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FBI probe will change college basketball this season and for years to come

Arizona is the preseason No. 1 team here at CBS Sports. But how many players on that roster are subject to investigation? How many players could be held out or ruled ineligible? In a flash, Sean Miller's program has gone from preseason title favorite to an alleged cheating machine. The school has already canceled its media day scheduled for Wednesday. 

Read the Full Article below
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/fbi-probe-will-change-college-basketball-this-season-and-for-years-to-come/

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/con-man-steals-spotlight-as-informant-in-basketball-probe/ar-AAsy4Xc?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

https://sports.yahoo.com/feds-decided-college-basketballs-corruption-worth-time-171833684.html

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/columnists/dialcreech/article/College-basketball-corruption-scandal-just-in-its-12236501.php&cmpid=twitter-premium

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/pascoe/article_8cc25a98-a47b-11e7-9f56-a7f5565d084d.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share&id=201408

Doyel: FBI confirms NCAA doesn't run NCAA basketball. Shoe companies do.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2017/09/28/ncaa-presidents-blame-college-basketball-scandal-fbi-rick-pitino-louisville/711098001/

Charles Barkley weighs in....

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20850822

Balsa Koprivica is supposedly player 11. He was also a UofA recruit.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/913929448516390917

Brandon Williams, Shareef O'Neil appear to be on board for Arizona amid FBI investigation
http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/football/arizona-wildcats-recruits-brandon-williams-shareef-o-neal-appear-committed/article_f4143f78-5023-581f-a917-afe1bd0b0124.html

USC's Andy Enfield says Bland situation has been "difficult and very challenging and emotional for all of us"

A lot of no comments, which is what we'll get when Miller finally speaks

Read article below
http://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-usc-basketball-20170929-story,amp.html

Jay Bilas‏ @JayBilas

IU legal experts on the FBI probe. Is it truly illegal to circumvent NCAA amateurism, which itself may be illegal?

https://news.iu.edu/stories/2017/09/iub/releases/28-basketball-scandal-tip-sheet.html

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/09/29/college-basketball-corruption-scandal

Interesting statement from Auburn president. The same holds true for Arizona as the FBI said Arizona was not one of the universities under investigation.

Auburn president Steven Leath
"I think it says clearly that they don't think there's some structural problem or some broader problem at the university, that this was an isolated individual," Leath said. "I don't think anybody else knew. I don't think there's any indication at Auburn that anybody else knew about this."

Read the full article below
http://www.espn.com.au/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20869401/university-president-says-report-auburn-tigers-ad-inaccurate

Quote from: Seansbiggestfan on September 29, 2017, 02:37:57 PM
Charles Barkley weighs in....

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20850822

Sir Charles knows what's happening.  He's spot on

Hanson says UofA should self impose ban. I say, Hell No!

http://tucson.com/sports/greghansen/hansen-s-sunday-notebook-arizona-basketball-should-self-impose-probation/collection_9f4b010c-a632-11e7-8be5-cf3259790651.html

Interesting article by Pascoe, talks a lot about the FBI scandal and all the different options for UofA/NCAA. Mentions Jason Terry accepted over $11,000 total from agents which broke apart what was our 25 straight NCAA Tournament appearances into one of 14 straight after we had to vacate wins and a lot more below.

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/different-than-the-handshake-fbi-investigation-into-book-richardson-could/article_3f62197f-59a0-5029-8455-fe36a1c8fa29.amp.html

Here's the money quote:

"Also, the money involved in this case is very small at this point and to have attracted the attention of the (U.S. Attorney's) Southern District of New York, it's because they knew this would be a high-profile case.

"It's fun and rewarding for them, and shows they are protecting the rule of law — and in a context that most people are interested in more readily than some insider trading security case. It makes them look good."

Kinda makes you wonder how much the current political climate the FBI is swimming in...as I have read of late the FBI's defending the NCAA amateur rule is a very tenuous position...and when you look at the dollar amount involved here and figure in the cost-to-catch the perpetrators the FBI is clearly operating in the red here...I'm not sure this helps them any other way than to polish up the Elliot Ness plaque in Joons office.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/college-coaches-know-everything-that-goes-on-in-their-programs-even-rick-pitino/2017/09/27/07591920-a3a2-11e7-ade1-76d061d56efa_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.f6660e4c787b

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2017/10/01/louisville-basketball-rick-pitino-fbi-investigation-vindicated/721323001/

Pitino claims he'll be vindicated...I want to be skeptical, but honestly I'm going to err on the side of believing in humanity...

Brian Bowen hires attorney to seek reinstatement...(from Florida??? I wonder if Pitino helped?)

https://twitter.com/courierjournal/status/914673099789893633

The Man Who Exposed College Basketball

Marty Blazer couldn't believe what he had gotten himself into. By this summer, the Pittsburgh investment adviser had spent months crisscrossing the U.S., passing cash to coaches at some of the country's top college basketball programs. None of them seemed to know he was secretly helping federal authorities build one of the biggest alleged bribery and corruption cases in college sports history.

"This is surreal stuff," Mr. Blazer told a

Read the rest of the article below
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-man-who-started-college-basketballs-armageddon-1506902378

Notre Dame's Mike Brey: 'You never know completely" In the wake of the FBI investigation into college basketball

Read article below
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/notre-dame/2017/10/02/notre-dames-mike-brey-you-never-know-completely/725308001/

USC hires El Chapo & John Gotti Jr's Attorney...  He must not realize that both are in prison right now.

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/915238383487774720

http://allsportstucson.com/2017/10/04/source-arizona-preparing-claim-allegation-of-150000-offered-to-recruit-is-false/

Attorney for Federal college basketball corruption case defendant Christian Dawkins issues a statement:

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Interesting statement by Dawkins attorney.  I have a feeling this is going to start going down the "entrapment" road and "why now?"

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0707619032571843399-4

Supposedly the worst is yet to come.  Can we just hurry up it up to get the eyes off of Arizona already??

https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/916324472550055938

Full comments from Oregon HC Dana Altman on the FBI's investigation into NCAA recruiting. Talks about Arizona.

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Scandal update from dukes perspective. Lol, at how they rag on Greg Hansen.

https://www.dukebasketballreport.com/2017/10/5/16428460/thursdays-scandal-news-pitino-louisville-adidas

Holy $hit, Pitino pocketed 98% of adidas money

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20927320/report-says-rick-pitino-got-98-percent-cash-louisville-current-adidas-deal

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By Jeff Borzello

Arizona has kept its 2018 recruiting class intact so far, with Jahvon Quinerly (No. 23), Shareef O'Neal (No. 24) and Brandon Williams (No. 52) all remaining in the fold despite the arrest of assistant coach Emanuel "Book" Richardson.

Several of Sean Miller's biggest frontcourt targets, however, are also looking elsewhere.

Read the full article by Borzello below
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/20969019/fbi-investigation-sending-shockwaves-2018-recruits

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NCAA creates commission, led by Condoleezza Rice, to study college basketball

Read Article below
http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/index.ssf/2017/10/ncaa_creates_commission_led_by_condoleeza_rice_to_study_college_basketball.html

Federal grand jury issues sweeping subpoenas to USC and 3 other schools in basketball bribery case

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-college-basketball-investigation-20171011-story,amp.html

http://www.kansan.com/sports/fbi-says-it-cannot-release-documents-regarding-ku-involvement-with/article_af64a0ec-aeee-11e7-8c18-0b11a775fd20.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Any updates on this? Any new leaks on the schools to be involved in the FBI second wave we're suppose to have?

Rick Pitino officially fired as Louisville head coach
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/919996663682478080

Passed lie detector regarding Bowen
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/919994860555210755

Looks like the FBI scandal is about to change the NBA 1 & done rule.

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/919987195141935104

If lie detector tests were legally admissible, Pitino might have something, but they're not, and for good reason. Ultimately, it just looks like a desperate attempt to sway PR/public opinion 👎

NCCA News: Miami HC Jim Larranaga receives grand jury subpoena for texts, emails and other items for FBI investigation. The Miami Hurricanes could be in BIG trouble.

https://247sports.com/college/virginia-tech/Bolt/Report-Miamis-Jim-Larranaga-receives-grand-jury-subpoena-109118768

Rick Pitino received subpoena in college basketball fraud investigation

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2017/10/18/rick-pitino-received-subpoena-college-basketball-fraud-investigation/777299001/

https://twitter.com/jeffgreer_cj/status/920743937492611073

Interesting news on Nassir Little, who was recruited by Miami and Arizona — two schools tied to the FBI probe — signed a sworn affidavit denying that neither he nor his father, Harold, had solicited any kind of payment to play basketball at Miami or any other school.

Read the full article below
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-hurricanes/fl-sp-um-larranaga-subpoena-basketball-probe-fbi-20171018-story.html

Three defendants in college basketball bribery case discussing resolution with prosecutors.

Three orders filed Thursday in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York said attorneys for would-be sports agent Christian Dawkins, financial adviser Munish Sood and Florida AAU coach Jonathan Brad Augustine "have been engaged in, and are continuing, discussions concerning a possible disposition of these cases" with prosecutors.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-college-basketball-case-20171027-story.html

New article on the FBI scandal talks about Arizona possibly being next to name player or players ineligible due to FBI scandal.

I can't say for certain. But it'll surely be somebody, that seems certain, if only because Arizona assistant Book Richardson and USC assistant Tony Bland are accused of providing impermissible benefits to players or their families just like Auburn assistant Chuck Person allegedly provided impermissible benefits to the parents of Danjel Purifoy and Austin Wiley. To date, those players at Arizona and USC have not been publicly identified. But the FBI knows who they are. And Arizona and USC officials presumably know who they are. Which means their names will eventually be made public. Which means the schools would be foolish to play them because, if the players are eventually ruled retroactively ineligible, every game they appear in would likely be vacated.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/auburn-wont-be-the-only-school-to-hold-players-out-because-of-the-fbi-investigation/

This could be devastating.

Its Gary Parrish, 99% speculation as always...

There is absolutely nothing in the article that has any substance other than his "hunch" that some other school will expose student athletes who have received illegal benefits...

The last presser Miller gave indicated that other than injured players and players who have violated team rules he expects everyone to be on a full roster and ready to go...he would not have said such a thing if he had evidence that some of our players have received illegal benefits...

The issue of "family" or "handlers" getting benefits from Book or a shoe company is completely unrelated to actual school/NCAA rules...of course the rules make it plain that the University or the program itself cannot give benefit to those operators, but the NCAA cannot stop or make a rule about independent agents giving benefits outside of the program or the coaches knowledge to handlers...thats impossible to audit and falls outside of the jurisdiction of the school itself.

If handler "Uncle Mack" makes a deal with "Big Basket Ball Shoe Company Rep Agent Cody Banks" that he will steer his nephew to that company and Cody Banks wires him 18k and 3 bitcoins based on a handshake the school, nor the NCAA, nor the FBI can do anything about it, it's not illegal. It only becomes illegal if it violates interstate law or contract law or if Uncle Mack gives some of that money/bitcoin value to his nephew while he is in school and it is traceable to the original funds...hell once a kid gets a scholarship his family can give him any gift they want as long as it does not violate NCAA benefit rules...

100% complete and utter click bait. Nothing else.

Interesting update on Brian Bowen, may get to play at UL after all!


http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2017/11/02/louisville-basketball-brian-bowen-fbi-investigation/825604001/

Alabama's top incoming freshman is not eligible amid FBI investigation. Former Arizona AD Greg Byrne issues statement below. Hopefully he'll be eligible before the Arizona Vs Alabama game on December 9th.

https://twitter.com/SBNationCBB/status/927700850310635521

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After that BS with North Carolina, the NCAA needs to crawl back under a rock and stay there. If NC is clean, then damn near every player in the country should be cleared! Screw the NCAA!

Book Richardson due in court this week. "Expected" to also be indicted as the 2 below were.
Preliminary offers for reduced prison time in exchange for cooperation made, but believed no deals have been made.

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/928022962405609472

Appears Book Richardson was indeed indicted today.
No extension

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Munish Sood who one of the central figures surrounding Book Richardson allegations has a 2-week extension trying to work out a possible deal
Christian Dawkins was also indicted today

Craig Mordock, an attorney for Richardson, said "this is really pushing the envelope of what constitutes a crime."
He added: "An indictment is another step in the process. But once again, Emanuel Richardson is not guilty."

The quote above came from the below article which was put out today
http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/11/08/eight-men-indicted-college-basketball-bribery-scandal/

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/21342267/bruce-pearl-job-jeopardy-cooperate-auburn-internal-investigation

Arraignment set for next week for Book Richardson

http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/11/08/eight-men-indicted-college-basketball-bribery-scandal/

As expected, USC sophomore De'Anthony Melton is in street clothes while the Trojans warm up for their opener. No announcement from the school, but the FBI investigation mentioned a USC sophomore.

https://twitter.com/nathanfenno/status/929171434575818752

This may or may not be FBI related for Kansas, but the fact that he's being held out due to the team investigating how he got the car involved in an accident and Not because he was injured is big. FBI has everyone scared.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/930609149943181312

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UPDATE: The men indicted in the college basketball scandal will be arraigned next week in the Southern District of New York. Here's the schedule:
11/14 at 1030am: Chuck Person and Rashan Michel – Judge Preska
11/15 at 1130am: Lamont Evans, Book Richardson, Tony Bland, Christian Dawkins and Merl Code – Magistrate Court
11/15 at 4pm:  Jim Gatto, Christian Dawkins, Merl Code – Judge Kaplan

Article on arraignment below
http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/11/08/eight-men-indicted-college-basketball-bribery-scandal/

Book Richardson, Tony Bland, Lamont Evans, Christian Dawkins and Merl Code all pleaded not guilty this AM at their arraignments.

Next court date: Nov. 30.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/930839361314349062

"Today is the first step of the legal process. Book pled not guilty and remains not guilty. He looks forward to clearing his name." Books attorney CJ Mordock

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/930875931123646464

Good post and certainly makes you think, what if.  But...doesn't belong in the FBI thread.

What does that statement about the Kansas player even mean?

Kerrfan, it means he got in a car accident and when they asked for license and registration it didn't belong to him and the car was similar to the one shown below

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The biggest news out of Book pleading not guilty & his attorney stating that they want to clear his name is that we are now 100% sure that Book has not flipped on Miller.  Our biggest worry was that he would say that Miller knew of money being given to players. So far this is the only good news out of all of this. 

Check out how much it's costing UofA for Lawyers in the FBI investigation. Bribery scandal could cost UA $600K in legal fees



https://twitter.com/KVOA/status/931563542175678466

Full story below
http://www.kvoa.com/story/36864770/n4t-investigators-expensive-defense

Video reveals key inconsistency in FBI complaint that led USC to sit De'Anthony Melton

Interesting story below on USC's Melton who's being held out due to FBI scandal. I'm curious on if there is footage involving Book that will be coming out soon.

Security camera footage is inconsistent with the FBI's account of an August meeting that is a key part of the college basketball bribery case against USC associate head coach Tony Bland and would-be sports agent Christian Dawkins

The video and the criminal complaint in the case differ on one main point: The complaint said that the undercover agent provided Dawkins an envelope containing $5,000 to give to the family friend at Bland's direction, and that the friend received the money. The video — clear, in color, stamped with the Aug. 31 date and time across the top, but without sound — shows Dawkins receiving the money and leaving with it.

The complaint also states that the money was provided to Dawkins before the meeting, but the video shows the undercover agent brought an envelope to the meeting.

Read the rest of the story below
http://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/la-sp-usc-melton-video-20171128-story.html

Arizona comes in at #10 in College basketball's 20 biggest surprises this season: I think it says a lot.

9. The FBI's investigation has drifted a bit. I certainly expected the games to drive a lot of the conversation, but think back to the middle of October. The tenor of college hoops then was that the FBI's unprecedented case into the crooked ways of recruiting would be something that thrummed weekly throughout the season. That just hasn't been the case yet. It's still there, hanging like a black curtain behind all of what's happening on the stage, but the big question for coaches is: Who's going to be next, and did the FBI dramatically play up how much evidence it really had?

10. Arizona hasn't officially suspended a player. Subscribers to our CBS college hoops pod are familiar with a discussion Gary Parrish and I had back in November. We suspected that Arizona would do what Auburn, USC and Oklahoma State did: suspend a player, or players, who were under suspicion for ineligibility. Auburn continues to sit Purifoy and Wiley. Oklahoma State's Jeffrey Carroll had to miss games for the Cowboys. USC's De'Anthony Melton still has not played for the Trojans. Yet Arizona has not a thing. Rawle Alkins missed the first nine games of the season due to what has only been attributed as something injury-induced, but otherwise? Nothing from Sean Miller. This was eyebrow-raising to many, and if the NCAA or FBI comes to find players were on the court despite having broken laws or bylaws, then it could retroactively put Arizona's 2017-18 season in jeopardy.

