Be mad at Tommy Lloyd.
He made just about every incorrect call tonight possible down to the final possession.
Townsend had no business on the floor.
BYU outplayed Arizona.
BYU's Coach outcoached the living shit out of Tommy.
The sheer Will Power of Shot Making kept us in the game.
Absolutely NOTHING Tommy called for was responsible for the chance to win that game at the end.
Channel your anger properly. We aren't going to get "Tony Padilla" every other game when it comes to March Madness. It was a reasonable call even with the Offensive Player initiating the contact.
Henri on the floor at the end takes all of that away. Even if he is blown by he can still recover and block a layup attempt.
Also you can definitely blame the Effort of the team (other than KJ Lewis) ---> Caleb Love allowed a free Layup off a brick without wrapping up Keita.
That is the difference between Arizona and Houston. Houston, just like BYU, AND EVERYONE knows to make us have to hit 2 shots to earn 1 bucket. Tommy Lloyd is not coaching this team to do the same to our opponents. There is no guarantee some micro-big named Keita hits both FT's on a 1 and 1 with a foul on the floor.
Don't Get Mad For The Wrong Reasons.
Learn Basketball.
Good for BYU, that literally was the end of the Big12 Banner and now it is on to the Double-Bye and the journey beyond.
Tommy has to be better In-Game. Even his "scouting report" for this game with ALL the time off to gameplan was incorrect from the beginning with Townsend.
Just like Earlier this season. When we get almost a Week off, we lose our focus and momentum. We just look a lot better these days than back then. It is pure lipstick on a pig right now.
CHANNEL ANGER FROM THE INSIDE OUT. It was NOT 1 bad call tonight.
It's pretty ironic that the worst defender on our team rose to the challenge and actually played solid defense for once, then got swiftly punished for it.
Our team played a solid game against a team that was up by 30+ throughout a majority of the game in Bill Self's worst loss of his entire career.
If somebody is looking to blame anybody outside of the call that blatantly gave the game away, they're obviously not a fan of Arizona.
Lousey call that was not a foul, Townsend actually played nice defense there an gets called for a foul when he had nothing,an we lose, if arizona played decent defense we probably when, but dropping 96 points tells us our defense was bad, byu 14 3 pointers an over 50% shooting.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 05:57:44 AMOur team played a solid game against a team that was up by 30+ throughout a majority of the game in Bill Self's worst loss of his entire career.
If somebody is looking to blame anybody outside of the call that blatantly gave the game away, they're obviously not a fan of Arizona.
Our defense was bad. Letting a team score over 90 is not a solid effort. We deserved to lose. Not sure why Townsend was in there, not sure why he ended up on Saunders, not sure why we keep trying that bullshit full court heave inbounds pass. 3.6 seconds is plenty of time for Caleb to get the ball, take two dribbles and get a decent look. This loss was on a lack of defense. Tommy did not do a good enough job down the stretch to give us a chance to steal it.
All these takes of don't get mad at the call because Arizona should've took care of business throughout the game is correct in a way. But, a game absolutely is never perfect. The truth of the game is what it was. BYU played their best & we were swinging back. It was a heavyweight fight, trading haymakers. What I don't agree about the statement or the post is the last call dictated the end of the game. That was not by any means a foul. Townsend held his ground, slid his feet & had his hands straight up. So, yes could Arizona been better the first 30 mins? Sure. But, they busted their tail & fought back just to be screwed.
That wasn't Padilla's call to make either. The baseline ref had a clear view. No obstruction. Terrible calls throughout the game, yes there always is. You don't make a terrible call there in the final seconds.
This BYU offense has been hitting remarkable shots for the past couple months. They're consistent from the perimeter and I'm pretty sure their coach will end up in the NBA at some point.
Did we allow them to blow by our guards? Yes. We should have adjusted. But the way they finished around the rim deserves credit.
100%. You can't give up 96 on your home court and blame it on anyone but your defense
Quote from: |ᴘ|ʀ|ʏ|ᴍ|ᴇ| on February 23, 2025, 03:09:08 AMIt's pretty ironic that the worst defender on our team rose to the challenge and actually played solid defense for once, then got swiftly punished for it.
It is ironic, but Townsend shouldn't have been out there.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 05:57:44 AMOur team played a solid game against a team that was up by 30+ throughout a majority of the game in Bill Self's worst loss of his entire career.
If somebody is looking to blame anybody outside of the call that blatantly gave the game away, they're obviously not a fan of Arizona.
Kansas isn't better than BYU. Simple as that.
Quote from: Jdmarti on February 23, 2025, 07:36:40 AMLousey call that was not a foul, Townsend actually played nice defense there an gets called for a foul when he had nothing,an we lose, if arizona played decent defense we probably when, but dropping 96 points tells us our defense was bad, byu 14 3 pointers an over 50% shooting.
