiting landscape has changed for the worst.
You used to be able to stack your program with blue chips and loaded up every year like we have seen Kentucky/Duke/North Carolina do in the past.
Now, it is almost like you have a better shot by having little to nothing in the cupboards and telling an elite prospect..."Yo you come here and you get the keys to the car!"
Williams commits to Stanford, and now Christopher is going to ASSU?
Since when did we start losing to the likes of Stanford and ASSU for 5* prospects?
Quote from: mvpreed2 on April 13, 2020, 10:34:09 PM
This college recruiting landscape has changed for the worst.
You used to be able to stack your program with blue chips and loaded up every year like we have seen Kentucky/Duke/North Carolina do in the past.
Now, it is almost like you have a better shot by having little to nothing in the cupboards and telling an elite prospect..."Yo you come here and you get the keys to the car!"
Williams commits to Stanford, and now Christopher is going to ASSU?
Since when did we start losing to the likes of Stanford and ASSU for 5* prospects?
It's Mid Major Miller time, Mike...... damn
Quote from: FOOS on April 14, 2020, 06:06:20 PM
Quote from: mvpreed2 on April 13, 2020, 10:34:09 PM
This college recruiting landscape has changed for the worst.
You used to be able to stack your program with blue chips and loaded up every year like we have seen Kentucky/Duke/North Carolina do in the past.
Now, it is almost like you have a better shot by having little to nothing in the cupboards and telling an elite prospect..."Yo you come here and you get the keys to the car!"
Williams commits to Stanford, and now Christopher is going to ASSU?
Since when did we start losing to the likes of Stanford and ASSU for 5* prospects?
It's Mid Major Miller time, Mike...... damn
That literally made me laugh...
The list has now been updated with the signing of Kriisa and the commitment of Batcho this morning.
247 released their final ratings which include evaluations of our international recruits. They have us pegged as the seventh overall class. After missing out on the five-stars we should feel good about this recruiting class.
https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Season/2020-Basketball/Commits/ (https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Season/2020-Basketball/Commits/)
#7 is a huge deal, considering the fact that we have long term recruits that should stick around for a while.
This thread really went downhill for a while. Im proud of yet another Top-10 class
Strong work by Miller and the staff. I'm impressed by the class, especially after the negative "stuff" surrounding the program.