Read the other 18 below
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketballs-20-biggest-surprises-this-season-kentucky-has-been-quiet-so-far/amp/

Second potentially embarrassing development this week for FBI in the basketball corruption case.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/962335735163621377

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/filings-show-potentially-critical-error-feds-college-hoops-corruption-case-023301641.html?__twitter_impression=true


Undercover agent involved in FBI NCAA scandal may have been compromised. This has now officially become a Big Joke. Hopefully this will help the case cause the case to just completely fall apart.

https://twitter.com/playersprogramu/status/961651401834225670
https://twitter.com/joeyrkaufman/status/961642145403715584

Does anyone else believe that "ACE" from PGU was Munish Sood, the wealthy financier indicted in this Federal investigation ? Ace was obviously of Indian ethnicity, and always posted(boasted) of his collection of tricked out vehicles and his house on the beach in Cali? The logical explanation for how he was so omniscient and clairvoyant is that Ace was connected to Book, visited practices in RJ gym, knew stuff that only people who interact with coaches and recruits would know. Then ACE "died" and pgu ceased right when the investigation got really heated..... anyone onboard?

His other businesses are functioning fine as be has people close to him in place to keep them going. I have kept quiet about this because I was not sure about his status. I have had my thoughts on the issue, but when he died he has never contacted me again. I think most people knew he did not really die but his involvement died. Only the FBI thjng has emerged as big enough to push Ace out. I do not know for sure, but 2+2 usually equals 4.

I also believe that with the corruption found in the government, that this will mostly wash away in the coming months as now there is corruption in this case as well and there are major issues at the upper end of the FBI.

Federal prosecutors have asked a judge to drop criminal charges against Jonathan Brad Augustine, the ex-AAU director who was one of the 10 men arrested last year as part of an alleged corruption scandal in college basketball. Looks like the FBI case is slowly falling a part. 

https://twitter.com/WongSportsLaw/status/963442807066300416

ESPN:

Feds drop charges against AAU basketball program director in Adidas scandal case http://es.pn/2Ep

Another FBI article says there are a lot more schools that'll be in trouble once everything comes out.

https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/963917763751358465

SI is also saying 30+ schools are going to be named in the FBI scandal. The FBI was quick to release info & name Arizona, Louisville, USC, Oklahoma State, Auburn & Miami. The names of the 30+ schools need to be released ASAP. Until then the unnamed schools now have an unfair advantage over the schools already named. What is the FBI waiting for??

https://twitter.com/si_ncaabb/status/964227586695073793

Wow, Book Richardson's trial date is set for 4/22/19. Really? 15 months from now...

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/964235662911328257

@Wild, you're SO right! Why does Arizona have to ride such a longer wave than these 30 other schools? Then, once the list comes out, recruits will have another interesting decision to make:

1) Do I go overseas?
2) Do I play at one of these 30 programs anyway?
3) Do I play for a mid major?

If this gets to the point where the NCAA has to review what action is to be taken against 30 of its top programs, what does it ultimately decide? Does it dare keep all 30 out of the tournament? I seriously doubt they would go that far...and risk having no one watch?

What do you all think?

FBI articles are coming out and if the sources are right something big is coming soon

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/964274750439731200

If the FBI were a Ship, it sure wouldn't float long with all the leaks in the Bureau anymore.

Sounds like something is going to come out before the tournament with all these leaks

Well, this is terrifying.....


"When this all comes out, Hall of Fame coaches should be scared, lottery picks won't be eligible to play and almost half of the 16 teams the NCAA showed on its initial NCAA tournament show this weekend should worry about their appearance being vacated."

Are these the same sources that were claiming the next shoe would drop back in October?

USC probe finds no institutional wrong-doing - http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22467629/internal-probe-finds-no-institutional-neglect-usc-trojans-basketball-program

Well this is interesting. Looks like this guy might have figured out some of the teams with HOF coaches and lottery picks could be. What do you guys think?

https://twitter.com/yibyabby/status/964620425752973312

Any investigation fkr corruption that does not include North Carolina and the NCAA itself has no creditability at all!

Pete Thamel the man who says HOF coaches and lottery picks will go down talks to Rich Eisen.

Another FBI article talking about agent Andy Miller and how deep this scandal goes

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/966468230255710208

So release it already!  If they have dirt of us let's hear about it.  Don't just single us and a few other programs out.  If they have dirt on 30-50 programs, release it all.  Blow the whole thing up if it's all dirty and let's get to work building college basketball back from the ground up.

Well, that is very depressing....... :( \>:(

The only Zona player I see connected to Andy Miller or ASM is Zeus. Anyone know if there is anyone else?

Zeus is the only one with a connection that i see also.

Report: NCAA teams, players ID'd in FBI probe
http://es.pn/2GE2xcQ

With Markelle Fultz being named for getting $10,000, I wonder if Romar's name will come up also?

So much for the 100k Bowen supposedly got. This does not clear us, but certainly does not put us in the spotlight. Still due to wire tap laws, most of the original info was aquired illegally and may not be able to be used. Question I have is where does this involved national security, or terror related events? No school shootings or security issues which the FBI is reaponsible for. This is kind of out of their jurisdiction. So like with Trump, this is all hog wash stuff the FBI is doing.

Quote from: Little George on February 23, 2018, 07:18:56 AM
So much for the 100k Bowen supposedly got. This does not clear us, but certainly does not put us in the spotlight. Still due to wire tap laws, most of the original info was aquired illegally and may not be able to be used. Question I have is where does this involved national security, or terror related events? No school shootings or security issues which the FBI is reaponsible for. This is kind of out of their jurisdiction. So like with Trump, this is all hog wash stuff the FBI is doing.

Agreed!

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Wire fraud, racketeering, money laundering, coordinated coruption. I'd say this is definitely in the FBI's jurisdiction. Time for big changes at the NCAA. Mark Emmert pretending to be shocked has gotten old, college sports being dirty has been the worst kept secret in the world. EVERYBODY knew this was happening, it's time to just let the free market determine these kids' value and drop the BS amateurism stuff. The cat is out of the bag and there will be no way to go back to the way things were.

This is HUGE!  All of the players named should be ineligible immediately, this could get ugly!!

Guess which team name is not in this picture 😁 Not gonna lie, I was worried we'd be named again somehow when all this came out, WOW, JUST WOW! Finally, the blue blood's day has come!
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Fultz getting paid while at Washington could be the only real thing that we might want to pay more attention with Romar now being with us
https://articles.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2018/02/did_sixers_markelle_fultz_accept_money_before_play.amp?__twitter_impression=true


Here's a link to the main breaking FBI story showing all the teams and players in case you missed it
https://articles.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2018/02/did_sixers_markelle_fultz_accept_money_before_play.amp?__twitter_impression=true

I love that Utah is also on the list! 

Great we weren't named but neither was Lousiville and we know the FBI has Book on tape talking about our guys. No need to celebrate just yet but with the Big 4 being named  I'd say it softens the blow to Zona a bit in recruiting at least it should.

Quote from: PBCatfan on February 23, 2018, 08:41:35 AM
Great we weren't named but neither was Lousiville and we know the FBI has Book on tape talking about our guys. No need to celebrate just yet but with the Big 4 being named  I'd say it softens the blow to Zona a bit in recruiting at least it should.

Yes, but that was technically illegal of the FBI to do that. Same as with Trump! Corruption is everywhere and that includes the FBI and the NCAA. Just not sure which one is dirtier or if it even matters. Between those facts and the fact that the PAC has traditionally treated Arizona like the red headed step child is was and is, along with Scott's total hate for Arizona, I wouldn't be surprised by much of anything Arizona athletics right now. I am a big supporter of at least applying for membership in the Big 12. Show that we expect more. Big 12 sucks, but it is what it is. That alone would bring a lot of attention to the facts. If nothing changes Arizona will never get to the next level and sustain it. That would only eliminate the PAC 12 issues, but it would be a good start. I was also hoping for the power 5 to break away from the ncaa when it came up recently. Did not happen. Maybe Trump can clean up the FBI and that would certainly help.

Lol I'm not touching the Trump part, that dude is a moron. Back to the Cats, I have considered what it would look like for Zona to switch conferences and I'm not sure it would make sense. If we go to the Big12 we will lose our foothold on the West coast recruits. They wont play in front of their families and traveling SUCKS to the truck stops that make up the towns the universities of the Big12 are located in.

The FBI had an informant, that isn't illegal and it would be foolish to think this all just goes away and our program will get off scott free. They have Book dead to rights, Book is playing the good soldier and hasn't allowed them to confirm he gave any of the money that was intended for the players to them. There are other ways we could be implicated and if the FBI starts interviewing former players all bets are off. Players making millions aren't gonna mess with the FBI to save their college program some face.

Here's another one related to the yahoo one.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22553502/fbi-probe-corruption-reveals-basketball-powers-broken-ncaa-rules

Still don't see anything on any specific current or former players, or mention of UA at all for that matter. Unless I've missed something while skimming around on my short lunch time

 Louisville is on the list under Dawkins expense report. Arizona is not on any of the lists maybe there is truth to Miller being a witch like I've heard mentioned.

Quotes from school AD's involved and the NCAA on info just released on teams and players involved in NCAA scandal

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/967034179228758016

Quote from: PBCatfan on February 23, 2018, 10:53:45 AM
Lol I'm not touching the Trump part, that dude is a moron. Back to the Cats, I have considered what it would look like for Zona to switch conferences and I'm not sure it would make sense. If we go to the Big12 we will lose our foothold on the West coast recruits. They wont play in front of their families and traveling SUCKS to the truck stops that make up the towns the universities of the Big12 are located in.

The FBI had an informant, that isn't illegal and it would be foolish to think this all just goes away and our program will get off scott free. They have Book dead to rights, Book is playing the good soldier and hasn't allowed them to confirm he gave any of the money that was intended for the players to them. There are other ways we could be implicated and if the FBI starts interviewing former players all bets are off. Players making millions aren't gonna mess with the FBI to save their college program some face.

To each their own on the trump thing. Moron? Maybe, but there was no other option and hasn't been in the last 20 plus years. Wire tap of American citizens is illegal without the visa court approval. The grounds really doesn't meet the reauired criteria for it. So any taping would be boarder line illegal at best. Not only that when you look at the over all picture, Arizona is only mentioned because of Book, Book was a late comer into the picture as well as one of the smallest players. He was caught hand in the jar is why he was nailed, but minor in comparison to the others listed. Serious issue yes, but not the end of the world.
As for making a move, I would just put the name in the hat. One thing the PAC does not want to do is lose a member right now. It woud look really bad for a member to be shopping around. Not saying we would need to move. I would not like the move either, but until the University stands up for itself, nothing will change.

Hey all! Came across this..

Teams identified in FBI probe
The following teams were mentioned in Yahoo!'s report. Other teams such as Auburn, Arizona and Oklahoma State were implicated when the original charges came out last September.

Potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment for players and families:
Alabama, Duke, Kentucky, LSU, Maryland, Michigan State, NC State, North Carolina, Seton Hall, Texas, USC, Washington

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22555512/explaining-ncaa-college-basketball-scandal-players-coaches-agents

Some programs will have no way out of facing some harsh implications, however it seems like they may give some mercy to teams like us who had little or less to do with the main probe i.e. Book acting alone with no proof (as of yet) that transactions took place   

Ball says everybody is getting paid and everyone knows
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/967154113338372096

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22559284/sean-miller-arizona-christian-dawkins-discussed-payment-ensure-deandre-ayton-signing-according-fbi-investigation
I'm turning in my chips now...

Grand jury subpoenas documents related to new Cal State Northridge coach Mark Gottfried in college basketball probe(Gottfried coached NC State for 6 years until parting ways with them last year)

http://www.latimes.com/sports/more/la-sp-csun-grand-jury-20180316-story.html

Uh oh ASU really is getting involved in the FBI scandal!

https://twitter.com/nathanfenno/status/974706418598273024

ASU assistant coach Anthony Coleman is Hurley's main recruiter and just landed a top 25 adidas recruit. He also visited Cherry before he committed to ASU...

This could get very interesting

I wonder if they were waiting until teams were done to start releasing more indictments?  Could be a VERY interesting few weeks!

Dawkins lawyer was trying to get the wiretaps thrown out, but denied by judge

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2018/03/27/louisville-recruiting-investigation-wiretaps-christian-dawkins-fbi/461488002/

Confusing FBI news on one time former Arizona recruit Little who was to be paid to go to Louisville, but agent claims he never paid him and gets off Scott free.

https://twitter.com/TheWillHobson/status/981561599315017728

WILD, I wonder if this was also the same case where the agent disappeared in Las Vegas with the cash?  That could be why it got dropped.  Whole thing is just past ridiculous now!

Why would an FBI agent offering money to do something illegal not be entrapment.  If the FBI would not have offered the money, there would be no crime?  I did not think that was the way the Justice system worked.

There's bad folks in every walk of life. The FBI is no different.

Quote from: wc on April 04, 2018, 04:49:16 PM
Why would an FBI agent offering money to do something illegal not be entrapment.  If the FBI would not have offered the money, there would be no crime?  I did not think that was the way the Justice system worked.

from Wikipedia

QuoteFederal court
Federal courts apply a subjective test for claims of entrapment. In federal criminal prosecutions, if a defendant proves entrapment the defendant may not be convicted of the underlying crime. A valid entrapment defense has two related elements:

government inducement of the crime, and
the defendant's lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal conduct.

The federal entrapment defense is based upon statutory construction, the federal courts' interpretation of the will of Congress in passing the criminal statutes. As this is not a Constitutional prohibition, Congress may change or override this interpretation by passing a law.

Wow, May be more bad news for Kansas, Louisville, Miami, & NC State.
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/983819942490288128
https://twitter.com/nathanfenno/status/983819870448975872
Read more below
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-s-office-announces-additional-charges-against-athletic-apparel-company

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/983827318530600961

Looks like its Kansas & NC State St are the newest teams in more FBI trouble
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/983826326657294336
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/983820411375837185

Wow, I bet a lot of Kansas fans are busy eating crow right about now
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/983827948494098432

There were a lot of stories about JJ's mom during recruitment that sounded similar to the Bagley racket.

https://twitter.com/DanaONeilWriter/status/983822729748115457

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/983838302863282177

While we need to maintain our stance of "Innocent until proven guilty", this certainly is more compelling than the Miller/Ayton report because this new info is actual FBI charges...not just a reporter saying something happened with no evidence. Let's see if ESPN rakes Kansas over the coals like they did us. Let's see if Jay Bilas expresses the highest level of disgust towards them like he did to Miller (Dick V, you too).

Interesting how the Sean Miller/Ayton story was all over ESPN every 5-10 min utes and across the bottom line every 30 sec. New actual FBI documents released on Kansas and NCState and there is absolutely no coverage at all!

Quote from: Az_catfan on April 10, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
Interesting how the Sean Miller/Ayton story was all over ESPN every 5-10 min utes and across the bottom line every 30 sec. New actual FBI documents released on Kansas and NCState and there is absolutely no coverage at all!

Because, not "their" news... They barely covered Yahoo story as well.

Quote from: abroadcats on April 11, 2018, 01:22:47 AM

Quote from: Az_catfan on April 10, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
Interesting how the Sean Miller/Ayton story was all over ESPN every 5-10 min utes and across the bottom line every 30 sec. New actual FBI documents released on Kansas and NCState and there is absolutely no coverage at all!

Because, not "their" news... They barely covered Yahoo story as well.

Or those are schools within conferences that play on ESPN regularly so not the news they want to push.

Kansas should be in trouble since proven that De Sousa was paid. Also Josh Jackson's mom getting paid with proof is big. We'll see what the NCAA.

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/984896338050666496

This could be interesting

https://twitter.com/NCAA/status/988462651549339648

So this is the NCAA? Not the FBI?  I thought the FBI had to completely finish their investigation before the NCAA could even start theirs.

http://www.ncaa.org/governance/commission-college-basketball

Looks to me like they will simply make recommendations on how the NCAA should update their policies regarding the subjects contained in the link above. I don't think this is going to be about penalizing anyone at this time.

Here we go! Looks like one of the aau coaches is going to spill all the beans on paying players to go to certain schools.

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/989974050335272966

And here's more
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/989976225044140035

Big development in FBI case. Kansas could actually end up being in some trouble.

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/990211809591398400

uh no, they are the victim silly. just ask them.

No.  Whatever violations Kansas may or may not have committed, they were all obviously Sean Miller's fault.

When can the people find out the bull crap that ESPN is pulling.  Publicly program damaging to some and not the blue bloods.  Criminals.  Unjust. 

New article on FBI scandal & how entire case may rest on Rogue FBI agent 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/could-a-rogue-fbi-agent-derail-the-ncaa-corruption-probe/ar-AAxHptg?li=BBnba9I

Maryland and Kansas FBI news

https://twitter.com/Basketbalreport/status/1015569899807109121

I'm oh Kansas has been officially subpoenaed in connection with FBI probe

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/1016782454718427136

This is a huge story. And Kansas hiding behind FERPA -- which is a law that protects the privacy of "education records" and has absolutely nothing to do with personal privacy of under-the-table payments -- is an abuse of a well-intentioned statute. KU should be embarrassed.

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/1016692948262584320

Can't wait until this whole thing goes away.

Either "blow up" college basketball & punish every D-1 school...or "let it go" and ensure that it never happens again.

Sick of waiting (while each program gets nailed "one at a time").

At least Dukie V will have another program to rip on.  Wait...he won't say a negative word about Bill Self...

Kansas has been in the news like crazy with the FBI news, but non of the talking heads is making a big deal about it. This is such BS!  Take a look at the latest FBI jayhawk news below.

https://twitter.com/CBSSportsCBB/status/1022164581706354689

KU Representatives were in NY discussing the allegations & nobody was aware.

Not sure why ESPN lets them off the hook...but still won't "clear" Arizona by confirming that their initial story was absolute BS.