This is the truth. We had all game to make adjustments and make BYU play into what we wanted them to do as opposed to allowing them to run their X's and O's.
Quote from: Naterade on February 23, 2025, 08:48:44 AMQuote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 05:57:44 AMOur team played a solid game against a team that was up by 30+ throughout a majority of the game in Bill Self's worst loss of his entire career.
If somebody is looking to blame anybody outside of the call that blatantly gave the game away, they're obviously not a fan of Arizona.
Our defense was bad. Letting a team score over 90 is not a solid effort. We deserved to lose. Not sure why Townsend was in there, not sure why he ended up on Saunders, not sure why we keep trying that bullshit full court heave inbounds pass. 3.6 seconds is plenty of time for Caleb to get the ball, take two dribbles and get a decent look. This loss was on a lack of defense. Tommy did not do a good enough job down the stretch to give us a chance to steal it.
This is the truth. I accept the loss. It was only a miracle we had the lead on that last possession. Tommy has to do better at making game plans and then adjusting when they aren't working.
Quote from: LouieGTheThird on February 23, 2025, 09:03:58 AMWhat I don't agree about the statement or the post is the last call dictated the end of the game. That was not by any means a foul.
I agree, but I can also argue that the refs didn't need to issue a whistle for Caleb Love on the other end and in fact, that whistle forced Arizona to have to make 2 shots to gain the lead instead of just letting that very soft contact go in "Winning Time" and Love earns his layup to tie it.
Then I guarantee that there would have been no whistle on the other end on the final play.
When 1 whistle goes off, you can almost always count on another whistle going off. Especially ticky tack soft whistles.
If anyone wants to view it as a "hosing" or "ref agenda", then I would venture to say that the refs purposely tried to make it harder for us to tie or win the game by forcing the Caleb Love FTs and taking away the easy layup.
Or we can look at it more realistically and say that it was a smart play to try to get a foul on the floor by BYU knowing there is no Continuation And-1 and Love had an easy Layup. Well coached by BYU's HC.
Caleb Love stood under the rim and let "Keita" just lay a ball in, no effort at all. If he bear hugs Keita there, making him have to attempt 2 shots to earn 2 points, who knows. Maybe he misses.
That type of stuff is the difference in close games.
Tommy should have understood that 1 whistle begets the next whistle and called his defense to clog the lane shutting off any chance at a drive from anyone and just force BYU to try to win the game on what they did best all night, a long 3pt shot. Anyone should have been willing to live and die with that. Sometimes you need to "survive and advance".
It is tit for tat in basketball.
PS -
I also agree on the 3.6 seconds. The team was just deflated and quit on the moment. Maybe Tommy should start practicing end of game play calls. There were many ways we could have gotten a shot off and possibly a make up call if executed in a certain way.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 10:34:26 AMThis BYU offense has been hitting remarkable shots for the past couple months. They're consistent from the perimeter and I'm pretty sure their coach will end up in the NBA at some point.
Did we allow them to blow by our guards? Yes. We should have adjusted. But the way they finished around the rim deserves credit.
I agree. Awaka got worked all night by guys much smaller. Smarter teams beat Tommy almost every time. It was all X's and O's last night and Tommy has very few responses in his playbook.
Quote from: arxpert on February 23, 2025, 12:33:22 PMQuote from: LouieGTheThird on February 23, 2025, 09:03:58 AMWhat I don't agree about the statement or the post is the last call dictated the end of the game. That was not by any means a foul.
I agree, but I can also argue that the refs didn't need to issue a whistle for Caleb Love on the other end and in fact, that whistle forced Arizona to have to make 2 shots to gain the lead instead of just letting that very soft contact go in "Winning Time" and Love earns his layup to tie it.
Then I guarantee that there would have been no whistle on the other end on the final play.
When 1 whistle goes off, you can almost always count on another whistle going off. Especially ticky tack soft whistles.
If anyone wants to view it as a "hosing" or "ref agenda", then I would venture to say that the refs purposely tried to make it harder for us to tie or win the game by forcing the Caleb Love FTs and taking away the easy layup.
Or we can look at it more realistically and say that it was a smart play to try to get a foul on the floor by BYU knowing there is no Continuation And-1 and Love had an easy Layup. Well coached by BYU's HC.
Caleb Love stood under the rim and let "Keita" just lay a ball in, no effort at all. If he bear hugs Keita there, making him have to attempt 2 shots to earn 2 points, who knows. Maybe he misses.
That type of stuff is the difference in close games.
Tommy should have understood that 1 whistle begets the next whistle and called his defense to clog the lane shutting off any chance at a drive from anyone and just force BYU to try to win the game on what they did best all night, a long 3pt shot. Anyone should have been willing to live and die with that. Sometimes you need to "survive and advance".
It is tit for tat in basketball.