Local radio referenced Arizona yesterday & compared Ayton's situation to DeSouza...which is ridiculous because Ayton was NEVER caught (just accused by the fake ESPN story).

Can't wait until the FBI allows the NCAA to clear up this whole mess.  They need to set new guidelines & move on (so Miller/Arizona know how to move forward with the future of our program).

Louisville altered docs to hide that Christian Dawkins visited with Bowen.

https://twitter.com/JasonRileyWDRB/status/1035005076119728129

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I missed this a few days back. Dickie V really does have a thing for Patino. What a joke!

https://twitter.com/DickieV/status/1033865885537038336

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2018/9/26/17905914/fbi-college-basketball-investigation-every-school-recruiting-louisville-usc-arizona

Arizona

The Impact

The FBI's indictment alleged that Book Richardson, a top assistant to Sean Miller since 2009, accepted $20,000 in bribes from Dawkins and Sood for steering a top Arizona point guard recruit to work with them. The recruit in question is believed to be five-star floor general Jahvon Quinerly, who wound up signing with Villanova. Richardson, who was arrested, was immediately placed on administrative leave and subsequently fired in January.

Arizona's role in this scandal blew up in February when ESPN's Mark Schlabach released a report alleging the FBI had caught Miller on a wiretap explicitly discussing a $100,000 to ensure that center DeAndre Ayton would sign with the school. The next night, Miller did not coach the Wildcats' game against Oregon, but Ayton played. As details from Schlabach's report became more and more refuted, Miller returned to the team and coached the rest of the season without issue.

The Wildcats began the season ranked No. 3 in the country, struggled through the first half of the year, but appeared to hit their stride in March with a Pac-12 tournament triumph. That belief was squashed a week later when 13-seed Buffalo ran all over Miller's team en route to a stunning 89-68 upset in the first round of the NCAA tournament.

Where They Are Now

Arizona's 2018 recruiting class was hurt by the FBI investigation, most notably when Shareef O'Neal (Shaq's son) flipped his commitment to UCLA following the release of Schlabach's report for ESPN. Though the Wildcats figure to take a step backwards in 2018-19, it appears as though they'll be back on course in short order. The best evidence for that is the recent commitment of Nico Mannion, the top-ranked point guard in the class of 2019. Just days after Mannion's commitment, Miller also received a pledge from 7-footer Christian Koloko.

Interesting that more writers outside of ESPN are still referencing Schlabach's article...but never mention that ESPN essentially retracted the accusations in their entirety via their "errors page". 

Maybe this guy is trying to get a job with ESPN.  Regardless, more people (outside of Arizona) should be aware that the story was pulled back.

Quote from: KansasCityCats on September 27, 2018, 06:16:03 AM
Interesting that more writers outside of ESPN are still referencing Schlabach's article...but never mention that ESPN essentially retracted the accusations in their entirety via their "errors page". 

Maybe this guy is trying to get a job with ESPN.  Regardless, more people (outside of Arizona) should be aware that the story was pulled back.

Shows the power of the news media.  Dumb-asses can say anything and it'll stick. :(

alongside today's ESPN article (written by Schlabach!) about the trial starting is a box labelled 'Editors Picks' which contains a link to the 'Sean Miller talked payment on wiretap' pile of crap written by Schlabach

of course people will quote that story when ESPN is still promoting it, despite having walked back or edited major portions, despite no evidence

great, now I'm all pist off again

The trial for Christian Dawkins the agent who allegedly paid Book Richardson in the FBI scandal begins tomorrow. Can't wait till the trials are all over, so we can close the door on this nightmare. 

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1046552332241170435

Mark Schlabach comes out of hiding to write an article about the FBI trials and repeats a lot of the BS story he put out back in February. Of course he uses a picture of Miller in his story. This guy needs to be fired already!  Also, notice how Schlabach won't tweet out his own story and has another reporter do it for him. Pathetic!

https://twitter.com/ESPNRittenberg/status/1046741140794494977

This his how a real news network release their FBI trial story. Notice there's no Pic of Miller and it's just straight facts.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1046725846927659009

From the Mark SlobHack ESPN article Monday 10/1

ESPN reported in February that defendant Christian Dawkins and Arizona coach Sean Miller had discussions about a $100,000 payment to ensure that star center DeAndre Ayton, the No. 1 pick in June's NBA draft, signed with the Wildcats. Arizona's outside counsel, Paul Kelly of Boston, said Ayton denied receiving money to influence his decision in multiple interviews with the FBI and NCAA.

At the time, Miller denied the allegations -- and adamantly insisted he had never willfully broken NCAA rules. Arizona officials have denied multiple open-records requests from ESPN for any subpoenas the university received from the federal government for information and grand jury testimony related to the investigation. They repeatedly cited "the balancing test established by the Arizona courts to protect the best interests of the state."


Notice the not-so-subtle attempts at being disingenuous - "ESPN reported", not "I used anonymous sources that still have not been verified"

"At the time, Miller denied" not "Miller has consistently and vehemently denied"

Then he implies that the UofA is hiding something because they won't release all of the subpoenas

he's clever, probably has ESPN lawyers reviewing his stuff, great job attempting character assassination using simple tricks

a decent man would have written that since his accusations, no corroborated the story, that he had made several factual errors in his report, and that most real sports journalists had distanced themselves from his bullshit

Even if these 'discussions' did happen, he still hasn't come right out and said Miller was attempting to arrange the transaction. For all we know, he was declining to get involved or trying to prevent it from happening. On the other hand, ESPN sure is trying hard to make it look like Miller was involved in attempting to make the payment happen rather than any other perspective on it.

I'm sorry, but appearance is everything in a case like this. I'm sure Arizona has a bevy of attorney's working around the clock on this, and doing a ton behind the scenes, but they need to be 100% in front of the scenes in this particular instance. This is completely slanderous and is directly affecting recruiting and public perception regardless of presence of truth or lack thereof. It shows complete weakness and lack of control over the situation. Flippin' protect the damn University and do your damn jobs.

Adam Zagoria is a special guest written for the daily star and wrote the story below. In Monday's trial it was said that Arizona offered 150k for Little. They'll be talking more about this this week. Nothing really new here. It'll be interesting to see what proof they have if any. Read the story below.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1046849024710647810

Bowen's father cut a deal:

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1047172676475863041

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on October 01, 2018, 10:09:22 PM
Adam Zagoria is a special guest written for the daily star and wrote the story below. In Monday's trial it was said that Arizona offered 150k for Little. They'll be talking more about this this week. Nothing really new here. It'll be interesting to see what proof they have if any. Read the story below.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1046849024710647810

Interesting, wonder if the Star feels their reporters/columnists should back off due to earlier issues?

Oregon is now being accused by adidas agents of offering 100k for Bowen. Why was this not put out there by the agents even if it's untrue??  It's like they purposely left Oregon out & the ducks didn't have to suffer being named in the FBI scandal this whole time.   

https://sports.yahoo.com/opening-statements-college-hoops-corruption-trial-drag-oregon-fray-reveal-strategies-174516177.html

Another story on Oregon being the 1st team mentioned
https://247sports.com/Article/Attorney-Oregon-offered-astronomical-money-to-college-basketball-recruit-Brian-Bowen-122807787/

Here's another article on the latest FBI trial news involving Oregon

Gatto's legal team brought a new school into scope and did so with a bombshell accusation. Oregon has now been roped into this story in a significant way.

During opening statement this morning, Jim Gattto's atty promised evidence would show Oregon offered "an atronomical amount of money" to recruit Brian Bowen to play for the Ducks. The $100,000 deal to attend Louisville was to "level the playing field."

Read the full CBS article below
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-corruption-trials-get-underway-with-bombshell-opening-statement-from-defense-team/

Looks like the defense is going to attempt to drag Nike schools into this. Not surprising. Interesting to see if they have any evidence. Also interesting that Adidas seemed to win the bidding war in each alleged case. IF there's actual evidence UA offered $, then likely facing sanctions, along with half the NCAA.

Also expecting ASU to get dragged in any moment... an Adidas school with a former Adidas executive as an assistant coach. Losing records, but all of a sudden started pulling 4/5 Star recruits? Nothing fishy there.

University of Oregon as issued a statement regarding the school being accused of offering 100k for Bowen in the FBI trial.

"The university is aware of the claim made by a defense attorney in New York's U.S. District Curt as part of opening statements in a criminal trial related to college basketball recruiting," it read. "To date, the University of Oregon has not been contacted by the federal government or any other party involved in these proceedings. We take the claim seriously and will monitor the court proceedings closely for any further details."

Read the full story below
https://247sports.com/college/oregon/Article/Oregon-basketball-FBI-Jim-Gatto-Brian-Bowen-Cheating-Accusations-122813596/

So, the official FBI wiretap dates have been released & there were NO wiretaps until June 19, 2017. Ayton signed with Arizona in November of 2016 & was on campus when the wiretaps began. Mark Schlaback's BS ESPN story has been debunked! #CheckYourSources

https://twitter.com/playersprogramu/status/1047294195784773632

Exactly! AND Oregon is only being named by someone from ADDIDAS so that they can get what they want for him in the way of funding. Like hiring into a job, Some other company is offering more. So, the story is always the competitor is offering more and that happens to be Nike, so any Nike school is a target.

Arizona isn't one of the 4 programs indicted in the case.  Despite their involvement, ESPN threw them back on the front page.

After this situation is resolved, I'm assuming the U of A, Ayton and Miller will be suing ESPN for slander.  They're specifically targeting a scapegoat that is not the focal point of this specific trial.

Understood KC, but the Addidas Nike, and likely UA at some point battle for top talent is each group playing their pitch against the other. Same with agents. So if they want more money it is simple for some one to say that the other company, school, sponsor, etc... offered this much to enhance what they are offered. Arizona offered a lesser player 150k? I don't think so. Even the kid denied it. Maybe some body thought to be speak for Arizona said yea 150k, but it was not the school. But these people all use these tactics on a regular basis and paying players would not fix the issue either. The NCAA has allowed this to go on at their chosen schools while hammering lesser schools for ticky tac stuff like the Boise State issue. The NCAA is directly responsible for this outcome by playing favorites and turning the other cheek when it comes to their dear UNC/Dukie/Auburn(FB)/and others chosen school.

It all comes back to money. Of course, the NCAA are going to protect their cash cow programs and make the ones that aren't expendable. If you're not an NCAA favorite, you'll be used as an example "See? We DO crack down on these issues!" knowing most casual fans aren't paying enough attention to notice that certain programs are exempt from scrutiny.

Bowen's father will be the most interesting person in this trial. He was granted immunity if he testified and if he lies he could go to jail.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1047627006416965632

Adidas trying to poi t fingers but cannot point at another Adidas school so why not Oregon? Arizona was a big name to throw around early on. Never say we have never crossed a line, but this is way out there.

Lots of claims by the sports agents, but still no proof. Arizona St is sorta mentioned.

https://twitter.com/TheWildcaster/status/1047631146689867777

Latest Yahoo story rehashes what has already been said & shows email between sports agent Dawkins talking about Pasternik, Book & Bowen. I hate that this is being repeated Again. Still just talk between agents via email.

https://sports.yahoo.com/black-market-diaries-emails-hoops-corruption-case-detail-inner-workings-sports-underbelly-030605930.html

Bowen Sr claims Lousvile coach Kenny Johnson paid him $1300 cash. Johnson was not one of the assistant coaches arrested & is currently an assistant coach at La Salle. He was also asked if Oregon assistant gave him $3000 & he answered by saying "I don't recall".

Read more about this in the story below.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2018/10/09/brian-bowen-sr-ex-louisville-basketball-coach-gave-me-cash/1577052002/

We know two Kansas players were paid. We know Louisville players were paid. We know the Little family (under oath) denied any mention of money from Arizona. We know that the only mention of money from Arizona to Bowen was from Dawkins, who was not representing Arizona. Dawkins was recruiting future NBA stars to sign with him as an agent! We know SM walked him off. We know that when the FBI said that coaches and schools were being mentioned that were not the targets of the investigation that Arizona was the headliner in the news and the only ones targeted by the news. That in itself should open some eyes?
Yet, the only school that remains consistently in the cross hairs of the media seems to be Arizona. Does this sound like the Russian collusion hoax? Sure sounds that way to me!

Arizona is a Nike school. Oregon is a Nike school. Both also PAC 12 schools. Easy targets for ESPN and others because we have a spineless leader at the head of the conference. Adidas is looking pretty corrupt right now. So pointing the finger is the easy thing to do. Why USC and UCLA are not being targeted I do not know, but then again they do seem to be the favorites of our fearless PAC 12 commish.

There is a whole lot more that back this stuff, but we are being targeted.

I am glad I do not wear Adidas anymore and haven't in a while. Business can be such a dirty "business" and when you get someone feeling left out they will do what they can to drag you down to their level. At the same time I really do not wear Nike shoes (I sport Lakai - skate shoes), but I did buy the AZ cross trainers for my son and I. Now I despise Adidas and will never look at them the same.

Maybe Sean Miller and the UA cooperated with the Feds (and refused to participate in the payouts) and the fallout was the way of getting back at Arizona/Sean Miller for doing so.

Quote from: Little George on October 09, 2018, 11:55:43 AM

Yet, the only school that remains consistently in the cross hairs of the media seems to be Arizona. Does this sound like the Russian collusion hoax? Sure sounds that way to me!

I think Arizona is the biggest fish besides Kansas to be involved. As far as basketball programs, the others that are mentioned aren't on the same level as Arizona and Kansas. They don't have the allure of "blue blood" programs. Since  media will protect Kansas, Arizona is going to get the attention. It's not fair, but the media is about advert $, not actual truth or news.

Today in court a text message was shown between Brian Bowen's father and former Louisville assistant coach Kenny Johnson arranging a $1300 payment. If the text message is legit than that's proof and a big deal.

https://twitter.com/Bhart_vw/status/1049822084761772032

Link to the story
https://t.co/BfDEy83wBu

Am I reading this correctly? At the start of Bowen's testimony, he implicated 4 programs:

"At the start of Bowen Sr.'s testimony last week, he implicated four assistant coaches who he said Dawkins told him were offering money or other improper benefits for his son. They ranged from an offer to "help me with housing" from Texas assistant coach Mike Morrell, a $50,000 offer from Arizona assistant coach Joe Pasternack, to an offer of $100,000 and "a lucrative job" from Creighton assistant coach Preston Murphy, and an offer of $150,000 cash from Oklahoma State assistant coach Lamont Evans."

But in Tuesday's testimony, he only acknowledged three of the offers... notice who's missing?

"On Tuesday, Bowen Sr. acknowledged three of those offers: $100,000 and "high-paying" jobs for Bowen Sr. and Bowen's mother, Carrie Malecke, from Creighton; $150,000 and an $80,000 car from Oklahoma State; and free housing from Texas."

Arizona isn't brought up again in the ESPN article: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/24944261/brian-bowen-father-says-ex-louisville-assistant-kenny-johnson-gave-1300

Quote from: MDCatsFan on October 09, 2018, 06:47:42 PM
Am I reading this correctly? At the start of Bowen's testimony, he implicated 4 programs:

"At the start of Bowen Sr.'s testimony last week, he implicated four assistant coaches who he said Dawkins told him were offering money or other improper benefits for his son. They ranged from an offer to "help me with housing" from Texas assistant coach Mike Morrell, a $50,000 offer from Arizona assistant coach Joe Pasternack, to an offer of $100,000 and "a lucrative job" from Creighton assistant coach Preston Murphy, and an offer of $150,000 cash from Oklahoma State assistant coach Lamont Evans."

But in Tuesday's testimony, he only acknowledged three of the offers... notice who's missing?

"On Tuesday, Bowen Sr. acknowledged three of those offers: $100,000 and "high-paying" jobs for Bowen Sr. and Bowen's mother, Carrie Malecke, from Creighton; $150,000 and an $80,000 car from Oklahoma State; and free housing from Texas."

Arizona isn't brought up again in the ESPN article: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/24944261/brian-bowen-father-says-ex-louisville-assistant-kenny-johnson-gave-1300

As I said earlier, it was because the only reason Arizona was mentioned is because the name was being used for leverage. The person repping Arizona? Dawkins. And Dawkins then named an Arizona assistant. Never was there an actual Arizona coach in the picture. Dawkins is a shady dude at best already caught in lies and so his testimony is questionable at best. I like that Arizona never came up again.

Aidids agent Gassnola claims to have paid Deandre Ayton. Arizona is a Nike school, so this makes absolutely no sense at all. 

More than likely this would've meant that they were trying to pay Ayton to go to an Adidas school like Kansas. That is if any of this is even true.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1050121277808218113

Josh Jackson played for an Under Armor AAU team run by his mom and got paid by a few shoe companies and ended up at Kansas.
It means nothing that Ayton came to a Nike school. Most will assume that AZ just offered more than KU. That's where the 100k report will be thrown back in by outsiders, even though the dates don't match up.

The problem is AZ fans are acting like we are the only clean program and everyone's out to get us. The reality is we were recruiting most of the guys in the initial report
Quinerly
Little
Lonnie Walker
Bowen
Not to mention 2 players (Rawles and now Ayton) are said to have been paid under oath.
That's waaay too much smoke.

I guess were supposed to believe that Kansas and other big time programs were paying but we were beating them out for recruits just because?

I hope that's the case, but I highly doubt it is.

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on October 10, 2018, 02:01:32 PM
Aidids agent Gassnola claims to have paid Deandre Ayton. Arizona is a Nike school, so this makes absolutely no sense at all. 

More than likely this would've meant that they were trying to pay Ayton to go to an Adidas school like Kansas. That is if any of this is even true.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1050121277808218113

They still have to show actual proof of payment. I bet there's none because You know they would've by now.

Below is the biggest part of the most recent story regarding Ayton allegedly being paid by Adidas.

Gassnola said it was meant to be a secret operation, suggesting that coaches and schools may not have known about it.

Tells me that they're even saying Miller and Zona wasn't involved

Interesting that all BUT Ayton committed to Adidas schools... Doesn't add up. Gassnola was very clearly not paying Ayton to go to a Nike school.

Yep, Adidas paid Ayton to go to a Nike school and then sign with Puma. Right!

UGH!  This is depressing right at the start of the season again.  None of it makes sense.  What happened to the FBI agent that disappeared with the money?

This doesn't have anything to do with Arizona. According to an article from the Washington Post "The payment from Adidas was likely intended to get the star Bahamian big man to play either in Adidas's youth basketball league, commit to an Adidas-sponsored college team, or gain an inside track in signing Ayton to an endorsement deal, and was apparently unsuccessful. Ayton played for a Nike-sponsored youth team, a Nike-sponsored college program and signed an endorsement deal with Puma this summer."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/deandre-ayton-family-was-paid-by-adidas-when-he-was-amateur-witness-testifies-at-trial/2018/10/10/90bac7d4-cccf-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.504fcca78d36

Quote from: eggdog on October 10, 2018, 06:42:53 PM
This doesn't have anything to do with Arizona. According to an article from the Washington Post "The payment from Adidas was likely intended to get the star Bahamian big man to play either in Adidas's youth basketball league, commit to an Adidas-sponsored college team, or gain an inside track in signing Ayton to an endorsement deal, and was apparently unsuccessful. Ayton played for a Nike-sponsored youth team, a Nike-sponsored college program and signed an endorsement deal with Puma this summer."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/deandre-ayton-family-was-paid-by-adidas-when-he-was-amateur-witness-testifies-at-trial/2018/10/10/90bac7d4-cccf-11e8-920f-dd52e1ae4570_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.504fcca78d36

Exactly...although the ESPN article highlights Ayton in the headlines...despite the fact that Arizona's name was never mentioned thus far in the courtroom.

Seems that getting players to the three schools mentioned were the intentions and Arizona was not mentioned there. If Ayton took money outside of the Arizona time that does not indicate Arizona was at fault. If these kids are being paid in league ball before college then there will be a whole lot more kids that fall into that group.

Here is the latest on the FBI trial. Still all just 2 adidas agents talking amongst themselves about Arizona offering 150k for Little. Still no proof. 

http://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1050400228627664897

I think it's interesting that this tweet says they 'believed' Arizona offered. Hmm...

http://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1050400805852012545

Gassnola claims to have paid 15K to family friend of Ayton to establish relationship & felt sorry for the family in 2015.

http://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1050430168316162050

I agree with this tweet

http://twitter.com/TheRealestJMark/status/1050431611483742208

LOL, More on Little's offer. Gotta love how a lot of other media people are picking things apart in our favor.

https://twitter.com/BSnow247/status/1050408896735707136

This is exactly what I expected to come out... fuggin ESPN is such an unprofessional organization it is incredible. Talk about fake news

Exactly why the FBI stated that coaches/schools were being mentioned that were not even involved

Even if he's lying, it's looking better and better for Arizona & much worse for Kansas. 

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1050483142002429953

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on October 11, 2018, 02:27:35 PM
Even if he's lying, it's looking better and better for Arizona & much worse for Kansas. 

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1050483142002429953

Love that

Kansas comes up again in FBI trial early this morning.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1051852533776478209

Vague Text messages between Kansas coach self and mention of him letting Self down on not getting Deandre. It's hilarious how Gassnola says he doesn't remember what was said in a phone conversation with Self. He's full of it.

https://twitter.com/ChrisFickett/status/1051880641690775552

Text show Little's family wouldn't take the money. Hopefully this helps disprove the claims that Arizona was offering him $$.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1051891337409257472

I hate that the ESPN article is written by Mark Schlaback, but at least he wrote an article about another team for once Kansas.

https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/1051932905180712961

Still n li thing hear say of an offer from Arizona by Dawkins of all people who has no credibility what so ever.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1052241129276694528

Check out the texts between Dawkins and Bowen sr.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1052275994063773696
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1052277055797305344
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1052278388994596864
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1052281927141613568

This is HUGE. Dawkins choosing not to testify just shows everyone that the false ESPN report is totally wrong and did not happen.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1052278388994596864

Kansas is looking worse and worse here. LSU is also brought up with pretty big news on their coach talking to agents.

https://twitter.com/ChrisFickett/status/1052327682355138562
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1052333553919434754

Finally a Duke player is named in the FBI trial

https://twitter.com/br_CBB/status/1052336011760599040

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1052345917137977345

There are lots of people saying that Zion's family moved to NC & now live in a huge 800k house. This could get interesting, but probably won't.

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1052442523887706112

Surprised they didn't find a way to throw Miller's photo on the front page for regarding the KU/Zion discussions.

I wonder if ESPN plans to publicly retract their initial story after this portion of the investigation is over.

We all know that there is more to come...but this will likely be the conclusion of the ADIDAS investigation.  Wondering if they threw wiretaps on Nike reps/runners over the past few months/years.

Intrigued to see how the NCAA responds.

So far there has been nothing solid on Arizona other than Book taking money. Only 5k of that was not accounted for. And Book is no longer with Arizona. I think the NCAA has bigger fish to fry right now. I really believe the NCAAs hands may be forced to actually enforce the rules with Kansas and some other schools. Unlike the UNC thing where they buried it.

Some observations...
1) Shoe companies don't act in a void. They don't decide which players are going to go to which schools. They MUST get some direction from the schools about who to pay... I mean recruit. So the argument that coaches didn't know what shoe companies were doing is disingenuous.
2) It would be naive to think this is limited to just Adidas. Zion demanding stuff from Kansas would have to mean Duke/Nike either met or raised the offer.
3) Unless something unforeseen in the Book trial, Arizona should be in a good position to avoid NCAA sanctions. There's just hearsay by a competing shoe company exec... not solid evidence.
4) The NCAA MUST change. The system is clearly broken and encourages cheating.

as the texts showed, the rest of the college landscape is just trying to catch up to duke and kentucky. Who knows how long duke has been moving families into homes they can't afford and giving jobs they are unqualified for.

Using this logic, would that mean AZ offered more to get Ayton away from KU? I mean he was a Kansas lean for quite some time.

I hate Kansas but I also hate when people were jumping to conclusions and making assumptions about AZ/Miller

Quote from: MDCatsFan on October 17, 2018, 07:54:27 AM
2) It would be naive to think this is limited to just Adidas. Zion demanding stuff from Kansas would have to mean Duke/Nike either met or raised the offer.

Instead of just focussing on what may or may not have transpired ( I personally believe Zona is just as dirty as Kansas, UK, Duke, and Kansas but it definitely has NOT been proven), what does everyone think the NCAA SHOULD do? May be a topic for a separate thread but I am curious if anyone has any solid solutions to fix the problem?

I am all for the Olympic model.

Quote from: PBCatfan on October 17, 2018, 10:45:24 AM
Instead of just focussing on what may or may not have transpired ( I personally believe Zona is just as dirty as Kansas, UK, Duke, and Kansas but it definitely has NOT been proven), what does everyone think the NCAA SHOULD do? May be a topic for a separate thread but I am curious if anyone has any solid solutions to fix the problem?

I am all for the Olympic model.

what's the Olympic model? The IOC is the most corrupt entity on the planet.

NCAA might actually have to balance their enforcement of the rules they twist all the time for their chosen schools.NCAA has lost all identity with credability.

Quote from: DefinitelyNotWiid on October 17, 2018, 11:22:06 AM

Quote from: PBCatfan on October 17, 2018, 10:45:24 AM
Instead of just focussing on what may or may not have transpired ( I personally believe Zona is just as dirty as Kansas, UK, Duke, and Kansas but it definitely has NOT been proven), what does everyone think the NCAA SHOULD do? May be a topic for a separate thread but I am curious if anyone has any solid solutions to fix the problem?

I am all for the Olympic model.

what's the Olympic model? The IOC is the most corrupt entity on the planet.

Trudat but the NCAA would still make all the decisions they woukd just adopt the Olympic model/definition of amateurism. Here is a quick explanation from an article and for what it's worth NCAA President Emmeert said he would be open to the idea:

"One proposed fix has been to emulate the Olympics, which allows players to sell their name, image, or likeness for profit while remaining eligible to compete.

U.S. swimming champion Michael Phelps, for instance, signed a deal with Under Armour, while gold medal gymnast Gabby Douglas became a brand ambassador for Gillette's Venus razors ahead of the 2016 Summer Games.

A proposed solution to the NCAA's current model would allow college players to profit in the same manner as their Olympic counterparts."

Quote
Trudat but the NCAA would still make all the decisions they woukd just adopt the Olympic model/definition of amateurism. Here is a quick explanation from an article and for what it's worth NCAA President Emmeert said he would be open to the idea:

"One proposed fix has been to emulate the Olympics, which allows players to sell their name, image, or likeness for profit while remaining eligible to compete.

U.S. swimming champion Michael Phelps, for instance, signed a deal with Under Armour, while gold medal gymnast Gabby Douglas became a brand ambassador for Gillette's Venus razors ahead of the 2016 Summer Games.

A proposed solution to the NCAA's current model would allow college players to profit in the same manner as their Olympic counterparts."

ah i see now. Yeah, would be nice.

Quote from: DefinitelyNotWiid on October 17, 2018, 11:51:04 AM

Quote
Trudat but the NCAA would still make all the decisions they woukd just adopt the Olympic model/definition of amateurism. Here is a quick explanation from an article and for what it's worth NCAA President Emmeert said he would be open to the idea:

"One proposed fix has been to emulate the Olympics, which allows players to sell their name, image, or likeness for profit while remaining eligible to compete.

U.S. swimming champion Michael Phelps, for instance, signed a deal with Under Armour, while gold medal gymnast Gabby Douglas became a brand ambassador for Gillette's Venus razors ahead of the 2016 Summer Games.

A proposed solution to the NCAA's current model would allow college players to profit in the same manner as their Olympic counterparts."

ah i see now. Yeah, would be nice.

The problem with the Olympic model is that it doesn't actually discourage schools from cheating. I don't think that recruits are the reason for schools trying to outbid each other. The competition to get the top recruits is so intense that schools are willing to cheat. That competition will still be there even if recruits can monetize their name and image. The only difference will be that agents will openly be directing recruits to the school whose shoe company offers the biggest contract.... Duke and Kansas will perpetually have the top recruits.

With the Olympic model, Nike and Adidas will tell the recruits where to go. There won't be recruiting or real competition on the court... Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, and UNC will be the only ones in the F4 every year. It'll be the Nike Conference vs. the Adidas Conference.

What about Big Baller Brand?

One simple fix for that is to remove the ability of Nike and Adidas to sponsor or partner with the Universities. Kids would be able to wear their Nikes or Adidas at any school. Boom problem solved.

Except Adidas and Nike don't really care what school these kids go to, they only care about creating a relationship with the kid that will result in them choosing Nike/Adidas once they turn pro.

Quote from: PBCatfan on October 17, 2018, 01:10:51 PM
One simple fix for that is to remove the ability of Nike and Adidas to sponsor or partner with the Universities. Kids would be able to wear their Nikes or Adidas at any school. Boom problem solved.

Interesting article about Little. Talks a bit about Arizona and I like the quote below.

"We told everyone at the start of Nassir's recruitment that if you're offering money or any kind of impermissible benefit then you're automatically cut, no questions asked.

https://twitter.com/InsideCarolina/status/1052375903752388609

Wow, Kansas is officially the New face of the FBI trial.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1052964482232844288

Nice to see the word is getting out. Can you make sure that Dickio V sees this please?

Wow. The Cam Newton rule may cause Duke's Zion Williamson to be suspended

https://twitter.com/BasicAthletics/status/1053370143131103232

You have to worry about this stuff whenever a parent is overseeing the recruiting or the parent is deciding what school a player attends. Except for UNC they just play ball. No class time necessary.

Wow, thank god Kansas is the new face of the FBI scandal. It would be soooo hilarious if they declared De Souza ineligible after he played for them all last year. ALL EYES ON THE JAYHAWKS!

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1055105179056513025

Quote from: GoCatZ on October 24, 2018, 09:45:19 AM
Wow, thank god Kansas is the new face of the FBI scandal. It would be soooo hilarious if they declared De Souza ineligible after he played for them all last year. ALL EYES ON THE JAYHAWKS!

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1055105179056513025

Some more:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/kansas-to-hold-de-sousa-out-pending-investigation/ar-BBOPSPq?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Wow, Guilty on all counts. Sounds like it's good for UofA and all other schools involved, but may be bad news for Book in his future trial.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1055172109343883264

We'll find out more pertaining to Arizona specifically in Book's case, but I just hope it was nothing that was actually within our program and was simply money changing hands to influence who these kids were going to do business with after they left college.

Is Quinerly"s eligibility in question? If he is ineligible because of payment from book then it will be hard on Book. If he is cleared to play then there is no proof that Book paid him. Because if he were paid he would have had to have paid it back like the Duke player, or he would be out as a college athlete. Cannot have it both ways. Did Book pay Quinerly the 5K? If not then he took money from an agent. He then is not proven to have paid any player. No payment to a player, no fraud!

Correct me if I am off on this.

By SB Nation
7 Losers and 5 Winners

Oregon, Miller and Nike: Winners

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2018/10/24/18009130/college-basketball-trial-winners-and-losers-arizona-louisville-duke-lsu

Quote from: V-Max on October 24, 2018, 02:42:55 PM
By SB Nation
7 Losers and 5 Winners

Oregon, Miller and Nike: Winners

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2018/10/24/18009130/college-basketball-trial-winners-and-losers-arizona-louisville-duke-lsu

Yep
Like I said, a Book plea deal may do him more damage.

Depens what Book pleads to... If he just gets something for taking the money that is one thing, if he is found to have defrauded UofA then it could create a bigger issue.

The only way he defrauds Arizona is if paid an Arizona player. He took money yes, but what did he do with it?

So Book took the money, what did he do with it? Does it matter, serious question? He took the money for the sole purpose of paying a player, so theres the conspiring charge, and defrauding the university. Does it matter if he paid the player or not? DO they even care about that, or are they trying to prove he defrauded UofA?

Quote from: OGWildcatMike on October 24, 2018, 05:43:12 PM
So Book took the money, what did he do with it? Does it matter, serious question? He took the money for the sole purpose of paying a player, so theres the conspiring charge, and defrauding the university. Does it matter if he paid the player or not? DO they even care about that, or are they trying to prove he defrauded UofA?

I don't know myself, but consider this snippet from the FBI winners and losers article linked in this thread earlier:

Referred to as "Player-12" in the FBI's original indictment, Little was at the center of the issues surrounding "University-7," which was Miami. The indictment alleged that Gatto, Code, Dawkins and Brad Augustine (Little's former AAU coach) conspired to funnel $150,000 to Little's family to get him to sign with Miami and then, ultimately, with Adidas after leaving college.

Text messages between Augustine and Dawkins, however, reveal that the Little family wasn't interested in receiving any money, and that the pair were actually worried about the family discovering that there was any discussion of payments at all. Charges against Augustine were dropped in February after it was revealed that instead of funneling money to the families of players, he had kept the money given to him by the Adidas employees for himself.

FBI wiretap audio is released. Absolutely nothing new and most importantly No wiretap of Sean Miller.

https://twitter.com/SchreiberEvan/status/1055674814138994688

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on October 25, 2018, 09:57:27 PM
FBI wiretap audio is released. Absolutely nothing new and most importantly No wiretap of Sean Miller.

https://twitter.com/SchreiberEvan/status/1055674814138994688

Evan Schreiber should not be allowed anywhere near a keyboard. His tweet using the @aplayersprogram tag draws the conclusion that the  Arizona basketball program itself made the offer, which is not supported by the transcript at all. Implying actions by a party that isn't supported by any evidence used to be a quick way to a lawsuit/pink slip... so much for editorial oversight.

Ayton should sue espn for dragging his name through the mud

If SM is clean he should also sue as well as the University.

Since ESPN hired that guy, paid him to write/report for him, they are responsible for what he said/did.  In addition to the aforementioned, they are also responsible for making sure any story they run is a valid, fact based story.  Since they didn't, and since they still have yet to apologize...they should be sued by EVERYONE named in their stories that turned out to be completely innocent of their false claims.  Since they don't have enough class to admit their horrific mistakes from start to finish with this whole mess, they should be sued until they are out of business.  Any company that could abide what their employee did, without verifying anything he said, refused to apologize, and refused to fire this person...they SHOULDN'T BE IN A BUSINESS THAT CAN PRINT A STORY AND RUIN A PERSON'S CAREER, NAME, REPUTATION, AND LIFE.

AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!
Bear Down Coach Miller!