PS - I also agree on the 3.6 seconds. The team was just deflated and quit on the moment. Maybe Tommy should start practicing end of game play calls. There were many ways we could have gotten a shot off and possibly a make up call if executed in a certain way.
Nevertheless. We can talk about what could've happened throughout the game. Everything could have happened accordingly they didn't have to call the whistle for Caleb he was making that layup as he did. Downhill with the big man in front of him on the perimeter he made the layup. If anything, it should have been an and 1. What dictated the final score of the game was the last play. That wasn't a foul. We can point fingers at Lloyd, or whoever on Arizona. Fact of the matter is Arizona was going to win that game. Townsend played as honest as you possibly can w/o getting a block or steal in that situation & Padilla made a really poor call from half court.
Quote from: arxpert on February 23, 2025, 12:08:30 PMQuote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 05:57:44 AMOur team played a solid game against a team that was up by 30+ throughout a majority of the game in Bill Self's worst loss of his entire career.
If somebody is looking to blame anybody outside of the call that blatantly gave the game away, they're obviously not a fan of Arizona.
Kansas isn't better than BYU. Simple as that.
Absolutely. It's crazy how those teams flipped throughout the season.
Kansas still has a crazy amount of talent and their senior night matchup scares me.
Quote from: LouieGTheThird on February 23, 2025, 02:05:52 PMQuote from: arxpert on February 23, 2025, 12:33:22 PMQuote from: LouieGTheThird on February 23, 2025, 09:03:58 AMWhat I don't agree about the statement or the post is the last call dictated the end of the game. That was not by any means a foul.
I agree, but I can also argue that the refs didn't need to issue a whistle for Caleb Love on the other end and in fact, that whistle forced Arizona to have to make 2 shots to gain the lead instead of just letting that very soft contact go in "Winning Time" and Love earns his layup to tie it.
Then I guarantee that there would have been no whistle on the other end on the final play.
When 1 whistle goes off, you can almost always count on another whistle going off. Especially ticky tack soft whistles.
If anyone wants to view it as a "hosing" or "ref agenda", then I would venture to say that the refs purposely tried to make it harder for us to tie or win the game by forcing the Caleb Love FTs and taking away the easy layup.
Or we can look at it more realistically and say that it was a smart play to try to get a foul on the floor by BYU knowing there is no Continuation And-1 and Love had an easy Layup. Well coached by BYU's HC.
Caleb Love stood under the rim and let "Keita" just lay a ball in, no effort at all. If he bear hugs Keita there, making him have to attempt 2 shots to earn 2 points, who knows. Maybe he misses.
That type of stuff is the difference in close games.
Tommy should have understood that 1 whistle begets the next whistle and called his defense to clog the lane shutting off any chance at a drive from anyone and just force BYU to try to win the game on what they did best all night, a long 3pt shot. Anyone should have been willing to live and die with that. Sometimes you need to "survive and advance".
It is tit for tat in basketball.
PS - I also agree on the 3.6 seconds. The team was just deflated and quit on the moment. Maybe Tommy should start practicing end of game play calls. There were many ways we could have gotten a shot off and possibly a make up call if executed in a certain way.
Nevertheless. We can talk about what could've happened throughout the game. Everything could have happened accordingly they didn't have to call the whistle for Caleb he was making that layup as he did. Downhill with the big man in front of him on the perimeter he made the layup. If anything, it should have been an and 1. What dictated the final score of the game was the last play. That wasn't a foul. We can point fingers at Lloyd, or whoever on Arizona. Fact of the matter is Arizona was going to win that game. Townsend played as honest as you possibly can w/o getting a block or steal in that situation & Padilla made a really poor call from half court.
Well I saw Townsend allow Saunders bump into him. He should have defended better if this is how you really feel and used agility to disallow being ever-so-slightly bumped into. That wasn't the best defense of all time. He was on skates as the drive started, then Saunders stopped and Townsend did his best, but his best wasn't good enough. Fact of the matter is he shouldn't have been on the floor and the wrong defensive strategy was called.
Tommy should have forced BYU to hit a 3pt shot by clogging the lane disallowing any drives at all. If we lost on a 3pt shot so be it. Wouldn't have been the first time and won't be the last time.
Tommy invited that whistle.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 05:18:55 PMQuote from: arxpert on February 23, 2025, 12:08:30 PMQuote from: KansasCityCats on February 23, 2025, 05:57:44 AMOur team played a solid game against a team that was up by 30+ throughout a majority of the game in Bill Self's worst loss of his entire career.
If somebody is looking to blame anybody outside of the call that blatantly gave the game away, they're obviously not a fan of Arizona.
Kansas isn't better than BYU. Simple as that.
Absolutely. It's crazy how those teams flipped throughout the season.
Kansas still has a crazy amount of talent and their senior night matchup scares me.
If we are every bit of what you say we are then we will win that game.