Oh Geez, the only reason Dukie V is so excited about this is because it's about Arizona.

https://twitter.com/DickieV/status/1056700412806549506

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1056718857883258880

Here's someone with a more open minded perspective.

https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/1056728617382744065

And now there's a new report on emails between agents talking about paying Alkins and 50k.

https://twitter.com/TheWildcaster/status/1056719784300040192

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on October 28, 2018, 07:53:35 PM
And now there's a new report on emails between agents talking about paying Alkins and 50k.

https://twitter.com/TheWildcaster/status/1056719784300040192

This is the kinda stuff I'd assume will come out with Book's trial next year. After the arrests went down and the reports came out, everyone knew (or speculated) that the player-6 was Rawle. But also Arizona did extensive investigations after that report came out and allowed Rawle to play out the season without issue....

So either it was Book making empty promises that he never actually discussed with Rawle and thus he was the only one in the program with knowledge of it, and thus was immediately fired when it became known, OR Arizona knew about it and let Rawle play, which means sanctions are def coming.

Or the agents who are proven liars where sending emails with false info.

There is nothing new in the most recent articles from ESPN Arizona besides the call times from a phone allegedly associated with coach Miller. We all heard about the Alkins rumors as far as him being the player who allegedly received money from an agent. It's not like this hasn't happened before under Lute. Jason Terry was paid 45k by an agent and had to pay that money back. The result was Arizona had to vacant wins. Either way. There is still no proof of anything at all.

They even say, "The thousands of calls shed light not only on coaches at multiple schools vying for Bowen II, including Creighton, Arizona, Louisville, Oregon and DePaul" ... but no mention of how many calls between these schools and Dawkins besides Arizona and Creighton. Bet any amount Oregon called as much or more than AZ. Thousands of calls and eBSpn only highy13... yeaaaaah. That's unbiased reporting for you.

Quote from: MDCatsFan on October 29, 2018, 01:33:05 AM
They even say, "The thousands of calls shed light not only on coaches at multiple schools vying for Bowen II, including Creighton, Arizona, Louisville, Oregon and DePaul" ... but no mention of how many calls between these schools and Dawkins besides Arizona and Creighton. Bet any amount Oregon called as much or more than AZ. Thousands of calls and eBSpn only highy13... yeaaaaah. That's unbiased reporting for you.

There is no honest reporting anymore. The truth means nothing in government, the press, or anything else including the court room. The supreme court nomination was a circus of idiots making up lie after lie to get their own way. It is all about money greed and power. Simply twist the story to fit your narritave no matter anything about facts.

ESPN is the scum of the sporting world.

The reporting of Ayton being offered to come to Arizona was actually well after his commitment to Arizona. In fact Ayton was already on campus when some of this stuff supposedly happened. The offer from Dawkins was never to get Ayton to campus at Arizona. The first try was to influence Ayton to choose Kansas. That was through money to a family friend. When they could not get him to Kansas then they were wanting to ensure he would sign with them being his agent. He was already at Arizona! So any conversation was headed by SM and never an offer from Arizona, but a walk away by SM. That story is a bust for them backed by the dates all the way.
Now they are turning it to Rawle Alkins and saying he took money? The university already did an internal investigation on him and he was cleared. Not sure why Arizona is the main target of the media, ESPN, but it becomes an easy target because the PAC is not tied to ESPN like the other big 5 conferences and the PAC does not really rep Arizona very well at all. Larry has never liked Arizona and SM so the conference does not step up to defend Arizona either. The political side of this is the in state politics of favoritism to ASU due to ASU being in Tempe and not Tucson. Arizona seems to be Arizona's second tier school when it comes in comparison to ASU.

I would never say that Arizona is without fault but until Greg took over as AD, the Athletic Department did it's best to pay it's own way. The facilities were not and still are not on par with other PAC schools which hurt us in recruiting as well. Greg tried getting us to a competitive point but also took our Athletic Department from black to red. Do we have targets on us right now? I believe we are the PAC's sacrificial lamb as they never wanted us anyway and we only were invited to the conference because the PAC wanted ASU. Larry Scott seems to have little or no love for Arizona. ESPN seems to be trying it's best to protect it's own interests by deflecting attention to Arizona and Oregon when some of their prime time schools break the rules. Like Kansas in this case and even NC state. Also the N Carolina academic scandal that was swept under the rug. The Auburn/Newton issue that was given a pass. The ESPN/NCAA love affair is evident to anyone who has eyes. The NCAA/Big 5 minus PAC love affair is also evident in the same manner. Yes, I am saying certain conferences and certain schools are protected by the NCAA! Those institutions receive special treatment and considerations.

If Arizona wants to change it's real value in the PAC it only needs to apply to another big 5 conference when expansion talks start up again. Not saying we should ever go, but in reality things will never get better until Arizona makes a stand. I do not like that conference at all but something has to change.

I read about ten lines of that new ESPN article and started laughing. They have turned this into a dead horse. They've written so many articles that no one actually gives a damn  about any of this anymore. People have already seen Sean Miller is getting any recruit he wants still so no one cares if you wanna say he got phone calls two years ago. I honestly think this scandal is pretty much over thanks to ESPNs hilariously atrocious reporting.

Just a little more.

The offer supposedly from Arizona to Bowen was Only from Dawkins to Bowen and there is no other verification otherwise. Why? because the agent was only using that offer as a bargaining chip to get more money from Adidas. It was never really on the table. Thus it is only hear say and unverified.
The offer to Ayton was the opposite of what the press stated. Ayton was already committed and on campus at Arizona. Dawkins was offering through SM, the money to sign with him as an agent. Not to come to Arizona. Thus YES, a discussion happened about paying Ayton. SM said no, and that any further contact would have to be through him not his assistants. No violation!
Little's family already testified that NO money was ever in play.
Book was dealing with Quinerly and was contacted several times before he was lured into the situation. The question comes up with when he was lured in it was almost a last minute entrapment for someone who was on the outside until just before everything broke. We know he kept most of the 20K but did Quinerly actually receive the 5K he is said to have received? That would make him ineligable anywhere he goes. If that is in any degree true, then his current school cannot play him. I have not heard anything about him being held out for any reason. Either way, proof does not seem to be on the table yet. Waiting for the Book trial.

Alkins? It was denied that any player on the team was paid and why every player that played last year did in fact play. If he was paid by the agent without knowledge by SM then where does that fall? However, there is no paper trail at this point and it is basically someone claiming something unsubstantiated.


If we look at it as Dawkins throwing Arizona and now Oregon's names out there just to raise the anti, then what does anyone have on Zona? Little family denied it. Ayton family denied it. Quinerly went to another school and is still eligible? Alkins played last year and must have denied it because he was allowed to play.

If Pasternack was really involved it was way before that because he was hired away in March of 2017. That does not really fit the timeline very well unless he was previously involved and then got Book involved, but that would not make sense either as he was only mentioned in the investigation once and that was for Bowen.

And still much of the press is about who? Arizona gets more press than Louisville. Kansas is already tagged and very little. Something smells very bad about this whole thing. Damn Book for getting us involved.


And yes ESPN has discredited themselves so much lately that they have lost all credibility. Thanks g_owls$

Hello all. Long time lurker of all Cats sites and twitter feeds. Have followed all this ESPN stuff from the beginning. I think the focus, with how obvious the smear attempts have become, should be directed as to the reasons for the hatred towards Sean Miller by ESPN?

Clearly they are attempting to sully Miller's, and the program's, name and reputation. They want Miller's blood. They wish to have him damaged, gone, thrown out of NCAA basketball. The reports, with Schlabach leading the charge, have been discredited and now, rehashed and rebranded to once more inflict damage.

To me, Schlabach is but the attack dog, followed by Vitale and to a lesser extend, Bilas. Others on the network like Rece Davis did their damage early on, but the main players keep warming up the coals. The bigger question should be, who are the bigger players that are pulling the strings? I know enough about ESPN to believe that this is much more than a few puppet talking heads....this is deeper, as in high level executive or head coach [think Pitino] level.

The puppets are simply puppets. Who is their master? What did Miller do to deserve the wrath of the network, in spite of other news outlets tearing the ESPN reporting and writing to shreds. Hell, even our own twitter brigade has torn these puppets to shreds. However, we need to look at the reporting as not something factually true, but meant to destroy, damage and have Miller fired through incessant bad publicity and pressure.

In any real journalistic network, where accountability matters, Schlabach would have been fired months ago when his initial Ayton report was torn to shreds by the entire college basketball journalism world. The real question, though, is why was he not fired? Instead, he was allowed to linger around, after being disappeared for a bit, to the point where he was assigned to cover the recent trial. In the real world, his horrid reporting would have landed him working for the local paper of his favorite Georgia town.

The latest article by Schlabach is, as already mentioned by many, a simple rehashing of old news with little probative value. Its true purpose, however, is meant to keep the pressure mounting on Miller.  The attempt is being made to destroy the man, his program, his success, his recruiting prowess. In short, someone at ESPN or elsewhere wants him gone.

My theory is that Miller and Pitino had a nasty rivalry that intensified first when Pitino was landing Miller's recruits [through clear cheating as we all know...prostitutes, money, housing, jobs, etc...] The rivalry had only intensified with Pitino's success in landing Bowen [we know how he got the kid]. At this point, I think Miller narked on Pitino, starting a snowball effect that destroyed Pitino as we all know.

If you look at it, Pitino was a long-time favorite with the ESPN crew, especially with Vitale. If you look at Vitale, he consistently compares Pitino and Miller, defending the former and vilifying the latter. Vitale and Pitino are extremely close. Others at ESPN may be as well, leading to the hatred of Miller, if indeed he led a behind the scenes campaign to nark and damage Pitino.

Schlabach's background should be investigated further, but I believe he was tasked with destroying Miller. Someone falsely told him about Ayton and Miller [perhaps Vitale or Pitino?]. We do know, from Schlabach himself, that someone close to the investigation told him about the wiretap regarding Ayton.

Yes, Arizona means nothing to ESPN as they do not have rights like they do with the ACC, Big 12 or SEC. They can go after Arizona much more readily than Duke, UNC, Kentucky or Kansas all of which, by the way, seem much more guilty in various ways than Arizona. Could a heated rivalry between power teams over top recruits have led to this? I believe so, with Pitino and Miller battling over prized players, and Miller knowing the unethical shenanigans going on by Pitino and getting Pitino fired.

This would explain Vitale and his crazed hatred of Miller, and why ESPN does nothing to shut him up. Think about it: Vitale is left off-leash and completely irrational, to the point of senility. Schlabach is allowed to continue spewing bull manure, Bilas can chime in, and so on....the day the Ayton report came out, Rece, Bilas and others just went after Miller in a way that I had never seen on television. Yet Self is implicated much more severely, and Zion raises many issues with Duke, and crickets? Doesn't add up.

Something fishy is going on, this is clear, and it has everything to do with a very unhealthy hatred of Miller. Now, is Miller innocent? We are all smart enough to know that he isn't. No one at the top is....if you want to stay in the game you need to play by its rules, and those rules are based on greed and money. It's that simple. Having said that, there are different levels of unethical and unscrupulous. I believe Pitino was at one end, with Miller at another.

From what we know of Miller, he is a competitor and if he feels slighted, cheated on, or that the field is not fair, is he capable of destroying Pitino? I think so, especially in this highly competitive world of recruiting.

The rabbit hole goes deep with this case...question is, how deep do we dare go?

Welcome JustCrazyCat, interesting first post.

Talk about Not so late breaking news. SMH

https://twitter.com/AriA1exander/status/1057106121482297345

Like I posted in another thread there is something not right with this story because half the dates did not fit period and the players and families have denied all of it. The only person throwing Arizona's name around seemed to be Dawkins and his partner. It is clear that Book was working for the agent and not the agent working to get the player to Arizona. Ayton was already on campus in July. Adidas does not push players to Nike schools.

Ah Come on! There are no new allegations. Can't we just enjoy today's game without anymore news like this? This is BS!!

https://twitter.com/anneryman/status/1057392926219587584

BS

On second thought there is a chance the board is going to go to bat for Miller. They did say the ESPN report by Schlaback was less than solid journalism & unacceptable so...

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on October 30, 2018, 04:04:44 PM
On second thought there is a chance the board is going to go to bat for Miller. They did say the ESPN report by Schlaback was less than solid journalism & unacceptable so...

They might be tired of the BS and look for some legal injunction to stop it. Something needs to be done.

It says it's for legal advice.

(https://image.ibb.co/ek0gYL/IMG-20181030-162604.jpg)

This is good news.

https://twitter.com/anneryman/status/1057750316282609664

Oregon in the news now being linked to Dawkins. I bet ESPN doesn't even mention this.

https://twitter.com/johncanzanobft/status/1057660389314322432

I'm ready for someone to punch back. If we are clean (except for the Book stuff) then we would get a lot of publicity for fighting ala UNLV...they won, but not until it got to the Supreme Court.

If Miller talked to this guy for a billion hours but did nothing wrong, then we need to punch back, IMO.

Story on Kansas posted by Dickie V. Notice how nice and soft his tweet is compared to his tweets on Arizona.

https://twitter.com/DickieV/status/1058200021907202048

I'll believe it when I see it!

https://twitter.com/DickieV/status/1059449340241031169

 Let's get a petition going to have Dick Vitale fired.

Something "new" breaks with Schlabach every day.  "Update: Arizona still hasn't fired Miller".

I cant stand Dick, and never have, but I dont think he is worth our time.  He is a troll and feeds of the constant attention he gets AZ fans.

I always used to turn the sound off whenever he was broadcasting a game.  I never listened to him and now I never read what he says either.  He doesn't effect my life in the least.  I suggest everyone just ignore him.  It's so much easier than letting him get you upset.

Personally,I was considering taking the "low road" and making some signs for him in Maui.

Yahoo posted an FBI news story that said Trier was involved in FBI scandal along with Ayton and Rawle. Wildcat fans quickly pointed out the error and Yahoo has taken Trier's name out of the story. Check out the tweet and comments below.

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/1059565863437848576

I saw that WILD. Here's the non edited and edited version. The one on the right has ZO's name removed.

https://twitter.com/TheRealestJMark/status/1059903614339080192

UCLA gets thrown into the FBI mix

https://twitter.com/nathanfenno/status/1059971848308314112

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1060006429510250499

Why the hell wouldn't they wait until all D-1 programs have been investigated by the FBI?  Seems stupid that they would just "pick and choose".

Also seems ridiculous that they have NEVER mentioned a word about investigating other collegiate sports, specifically football.

With 100+ kids on each roster, I KNOW for a fact that they are receiving benefits.  Hopefully, the NCAA doesn't screw this up and penalize a couple schools because they're too lazy to look into every D-1 program.

This investigation should take a very long time.  This clearly involves all of college basketball, not just a handful of schools.

Mark Schabach will never stop posting about this until it's all over. It's getting old.

https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/1060360310387863554

Finally an article on the FBI scandal that calls it like it is. With No proof of payments to players you have nothing. (Dawkins) said he planned (to pay players). 'Planned' means that's what he wanted to do...

https://twitter.com/TimSullivan714/status/1060665403154808832

Unless it is Arizona? Lol

https://twitter.com/MedcalfByESPN/status/1061105451578863616

No likes, No response. Self inflicted damage.  :o

Usc back in the FBI news

https://twitter.com/nathanfenno/status/1062043496448577537

Latest FBI news says agent kept the money and mentions ASU's Cherry.

https://twitter.com/nathanfenno/status/1063578307608817665

Talk about a slow news day. The Phoenix news paper just put out a click bait article on old Arizona FBI news which pretty much rehashes everything that is already know. There is absolutely NO new info in this article & it's just like all the other articles that keep repeating the same thing over and over on Arizona. 

https://twitter.com/anneryman/status/1064537359000039436

I love shredding bad journalism. Pretty clear she hasn't met her click quota so she slaps something together something that doesn't even meet high school newspaper standards.

Quote from: WildcatInUK on November 19, 2018, 01:23:31 PM
I love shredding bad journalism. Pretty clear she hasn't met her click quota so she slaps something together something that doesn't even meet high school newspaper standards.

she still wins. she achieved what she set out to do.

Quote from: DefinitelyNotWiid on November 19, 2018, 01:49:52 PM

Quote from: WildcatInUK on November 19, 2018, 01:23:31 PM
I love shredding bad journalism. Pretty clear she hasn't met her click quota so she slaps something together something that doesn't even meet high school newspaper standards.

she still wins. she achieved what she set out to do.

She wins because Miller and Robbins and Heeke and the regents and the legislature and who ever need to sign on to some sort of class action libel suit are all sitting on their hands with duct tape over their mouths.

Either admit guilt or punch back. Enough is enough.

This is now the age of no evidence needed...just repeat the lies over and over and it becomes the truth. 

The daily star can't wait to print any tiny bit of info they can get there hands on. No surprise UofA had to spend money on lawyers.

https://twitter.com/TheWildcaster/status/1068207984453382144

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25452028/attorneys-want-federal-charges-ncaa-hoops-scandal-dropped

Mark "never met a source I didn't trust" Scumbach article, copy-posted here so ESPN doesn't get another click

Attorneys representing the five men accused of bribery, fraud and conspiracy charges in a federal criminal trial involving alleged college basketball corruption have asked a U.S. District Court judge in New York to dismiss the charges.

The five men, including three former assistant coaches, are scheduled for trial on April 22.

In a motion filed Monday night, the attorneys argued that while their clients might have violated NCAA rules by accepting money from a former runner, they didn't commit federal crimes.

"In this case, the Government has singled out certain alleged NCAA rules violations as 'corrupt' and decided to prosecute them as federal crimes," the attorneys wrote. "[The] Indictment should be dismissed because the allegations fail to support a conviction under any viable theory of criminal liability.

"To the contrary, each of the Government's charges is predicated on a novel theory that is inconsistent with the relevant statutory language and would impermissibly extend the boundaries of federal criminal law well beyond constitutional limits."

Sources told ESPN that federal prosecutors have had preliminary discussions with defense attorneys about reaching plea agreements to avoid another lengthy trial.

"Since last year, we have been scratching our heads as to what the interest of the federal government is in selectively enforcing NCAA rules," said Craig Mordock, an attorney for former Arizona assistant Emanuel "Book" Richardson. "Legally, there is very little difference than if the government tried to attach criminal consequences to the rules of a 12-and-under soccer league."

The former coaches -- Richardson, Oklahoma State's Lamont Evans and USC's Tony Bland -- are accused of accepting bribes to steer players at their respective schools to sign with certain financial managers and agents once they turned pro. Richardson is accused of accepting $20,000 in bribes; Evans $22,000 while at South Carolina and Oklahoma State; and Bland about $13,000.

The other two men charged in the case, former Adidas consultant Merl Code and Christian Dawkins, a former runner for NBA agent Andy Miller, were convicted in late October in a separate federal criminal case involving pay-for-play schemes to influence high-profile recruits to attend Adidas-sponsored schools, including Kansas, Louisville and NC State.

Code, Dawkins and Adidas executive James Gatto were found guilty on Oct. 25 of felony charges of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud after a three-week criminal trial in federal court in New York. They are scheduled for sentencing on March 5.

Their sentences will be determined by federal sentencing guidelines; attorneys in the case indicated the defendants might face two to four years in federal prison.

The third case, involving former Auburn assistant Chuck Person and former NBA referee Rashan Michel, is scheduled for trial in New York in February.

Great argument from Book's attorney.  I hope that holds up in court so he can move on with his life.

Bear Down, Book!

More stufff from ncaa showing "face"
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/12/05/mark-emmert-no-sanctions-for-corrupt-programs-until-after-ncaa-tournament/

Gonzaga coach Few calling for the NCAA to deal with scandal now & not wait.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/gonzaga-coach-mark-wants-ncaa-make-decisions-corruption-investigation-011257540.html

Lol such dumb comments by Few... decide what fast? He seems to assume everyone is guilty. Total ignorance from a guy who seems to be pretty smart. I was laughing at the shot he took at UNC

Quote from: PBCatfan on December 10, 2018, 03:28:26 PM
Lol such dumb comments by Few... decide what fast? He seems to assume everyone is guilty. Total ignorance from a guy who seems to be pretty smart. I was laughing at the shot he took at UNC

Maybe, but Few has a very good team and clearing out some of those teams would help him get a NC this year maybe?

Coach Fee comes off as a pompous prick. I suppose he has complete control over every booster, coach and employee associated with the University of Gonzaga. I'm sure Book Richards regrets the decision that were made, but people make mistakes. Some of these Coaches need to tread lightly and wait for the investigation to be completed. Especially the PAC-12 coaches-considering it's quickly becoming the biggest joke of the power conference. (Coach Boyle)

Whoa, this could be big news in regards to what Book can and will do regarding the FBI trial.

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1075833190269550593

Update
Usc assistant coach has reached a plea deal
https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1075835323505090562

Depends, does he support Trump?

Sorry, I hope he comes away with minimal anything as he was least involved of anyone included.

Quote from: Little George on December 20, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
Depends, does he support Trump?

No kidding

Sorry, I hope he comes away with minimal anything as he was least involved of anyone included.

Me too

Not sure who this is referring to, but it'll be interesting to see if Book is next.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PeteBrush/status/1080485886142414853

It was former usc assistant Tony Bland.

https://twitter.com/nathanfenno/status/1080534955623698433

Lamont Evans is the latest coach to plead guilty in FBI scandal.

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1090659874281799680

Now Yahoo is speculating Miller will be subpoenaed to appear for the Dawkins trial, potentially within the next month. Always hate to see everything rehashed. Nothing really new here though.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1092570344731394051

Finally some FBI NCAA investigation news on a school boy named Arizona. It's your turn Kansas.

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1095806957632581633

Dick Vitale better tweet something on this because he is so quick on the Arizona stuff.

Another FBI news story. This time his rehashes Kansas coach Bill Self texts to agents. Always good when the other teams caught up in this mesas get talked about.

https://twitter.com/YahooSports/status/1096533456564219904

Yet another FBI article from Yahoo

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/1097854327018921984

Funny that we repeat the same stuff over and over twisting one or two thing to fit a narrative and keep the story alive. Selling stories is the game, fact or fiction.

Any time there is a single thing that is new they rehash the whole story as if it is breaking news.

Another. Yahoo FBI NCAA investigation story

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/1100542889984176128

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on February 26, 2019, 05:32:52 PM
Another. Yahoo FBI NCAA investigation story

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/1100542889984176128

I honestly think this will be a complete waste of time, first of all, the NCAA cannot establish "standing" in the case without admitting that they receive tremendous benefit from college athletes (who do not get paid) THAT move ALONE would open them up to levels of class action lawsuits that would dismantle their empire in a matter of court months...

Second without establishing "standing as a victim" here, there is absolutely no way a Federal prosecutor is going to hand over FBI evidence because:
1. Protocol
2. Exposure of investigation techniques/methods/witnesses would damage the FBI
3 It weakens the case especially in terms of the defendants claiming jury bias/misconduct/mistrial

Ain't gonna happen.

The NCAA is a private corporation with plenty of its own resources no judge is going to hand over this evidence.

Pat Forde is clutching at straws here and my best guess is he baited the question TO the NCAA just so he could writa nother article.

Screw him.

Wow Kansas and Louisville are playing the victim card against adidas agents.

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1100894515626459141
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1100894942484926470

Quote from: Lutesguitar on February 26, 2019, 06:24:25 PM

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on February 26, 2019, 05:32:52 PM
Another. Yahoo FBI NCAA investigation story

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/1100542889984176128

I honestly think this will be a complete waste of time, first of all, the NCAA cannot establish "standing" in the case without admitting that they receive tremendous benefit from college athletes (who do not get paid) THAT move ALONE would open them up to levels of class action lawsuits that would dismantle their empire in a matter of court months...

Second without establishing "standing as a victim" here, there is absolutely no way a Federal prosecutor is going to hand over FBI evidence because:
1. Protocol
2. Exposure of investigation techniques/methods/witnesses would damage the FBI
3 It weakens the case especially in terms of the defendants claiming jury bias/misconduct/mistrial

Ain't gonna happen.

The NCAA is a private corporation with plenty of its own resources no judge is going to hand over this evidence.

Pat Forde is clutching at straws here and my best guess is he baited the question TO the NCAA just so he could writa nother article.

Screw him.

I am puzzled by this too...for different reasons. Both parties (FBI/Justice Department & NCAA) should recognize that cooperation with each other will likely yield far more evidence and convictions and because the NCAA is a voluntary association, they do have power that the FBI does not. For example we voluntarily turned over the evidence of Phelps guilt to the NCAA and self reported the Academic Fraud. The FBI would have had to go through subpoena process and face potential legal challenges to get the same information. Likewise the FBI can track down banking records, for example, that the NCAA would never get their hands on if the school did not want to turn them over.

I just can't believe that both parties would not recognize the value in co-operation.

I do not think anything the NCAA does would open them up to any lawsuits...it is voluntary and non profit organization and they do not benefit any more or less when any one team is on double secret probation. People forget that all of this money we are allegedly taking from our basketball and football players actually pays for all sorts of other sports and scholarships to help other students. No one is getting rich or 'exploiting' college athletes and that is easy for the NCAA to show.

NCAA, when it comes down to it, has all sorts of 'special exemptions' like Baseball.

Quote from: Liquidated on February 28, 2019, 12:18:04 PM

Quote from: Lutesguitar on February 26, 2019, 06:24:25 PM

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on February 26, 2019, 05:32:52 PM
Another. Yahoo FBI NCAA investigation story

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/1100542889984176128

I honestly think this will be a complete waste of time, first of all, the NCAA cannot establish "standing" in the case without admitting that they receive tremendous benefit from college athletes (who do not get paid) THAT move ALONE would open them up to levels of class action lawsuits that would dismantle their empire in a matter of court months...

Second without establishing "standing as a victim" here, there is absolutely no way a Federal prosecutor is going to hand over FBI evidence because:
1. Protocol
2. Exposure of investigation techniques/methods/witnesses would damage the FBI
3 It weakens the case especially in terms of the defendants claiming jury bias/misconduct/mistrial

Ain't gonna happen.

The NCAA is a private corporation with plenty of its own resources no judge is going to hand over this evidence.

Pat Forde is clutching at straws here and my best guess is he baited the question TO the NCAA just so he could writa nother article.

Screw him.

I am puzzled by this too...for different reasons. Both parties (FBI/Justice Department & NCAA) should recognize that cooperation with each other will likely yield far more evidence and convictions and because the NCAA is a voluntary association, they do have power that the FBI does not. For example we voluntarily turned over the evidence of Phelps guilt to the NCAA and self reported the Academic Fraud. The FBI would have had to go through subpoena process and face potential legal challenges to get the same information. Likewise the FBI can track down banking records, for example, that the NCAA would never get their hands on if the school did not want to turn them over.

I just can't believe that both parties would not recognize the value in co-operation.

I do not think anything the NCAA does would open them up to any lawsuits...it is voluntary and non profit organization and they do not benefit any more or less when any one team is on double secret probation. People forget that all of this money we are allegedly taking from our basketball and football players actually pays for all sorts of other sports and scholarships to help other students. No one is getting rich or 'exploiting' college athletes and that is easy for the NCAA to show.

NCAA, when it comes down to it, has all sorts of 'special exemptions' like Baseball.

Do you even try to substantiate any of your claims...ever? 10 seconds of google searching comes up with this:

The $1.06 billion in revenue from September 2016 through August 2017 is reported in audited financials the organization released on Wednesday.

The majority of the revenue came from its usual source -- the NCAA men's basketball tournament. The NCAA pulled in $761 million from the 2017 NCAA tournament. That number is set to rise to $869 million this year.

The NCAA also generated $129.4 million in ticket revenue and $60 million in marketing rights for the 2017 fiscal year.

The NCAA's expenses were $956 million. The largest chunk of that spending went to dispersing $560.3 million back to its roughly 1,100 member institutions in 24 sports in all three divisions, as well as $200 million for a one-time payment the NCAA made to schools to fund additional programs.

Another $160.5 million went to the Division I performance fund, which awards conferences based on how many teams play in the NCAA tournament and how far they advance. Units are paid out over six years.

The NCAA makes money off the viewing rights, the tickets, the merchandise, you name it, they make money off of it. The above data is 2 years old and they were projected to eclipse the 2016 mark in 2017 and 18 and so on.

lol voluntary organization.

Apparently the NCAA makes it difficult to hunt down their executive teams salaries.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2018/06/21/ncaa-mark-emmert-got-nearly-500-000-raise-2-4-million/722482002/

in 2010 data showed that 14 top executives for the NCAA topped $6.5 million. Let's just say it's safe to say its at least double that now. Where can I volunteer?

Damn.  I know a few NAIA employees here in KC.  They work 10x harder and I can confirm that they do NOT make 7-figures.

Judge denies NCAA request

https://twitter.com/danielle_lerner/status/1101196019033874434

Quote from: Liquidated on February 28, 2019, 12:18:04 PM

I am puzzled by this too...for different reasons. Both parties (FBI/Justice Department & NCAA) should recognize that cooperation with each other will likely yield far more evidence and convictions and because the NCAA is a voluntary association, they do have power that the FBI does not. For example we voluntarily turned over the evidence of Phelps guilt to the NCAA and self reported the Academic Fraud. The FBI would have had to go through subpoena process and face potential legal challenges to get the same information. Likewise the FBI can track down banking records, for example, that the NCAA would never get their hands on if the school did not want to turn them over.

I just can't believe that both parties would not recognize the value in co-operation.

I do not think anything the NCAA does would open them up to any lawsuits...it is voluntary and non profit organization and they do not benefit any more or less when any one team is on double secret probation. People forget that all of this money we are allegedly taking from our basketball and football players actually pays for all sorts of other sports and scholarships to help other students. No one is getting rich or 'exploiting' college athletes and that is easy for the NCAA to show.

NCAA, when it comes down to it, has all sorts of 'special exemptions' like Baseball.

Are you on crack or do you just make up crap?

You seriously think the NCAA has an advantage over the FBI?

Simply because the NCAA might have something THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL CASE we are talking about does not mean that the FBI would have a hard time getting it, as you admit yourself it is as simple as getting a warrant subpoena and then grabbing the box of evidence for themselves.

Besides as WILDcatAZfan just posted it went EXACTLY as I suspected it would.

Learn to use reason, it will make your life easier.

Three sentenced today in FBI scandal

Haney, Dawkins' attorney, promised both a "street fight" and a "fact-heavy trial." The coaches are being subpoenaed by Dawkins and Haney as defense witnesses.

Asked how many coaches might take the stand in April, Haney said, "As many as I can get in the courtroom. In the second trial, we're going to pull back the curtain."

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1103041154893918208

Good luck with that 'street fight' against the FBI where everyone except your client has so far been found guilty.

It's not obvious to me how Sean Miller (either being involved in, knowing about, or being ignorant of Dawkin's bribery involvement) is a witness that helps the defense of Dawkins.  Does anybody understand why the defense would call him?

I guess his lawyers are going to say that Dawkins was merely doing what Adidas and Adidas schools wanted him to do.  I guess you might try to say that another coach/school offering a player money is a justification for offering that same player more money?

Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but here is my understanding at the moment:

SM and Dawkins have had communications with one another as would be normal.  However, Dawkins is accused of luring the coach to players (or a specific player) wanting to come to Arizona perhaps if the money was right wink wink.  Hence shopping the player(s).  SM says he would never accept money and wouldn't even discuss the possibility.  How that discussion went down or if it went down I'm not sure has been documented.  Seems like a lot of hear say.

The attorney will probably want to bring in Miller to show that the discussion never took place as he knows Miller doesn't want any part of that story.  Miller helps them prove Dawkins didn't discuss any money with Arizona. 

Southern District of New York...93% conviction rate over the past decade. They bring pressure from every possible side.

If they testify under oath, then they have to tell the truth. Thats probably bad. Or they can lie and risk that the prosecution has evidence (like wire taps) that would contradict their testimony- at which point they are slapped with a federal perjury charge AND the NCAA has the evidence it needs to hammer AZ.

If Miller or Book plead the 5th...they just look guilty and the NCAA Bears Down (pardon the expression) even more because they don't have to play by the same rules as the FBI. We are a voluntary member of the NCAA and agree give up all sorts rights that the real world has.

If I were an NCAA investigator and a coach refused to answer sworn testimony, I'd want to know EVERYTHING....like how many paper clips the AD's office used last year, because there will be clues everywhere and they could spend months interviewing everyone who has ever touched basketball in Tucson or been recruited by AZ. Thats probably really, really bad.

Best option. Fire them all (we're on the right path, just moving too slow) and let the FBI sort them out and distance ourselves from the CRIMINALS still with us. We will have stronger case with he NCAA for reduced sanctions that way. Gotta get rid of the mob boss, though.   

https://zonazealots.com/2019/03/05/arizona-basketball-federal-sentencing-mean-arizona-sean-miller/ (https://zonazealots.com/2019/03/05/arizona-basketball-federal-sentencing-mean-arizona-sean-miller/)
^Barrera's outline with regards to April trial.

Good article!  I wonder if Dawkins and his atty anticipated receiving such a light sentence (6 months minimum security facility).  That might really have a huge impact on a potential plea.  If they offer a concurrent prison term, he needs to take that shit and run!!

Yahoo will be pumping out articles like this every week until the trial begins in April.

https://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/1103268752601292800

ESPN is now claiming that LSU coach Wade was caught on Wire taps discussing Payment to current guard Smart. This could be big as it may make LSU the face of the fbi scandal.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26172472/sources-lsu-coach-wiretap-discussing-offer

That would be nice, but when the hell are they going to mention Kansas? AND others

First off this sound exactly like last years "bombshell" of a report. Just like last year involves a top 15 team right before the tournament, just a different school and a different player, so he obviously is attempting to get people to focus more on this than the tournament... yet again. Also, how the hell is this dude intercepting FBI wiretaps? I would assume the FBI is the most secure government agency out there, so this dude is just making up some bs again like he did last year. I'd like to see him get subpoenaed for false reporting lol. At least it wont make Arizona the face of this anymore.

It's been speculated that dawkins attorney is leaking this stuff to the media. Isn't that illegal anyone know?

The ESPN story on LSU is already being backed by Yahoo and they have actual quotes. I'm going to make a separate past on the LSU wiretaps for further discussion

Quote from: AzHoops24 on March 07, 2019, 01:56:57 PM
It's been speculated that dawkins attorney is leaking this stuff to the media. Isn't that illegal anyone know?

Dawkins' attorney seems like a conceited idiot and his client did nothing wrong.  Not sure about your question but I assumed it was not legal as well.

Creighton and TCU have now been added to this FBI scandal.

https://twitter.com/nathanfenno/status/1103760424061698048
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1103762622783111174
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1103780685603590145

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1103789207242358784

Quote from: AzHoops24 on March 07, 2019, 01:56:57 PM
It's been speculated that dawkins attorney is leaking this stuff to the media. Isn't that illegal anyone know?

https://twitter.com/JasonScheer/status/1103823256715288576
While we're at it, one of the lawyers involved broke federal wiretap law today

Both Creighton and TCU assistant coaches have been placed on leave.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1104185724587380737
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1104188498737876997

Former NC state coach now Cal northridge coach Mark Godfried is now being accused of paying Dennis Smith Jr 100k. Looks like there's lots of leaks coming out.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1104210261123178496

Sure hope nothing comes out on Miller with all this info coming out.

nothing will, relax my man. Heck he will probably not even appear in court for his subpoena. Anything damning of miller would have been out months ago.

Quote from: DefinitelyNotWiid on March 09, 2019, 06:31:02 AM
nothing will, relax my man. Heck he will probably not even appear in court for his subpoena. Anything damning of miller would have been out months ago.

He still hasn't been subpoenaed... Dawkins lawyers too busy illegally leaking evidence to serve the subpoenas (there aren't going to be any subpoenas).

Quote from: WildcatInUK on March 09, 2019, 06:40:05 AM

Quote from: DefinitelyNotWiid on March 09, 2019, 06:31:02 AM
nothing will, relax my man. Heck he will probably not even appear in court for his subpoena. Anything damning of miller would have been out months ago.

He still hasn't been subpoenaed... Dawkins lawyers too busy illegally leaking evidence to serve the subpoenas (there aren't going to be any subpoenas).

Yes he has been served, and no will probably never be seen in court.

This idea that they would have come out already is a farse there are thousands and thousands of hours of audio to think they would have come out already is a stretch.

I mean did anyone know about LSU chreighton etc? The gov't doesn't follow anyone's schedule:)

I will be glad once this is over but I'm not making any guesses until it is.

Quote from: lynxaz on March 09, 2019, 09:58:49 AM
This idea that they would have come out already is a farse there are thousands and thousands of hours of audio to think they would have come out already is a stretch.

I mean did anyone know about LSU chreighton etc? The gov't doesn't follow anyone's schedule:)

I will be glad once this is over but I'm not making any guesses until it is.

unless things have changed significantly the FBI knows exactly what is on those tapes, word for word, transcribed, annotated, in a database with metadata

Fallout continues as now LSU player connected to wiretap Smart is being held out of tonight's game. 
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1104420367517581312

Lots of stuff coming out but NObody covering the Kansas crap.

https://twitter.com/TheWildcaster/status/1108139840141475842

Michael Avenatti charged with trying to extort more than $20 million from Nike
his tweet right before he was arrested  "Tmrw at 11 am ET, we will be holding a press conference to disclose a major high school/college basketball scandal perpetrated by @Nike that we have uncovered. This criminal conduct reaches the highest levels of Nike and involves some of the biggest names in college basketball,"

Ya can't make this kind of thing up.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/25/politics/michael-avenatti/index.html

Quote from: wc on March 25, 2019, 02:10:17 PM
Michael Avenatti charged with trying to extort more than $20 million from Nike
his tweet right before he was arrested  "Tmrw at 11 am ET, we will be holding a press conference to disclose a major high school/college basketball scandal perpetrated by @Nike that we have uncovered. This criminal conduct reaches the highest levels of Nike and involves some of the biggest names in college basketball,"

Ya can't make this kind of thing up.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/25/politics/michael-avenatti/index.html

The guy's a rodent, the fool is all about the $$$, Avenatti and the law have a very loose relationship.

Was that a pun in reference to his Stormy Daniels relationship?

have to admire his 'strategy'. Forget the politics of it... just take whatever the current headline is and attach yourself.

President being investigated? You've got dirt on him.
Presidnet's Lawyer being investigated? You've got dirt on him, too.
Brent Kavanaugh being vetted? You've got 2 alleged victims.
2020 Primary season just starting? You're in Iowa 'running for president'.
College Basketball investigation into shoe companies? You are attempting extortion of one of them...

I am thinking perhaps he is done at this point...but one never knows. Seems like Kato Kaelin character that will just randomly pop up on reality shows over the next 20 years.

Quote from: Liquidated on March 25, 2019, 06:58:54 PM
have to admire his 'strategy'. Forget the politics of it... just take whatever the current headline is and attach yourself.

President being investigated? You've got dirt on him.
Presidnet's Lawyer being investigated? You've got dirt on him, too.
Brent Kavanaugh being vetted? You've got 2 alleged victims.
2020 Primary season just starting? You're in Iowa 'running for president'.
College Basketball investigation into shoe companies? You are attempting extortion of one of them...

I am thinking perhaps he is done at this point...but one never knows. Seems like Kato Kaelin character that will just randomly pop up on reality shows over the next 20 years.

Hope he enjoys time. Good strategy

Story on the attorney saying Nike is paying players. IF Ayton was paid by Nike during his AAU days before he got to UofA then how are Miller and Arizona in trouble?

https://twitter.com/WildcatRadioAZ/status/1110714000772337664

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ORl3xl8b19jby/giphy.gif)

Claims Ayton was paid and provides what you are below as proof. I don't see any proof.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1111038006633422848

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on March 27, 2019, 04:58:00 PM
Claims Ayton was paid and provides what you are below as proof. I don't see any proof.

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1111038006633422848

Is that all he's got? Are you kidding me?
You could clip four texts from me to my wife and say we were paying ayton. It might even sound more convincing.

https://twitter.com/Oregonian/status/1110748993057968128

Avenatti won't stop tweeting about Ayton

https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti/status/1111103085626089472

^^^Was going to read comments on last tweet, and got this
"This account's Tweets are protected.
Only confirmed followers have access to @MichaelAvenatti's Tweets and complete profile. Click the "Follow" button to send a follow request."
Someone must have finally told him he has the right to remain silent.

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1111307877371858945

Interesting

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1113897400370909186

https://twitter.com/dukebasketball/status/1114619333068644353

https://twitter.com/jeffgreer_/status/1116113131837755392

A direct quote from Dukie V: "...".

Never mind. He'll be silent...similar to his comments regarding Zion's family's text chain with the KU staff.

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1116413945487810560

this is starting to feel like 'whack-a-mole' to quote Obama...

https://twitter.com/AP_Top25/status/1117593403519377409

This article insinuates that there are tapes of Miller out there. I'm not buying it.

https://twitter.com/TheWildcaster/status/1117263738212536320

Still the same OLD stuff being rehashed and the conversation between Dawkins and CSM is where CSM denies offering to pay Ayton. Dawkins was wanting to pay Ayton for future services not to attend Arizona. CSM said NO and that was it. Did CSM talk about paying Ayton? Not in his view because he said NO. Did Dawkins offer and try to get money to Ayton? YES. If that comes out then CSM is the GOOD guy here by abiding the NCAA rules. Talking about something does not make it a crime if it did not happen either. So yes we have Book taking a bribe. No player paid equals no violations.  The flight to Austrailia for Pinder was a violation and is why our second coach is leaving. The issue with O'Neal was never confirmed either. The place where that info came from is concerning and yet O'Neal was never ineligible.  The same with the prior PG being mentioned. Bowen was all hearsay all the way as Dawkins was throwing a name out there with a figure to get attention. Never confirmed anywhere. Ayton said he never received anything from CSM or Arizona. If his Mother did without his knowledge then that falls to the Cam Newton issue and nothing there. Cannot see how they would vacate wins when they allowed Auburn to keep their ship. Little and family came out and said they never received as much as an offer. I think that covers about all of it. Now, did CSM tell Dawkins NO, cause you know Dawkins did not walk away from Ayton.
Then again some people still believe the Russian Collusion story with Trump too. Lol
Legal stuff get nasty and half of the crap being told is lies anyway. .

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2019/4/19/18507467/sean-miller-arizona-wildcats-testify-subpoena-hearing-christian-dawkins-fbi-trial-college-basketball

...and we'll just continue to wait for somebody to release the "wiretaps".

See ya near the end of the 2019-20 season!

So supposedly CSM was concerned that he would not get Ayton to Arizona in August and needed to pay him. Anyone on here wanna look up what month or date Ayton committed to Arizona? Better yet when he came to campus? If you get those two right you would know that not only was Ayton committed to Arizona, but that he was on campus by that time.

Quote from: Little George on April 19, 2019, 05:55:03 PM
So supposedly CSM was concerned that he would not get Ayton to Arizona in August and needed to pay him. Anyone on here wanna look up what month or date Ayton committed to Arizona? Better yet when he came to campus? If you get those two right you would know that not only was Ayton committed to Arizona, but that he was on campus by that time.

I obviously hope this isn't the case but what if Dawkins was saying Bowen's family wanted $100k and Miller said something like, "You are talking Ayton money." It would be possible to be on tape discussing payment to Ayton even though Ayton was already on campus at that point. Similar to Wade making comments about a strong ass offer to Smart even though the Smart thing was not related to Dawkins.

Quote from: azwildcat10022 on April 19, 2019, 08:16:36 PM

Quote from: Little George on April 19, 2019, 05:55:03 PM
So supposedly CSM was concerned that he would not get Ayton to Arizona in August and needed to pay him. Anyone on here wanna look up what month or date Ayton committed to Arizona? Better yet when he came to campus? If you get those two right you would know that not only was Ayton committed to Arizona, but that he was on campus by that time.

I obviously hope this isn't the case but what if Dawkins was saying Bowen's family wanted $100k and Miller said something like, "You are talking Ayton money." It would be possible to be on tape discussing payment to Ayton even though Ayton was already on campus at that point. Similar to Wade making comments about a strong ass offer to Smart even though the Smart thing was not related to Dawkins.

Nope, CSM was not offering. Dawkins was offering to get Ayton to sign with him after college! CSM said no and walked away.
The Bowen issue is not an issue at all as CSM never offered anything. The only offer was Dawkins saying Arizona was willing to offer. Dawkins was blowing smoke trying to get Bowen to sign with him also. IF CSM was guilty of what these people are talking about now, he would have been right along with Book and the others long ago. The tapes would have convicted him back then! Look at the BS hype over the supposed Russian collusion crap that never was. This stuff the press puts out is total BS. There was also a lot of money spent on an internal investigation and if anything had come of it then CSM would not be CSM right now. I guess some people are still waiting for Adam Shiff's evidence of collusion too right? Funny that these two FBI investigations are winding down at the same time.
To me a more important issue is the corruption in the NCAA itself in the way they do nothing to chosen schools and hammer other schools for literally nothing. There is your real fraud! Along with our fearless Larry Scott. Screw them all.

Quote from: Little George on April 19, 2019, 09:05:47 PM

Quote from: azwildcat10022 on April 19, 2019, 08:16:36 PM

Quote from: Little George on April 19, 2019, 05:55:03 PM
So supposedly CSM was concerned that he would not get Ayton to Arizona in August and needed to pay him. Anyone on here wanna look up what month or date Ayton committed to Arizona? Better yet when he came to campus? If you get those two right you would know that not only was Ayton committed to Arizona, but that he was on campus by that time.

I obviously hope this isn't the case but what if Dawkins was saying Bowen's family wanted $100k and Miller said something like, "You are talking Ayton money." It would be possible to be on tape discussing payment to Ayton even though Ayton was already on campus at that point. Similar to Wade making comments about a strong ass offer to Smart even though the Smart thing was not related to Dawkins.

Nope, CSM was not offering. Dawkins was offering to get Ayton to sign with him after college! CSM said no and walked away.
The Bowen issue is not an issue at all as CSM never offered anything. The only offer was Dawkins saying Arizona was willing to offer. Dawkins was blowing smoke trying to get Bowen to sign with him also. IF CSM was guilty of what these people are talking about now, he would have been right along with Book and the others long ago. The tapes would have convicted him back then! Look at the BS hype over the supposed Russian collusion crap that never was. This stuff the press puts out is total BS. There was also a lot of money spent on an internal investigation and if anything had come of it then CSM would not be CSM right now. I guess some people are still waiting for Adam Shiff's evidence of collusion too right? Funny that these two FBI investigations are winding down at the same time.
To me a more important issue is the corruption in the NCAA itself in the way they do nothing to chosen schools and hammer other schools for literally nothing. There is your real fraud! Along with our fearless Larry Scott. Screw them all.

ESPN used us to take attention away from the real scandal that was announced by Yahoo the same day 2/23/18 they put out their bogus story saying Miller was talking on tape but why haven't we heard the tape yet and why wasn't Miller charged? Yahoo had plenty of actual evidence that these schools provided impermissible benefits but ESPN's story about us took all the attention away from Duke and the other schools. We've seen transcripts of Will Wade and Bill Self but all they have on AZ is a bogus claim by some shit journalist.

https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html

I agree the whole thing is a shit show. Haney staying that there is evidence of Miller directly paying players yesterday is a misdirect intended to take the fault of if the agents.
If the ncaa is serious they should ban all interactions with agents and coaches. The only discussions allowed should be with the players family and coaches for recruitment. Any outside meetings with agents or Aau coaches should be classified as a level 1 infraction no matter what the meeting was about.
Aau coaches and agents should not be involved in recruiting directly at all this has created the landscape there is today.

Attorney is claiming he will prove Miller is paying players and we'll have to wait and see. I bet anything he has no recordings and will just have quotes from Dawkins of what he claims Miller said.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1119356497782300675

Quote from: GoCatZ on April 20, 2019, 02:48:25 PM
Attorney is claiming he will prove Miller is paying players and we'll have to wait and see. I bet anything he has no recordings and will just have quotes from Dawkins of what he claims Miller said.

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1119356497782300675

He's got nothing. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. This joker is another Michael Avenatti... big on bluster, thin on legal talent. At this point, I'm starting to feel bad for Dawkins... this is the best lawyer he could get?

Let's follow Haney's "logic"... Miller paid players. So Miller is the one with true influence over players. Dawkins didn't bribe Miller. So clearly Dawkins is innocent. (But please forget actual bribes, and don't ask why Dawkins ended up bribing Book instead of the actual "influencer" Miller).

His logic is very lacking.

If Miller was caught on tape talking about paying players he would be defrauding the state and would be arrested along with Book. It was the FBI recording the conversations so why wouldn't they charge him if they had something and not go after some assistant coaches? And who knows what Book planned to do with the money. My guess is he took advantage of the situation and accepted the money knowing he wouldn't have to get any players to sign with Dawkins agency and would be able to keep the money either way.

The weirdest thing is why did the FBI get involved in the first place? They set Dawkins up and provided him with the money and instructions to bribe college coaches in the first place. Seems like a huge waste of time and money.

Interesting SI article on how the FBI took advantage of Dawkins - https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/05/23/fbi-investigation-ncaa-christian-dawkins-college-basketball-sting-operation

Quote from: eggdog on April 20, 2019, 04:20:33 PM
If Miller was caught on tape talking about paying players he would be defrauding the state and would be arrested along with Book. It was the FBI recording the conversations so why wouldn't they charge him if they had something and not go after some assistant coaches? And who knows what Book planned to do with the money. My guess is he took advantage of the situation and accepted the money knowing he wouldn't have to get any players to sign with Dawkins agency and would be able to keep the money either way.

The weirdest thing is why did the FBI get involved in the first place? They set Dawkins up and provided him with the money and instructions to bribe college coaches in the first place. Seems like a huge waste of time and money.

Interesting SI article on how the FBI took advantage of Dawkins - https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/05/23/fbi-investigation-ncaa-christian-dawkins-college-basketball-sting-operation

If Dawkins lawyer was any good... and I mean "public defender" level competent, he would've argued entrapment. His client wouldn't have committed the crimes if the undercover agent hadn't facilitated the activities. But no, Haney pursued a doomed strategy of, "we didn't bribe coach A, so clearly we're not guilty of bribing coach B... who we bribed."

The complaint makes it pretty clear that Book was going to get paid (a salary) $5000 per month to direct players to Dawkins. Dawkins even told Book he didn't give a **** what Book did with the money, and SUGGESTED paying recruits. That's where the lazy media made it appear like Book was taking bribes to pay recruits.

The FBI lies all the time, undercover and otherwise, but if whisper something wrong to them They  twist it any way they want it.
Our government is corrupt.

Duke is finally brought up in actual wire taps. Clemson assistant coach talked about whoever gets Bagley and Zion's are gonna have to pay. Where do they end up? The media won't dare make this a big deal.

https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1121465413345267714

Lol, Adam immediately says there's now proof Zion was paid. Here's our response

https://twitter.com/playersprogramu/status/1121495566234505216

Dawkins said on tape that he communicated with both Miller and Richardson because the two didn't get along.
"Him and Sean hate each other," Dawkins said. "It's weird. It's like a bad marriage."

Is this really what the guy said?

The yacht meeting was scheduled so the men could discuss broadening their network. Richardson, Miller's longest-serving assistant, appeared to be a prime target. The men discussed on the video how much to pay Richardson, noting he was worth top dollar. Blazer said on tape that Richardson was worthy of $4,000 a month, and Dawkins agreed.
"Like Book, OK, that makes sense to give him four grand a month because he's got the No. 1 pick — every year, they got a top-10 pick," Dawkins said on tape.
Dawkins said on tape that he communicated with both Miller and Richardson because the two didn't get along.
"Him and Sean hate each other," Dawkins said. "It's weird. It's like a bad marriage."



That was a bigger section of it.

That's certainly shady, and depending on what is communicated to the athletes it could be unethical.  But taking money from an agent to steer athletes to that agent after graduation doesn't seem to be a NCAA rules violation.  It's not really clear to me in what way its illegal either, but point and yell wire fraud I guess.

Quote from: WildcatInUK on April 20, 2019, 04:36:35 PM

The complaint makes it pretty clear that Book was going to get paid (a salary) $5000 per month to direct players to Dawkins. Dawkins even told Book he didn't give a **** what Book did with the money, and SUGGESTED paying recruits. That's where the lazy media made it appear like Book was taking bribes to pay recruits.

Yea...good thing Book is so ethical - we really dodged a bullet there!

Sorry, could not refuse. 

2 points for a little balance here.

1. As downright pissed off as I am about the state of the program - I have never thought the Schlabach story was legit and have said so often. And I think finally those who have wanted to defend Miller have rational and logical defense for Miller as this trial(s) and a few facts have unfolded so they are not just blindly supporting a coach who, frankly, they had no idea whether he was guilty or innocent and probably still really don't know to a full extent. Rush to judgment in either direction is always bad. Ultimately, the lack of any evidence whatsoever is good for Miller, but as you probably guess, IMO, it is bad for the AZ BB program in the long term. After all the B.S. of the past few years that happened all under his watch, I just can't see how anyone can support him. That is my opinion.

2. THERE IS STILL SOMETHING MISSING. The accusations for all of AZ BB's shenanigans over the past few years are of a nature that, IMO, should be answered and addressed. A simple - "we've cleaned up our act and fired those responsible" statement from Heeke would be good first step. Part of the continuing media stirrings is the way in which Miller/Arizona handled (or rather, didn't handle) things. No sworn testimony, no depositions, no statements, no comments...just a midnight flight home from Oregon, denial with no details and deafening silence. It is time for Miller (and the University) to choose a path and A. Punch Back, B. Punch Back hard, or C. Go full Trump on their asses. No classless comments about 'go back to Phoenix' - answer the damn question. So Miller is innocent? Fine - Don't say so in the form of a hollow denial. Say so with a lawsuit for slander or libel...have the University sue ESPN for lost revenue due to lost recruits. It likely goes absolutely no where, but it would send cruise missile across their bow and make guys like Schlabach piss themselves - or present actual, factual, hard evidence for the court of public opinion.   

If it all ends with something as mundane as "Miller doesn't have to testify" - no one will ever know the truth, good, bad or indifferent.

We have a reputation to repair that may not ever recover and the sooner the powers that be get started on doing so the better, IMO.

We've got the second best recruiting class coming in and should be top 10-ish pre-season team. Our program is fine. We can't control the narrative the media is trying to spin to protect Kansas, Duke and all of the other schools mentioned. We fired Book for taking money but the player he supposedly was going to pay played last season and Pasternack coached all year at UCSB (and actually did a heck of a job with that program).

Quote from: eggdog on April 27, 2019, 10:24:29 AM
We've got the second best recruiting class coming in and should be top 10-ish pre-season team. Our program is fine. We can't control the narrative the media is trying to spin to protect Kansas, Duke and all of the other schools mentioned. We fired Book for taking money but the player he supposedly was going to pay played last season and Pasternack coached all year at UCSB (and actually did a heck of a job with that program).

4 words:

National Collegiate Athletic Association

Post season play. Scholarships. Vacated wins (fortunately we didn't have that many to vacate)...etc.

Quote from: Liquidated on April 27, 2019, 12:39:09 PM

Quote from: eggdog on April 27, 2019, 10:24:29 AM
We've got the second best recruiting class coming in and should be top 10-ish pre-season team. Our program is fine. We can't control the narrative the media is trying to spin to protect Kansas, Duke and all of the other schools mentioned. We fired Book for taking money but the player he supposedly was going to pay played last season and Pasternack coached all year at UCSB (and actually did a heck of a job with that program).

4 words:

National Collegiate Athletic Association

Post season play. Scholarships. Vacated wins (fortunately we didn't have that many to vacate)...etc.

As of February, the NCAA hasn't sent a Notice of Inquiry to Arizona (Unlike Louisville and Kansas). Considering all the colleges now involved, could be years, or never before they get around to Arizona.

Ultimately, concerning the whole corruption scandal, it appears Arizona should only have to worry about the Book issue. It's becoming clear there isn't any evidence to corroborate any other violation.

If Book took money to steer players towards a financial advisor is that even an NCAA violation or just against the law?

Quote from: eggdog on April 27, 2019, 03:10:48 PM
If Book took money to steer players towards a financial advisor is that even an NCAA violation or just against the law?

Not if he did not pay the player. The player he was supposedly to pay went to Villanova and played this year meaning he did not get paid or he would not have played.

Quote from: Little George on April 27, 2019, 03:29:54 PM

Quote from: eggdog on April 27, 2019, 03:10:48 PM
If Book took money to steer players towards a financial advisor is that even an NCAA violation or just against the law?

Not if he did not pay the player. The player he was supposedly to pay went to Villanova and played this year meaning he did not get paid or he would not have played.

Thanks - that's what I was hoping.

Quote from: Little George on April 27, 2019, 03:29:54 PM

Quote from: eggdog on April 27, 2019, 03:10:48 PM
If Book took money to steer players towards a financial advisor is that even an NCAA violation or just against the law?

Not if he did not pay the player. The player he was supposedly to pay went to Villanova and played this year meaning he did not get paid or he would not have played.

The question is whether Book violated NCAA Bylaw 10.1(e), which states:
(e) Receipt of benefits by an institutional staff member for facilitating or arranging a meeting between a student-athlete and an agent, financial advisor or a representative of an agent or advisor (e.g., "runner"); (Adopted: 1/9/96, Revised: 4/26/06)

He clearly accepted benefits... the question is, did a meeting between a player and Dawkins need to occur for there to be a violation?  In other words, we know Book intended to (in his own words) to direct players to Dawkins, and accepted benefits to do so. but does intent = violation if a meeting between a player and Dawkins never took place?

If we were UNC we would not be having this conversation. Because we are Arizona we are!
The inconsistency by the NCAA to rule just and fairly with all the member institutions is the real scam here on who is cheating the universities. So yea, we just do not know.

Quote from: WildcatInUK on April 27, 2019, 12:53:01 PM

Quote from: Liquidated on April 27, 2019, 12:39:09 PM

Quote from: eggdog on April 27, 2019, 10:24:29 AM
We've got the second best recruiting class coming in and should be top 10-ish pre-season team. Our program is fine. We can't control the narrative the media is trying to spin to protect Kansas, Duke and all of the other schools mentioned. We fired Book for taking money but the player he supposedly was going to pay played last season and Pasternack coached all year at UCSB (and actually did a heck of a job with that program).

4 words:

National Collegiate Athletic Association

Post season play. Scholarships. Vacated wins (fortunately we didn't have that many to vacate)...etc.

As of February, the NCAA hasn't sent a Notice of Inquiry to Arizona (Unlike Louisville and Kansas). Considering all the colleges now involved, could be years, or never before they get around to Arizona.

Ultimately, concerning the whole corruption scandal, it appears Arizona should only have to worry about the Book issue. It's becoming clear there isn't any evidence to corroborate any other violation.

We just saw the article in February that AZ was co operating with an ongoing NCAA investigation...

https://www.abc15.com/sports/report-ncaa-inquiry-into-arizona-wildcats-mens-basketball-is-underway

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/these-five-questions-will-dominate-arizona-wildcats-long-offseason/collection_a501c7c4-483f-11e9-a32d-ebe68fb0d818.html#3

So the investigation (inquiry) is already underway. I have not seen anything reporting that it has concluded.

And the issue is not whether Book technically violated the NCAA rules or not. Jerry Sandusky did not violate any NCAA rules and yet, somehow, the NCAA whacked Penn State ten years after the fact to punish a bunch of players and coaches who were not guilty of anything or had an association with Sandusky, except they worked at the same institution ten years later. The NCAA should have no jurisdiction over what Sandusky did - that needs to be court of law with no title IX bull shit and the ability to put a needle in his arm if its warranted. Keeping players from bowl games for 100 years and limited scholarships did not punish Sandusky. 

The NCAA will find, if they want to, plenty of reasons to hurt AZ. My concern is not the technicalities of whether they can or not, THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT, we are a voluntary member of the organization and if we wish to remain so, then we have to play by their capricious, made up rules. There are many, many examples of schools who got by with flat out major violations and felony law breaking that got no punishment at all (Miami FB wth cocaine and hookers for example) and some with tiny technicalities that should not have mattered that cost a program dearly (Ohio State FB players trading autographs for haircuts, brought down coach).

We now have a grossly deep and broad pattern of self reported misbehavior (Trier's PED's, Plane tickets, Pasternaks recruiting stuff, Books conviction, academic fraud, players accused of rape (title IX comes into play), and its the pattern that I worry the NCAA will use as grounds for deeper investigations and the pattern of misbehavior that I worry will lead them to maybe find some actual bad stuff.

It's not over. And the worst thing is that if the NCAA chooses to punish AZ, it could be next years team banned from the tournament or post season play or subsequent teams limited by scholarships or both....

They could just ignore it all, too. But the fact is there is an ongoing inquiry, it has not been resolved as far as I know and it is now in its fourth month...

Soon we won't have to post in this thread again.

https://twitter.com/nathanfenno/status/1131594708512206851

Please make sure BSPN gets the memo  ;)

Can't touch the blue bloods

https://twitter.com/DickieV/status/1131987869822853120

Total corruption in the NCAA

"My guess is a loss of a scholarship for a year, a limited number of official visits and recruiting for one year and maybe a fine $$$...

I highly doubt a post-season ban." CATLAX

I agree...

They let him play because he already sat out for a full calendar year.

I won't be surprised if the NCAA wipes the Kansas wins from the record books in 2017-18, but Silvio deserved to play this year. Glad the NCAA did the right thing in this circumstance.

Now they need to dig into Zion and Bagley...

My issue is with the school not the player first, but usually once a player is paid they are done unless they pay it back.

I believe it was Maryland and Under Armour that initially paid his carrier, but I could be wrong.

While I think it's fair he gets to play next season De Sousa is the third player since just 2014 to be suspended for taking improper benefits at KU joining Cliff Alexander and Billy Preston. Plus they have records Josh Jackson was paid. Crazy if they don't get hit with a lack of institutional control.

Especially considering the fact that Townsend directly sent texts to Zion regarding family benefits. They're going to get hit harder than anybody else.

Looks like usc also sent a letter stating their assistant coach has damaged the University. Interesting...

https://twitter.com/nathanfenno/status/1135737630069469184

USC's assistant Bland receives no jail time. This is a good sign for Book who gets sentenced tomorrow. Hopefully he also gets no jail time.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1136293218134503430

Nice! I really hope Book doesn't have to do any time, being banished from basketball is punishment enough. I wonder if the NCAA will take any of what his lawyer said today into account when deciding on USC's penalties, this is far from their first offense and the hiring of a player's dad as coach is pretty shady.

https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/1136307280276852738

Quote from: eggdog on June 05, 2019, 05:41:29 PMI wonder if the NCAA will take any of what his lawyer said today into account when deciding on USC's penalties, this is far from their first offense and the hiring of a player's dad as coach is pretty shady.

Definitely. I assume Book's attorney knew that the potential for Bland to avoid jail time was reason enough to delay Book's process.  Now that there's a similar punishment, it's looking good. 

Book took more money, but it was also proven that he didn't give it to any prospects.  Hoping for the best...

Like Book Evans get 3 months in prison.

https://twitter.com/AP_Top25/status/1137090868060594176

So how corrupt is the FBI? Compare this. Book took 20k and did nothing with it to corrupt players or the University at all. Then think about his 90 days in jail/prison. Now compare it to this scam.

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1138895376159821824

Yahoo's story on NCAA's announcement of coming notices of violations.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1139348685136060417

So what can we expect?  Probation for 4 years and loss of 2 scholarships from 2020-2022?

I'm thinking wins potentially vacated along with a limit or confiscation of some scholarships, campus visits, recruiting tools, and a mandatory re-vamp of the coaching line. Hopefully no forceful firing of Sean Miller. That would be the worst.

If we are found quilty of a level one violation, we should expect loss of scholarships and multi year probation and post season ban.  In addition, Sean would be dismissed and forfeit the 1 million he said he would give up if his program was found quilty of a major violation. 

Quote from: TJ74 on June 14, 2019, 02:22:49 PM
If we are found quilty of a level one violation, we should expect loss of scholarships and multi year probation and post season ban.  In addition, Sean would be dismissed and forfeit the 1 million he said he would give up if his program was found quilty of a major violation.

If we forfeit wins that means eligibility issues and so far that hasn't happened. Loss of scholarships and a couple years probation

If last season's record was vacated, nobody could complain about finishing with the worst record in 36 years because "it never happened".

Let's throw out last season & go on probation!

I guess I'm still confused at this point what exactly they can penalize us for.  It seems we've been exonerated at every turn (at least as far as I know).  Perhaps they can say Miller should have been aware of what his assistant was doing, but then by Richardson's own admission it was done off book and consisted of him taking a payoff and not paying players.

I'm sure they'll come up with some reason to penalize us for something since we seem to be the country's whipping boy, but I am really hoping it will not be any type of post season ban which would of course kill our recruiting efforts.

Quote from: Bob A on June 14, 2019, 04:18:48 PM
I guess I'm still confused at this point what exactly they can penalize us for.  It seems we've been exonerated at every turn (at least as far as I know).  Perhaps they can say Miller should have been aware of what his assistant was doing, but then by Richardson's own admission it was done off book and consisted of him taking a payoff and not paying players.

I'm sure they'll come up with some reason to penalize us for something since we seem to be the country's whipping boy, but I am really hoping it will not be any type of post season ban which would of course kill our recruiting efforts.

most likely a failure to monitor which is a level two offense.

Quote from: Bob A on June 14, 2019, 04:18:48 PM
I guess I'm still confused at this point what exactly they can penalize us for.  It seems we've been exonerated at every turn (at least as far as I know).  Perhaps they can say Miller should have been aware of what his assistant was doing, but then by Richardson's own admission it was done off book and consisted of him taking a payoff and not paying players.

I'm sure they'll come up with some reason to penalize us for something since we seem to be the country's whipping boy, but I am really hoping it will not be any type of post season ban which would of course kill our recruiting efforts.

There is absolutely no consistency when it comes to the NCAA so who knows. Looking at the violation structure we could get anything from a level one violation to level four. Reading the descriptions of the violations I'd say we're at about a level 3 without knowing the details of what Phelps did, which sounds like it could fall under academic fraud, but what little I've heard is that it wasn't major and we self reported to be safe while all the other stuff was going on.

If they hit us with academic fraud, lack of institutional control or unethical or dishonest conduct that's level one but their description of a level one violation doesn't seem like it applies to us: Violations that seriously undermine or threaten the integrity of the NCAA collegiate model as set forth in the Constitution and bylaws, including any violation that provides or is intended to provide a substantial or extensive recruiting, competitive or other advantage, or a substantial or extensive impermissible benefit.

They lay everything out here:
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/new-violation-structure-introduced

Quote from: eggdog on June 14, 2019, 06:42:28 PM

Quote from: Bob A on June 14, 2019, 04:18:48 PM
I guess I'm still confused at this point what exactly they can penalize us for.  It seems we've been exonerated at every turn (at least as far as I know).  Perhaps they can say Miller should have been aware of what his assistant was doing, but then by Richardson's own admission it was done off book and consisted of him taking a payoff and not paying players.

I'm sure they'll come up with some reason to penalize us for something since we seem to be the country's whipping boy, but I am really hoping it will not be any type of post season ban which would of course kill our recruiting efforts.

There is absolutely no consistency when it comes to the NCAA so who knows. Looking at the violation structure we could get anything from a level one violation to level four. Reading the descriptions of the violations I'd say we're at about a level 3 without knowing the details of what Phelps did, which sounds like it could fall under academic fraud, but what little I've heard is that it wasn't major and we self reported to be safe while all the other stuff was going on.

If they hit us with academic fraud, lack of institutional control or unethical or dishonest conduct that's level one but their description of a level one violation doesn't seem like it applies to us: Violations that seriously undermine or threaten the integrity of the NCAA collegiate model as set forth in the Constitution and bylaws, including any violation that provides or is intended to provide a substantial or extensive recruiting, competitive or other advantage, or a substantial or extensive impermissible benefit.

They lay everything out here:
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/new-violation-structure-introduced

Book's activities likely fall under the 19.1.1 Severe Breach of Conduct (Level I Violation) for (d) Individual unethical or dishonest conduct. His activities were obviously unethical and dishonest... he's going to jail because of them. One could make a strong argument that he seriously undermined the integrity of the NCAA model. BUT, there wasn't any impermissible benefits, illegal recruiting, or competitive advantage, so I don't see punishment related to competition or recruiting (scholarships or post season). I bet we'll get probation because of it.

Fortunately for us, there's no indication of a violation related to eligibility or impermissible benefits, or ANYTHING that gave Arizona any kind of advantage in recruiting or competition. I also assume that Miller and the University have their bases covered when it comes to compliance ... they'll be able to argue that Books actions occurred in such a short time frame and in such extreme secrecy that no compliance program would've been able to detect them. Essentially, unless the UA had the ability to monitor electronic communications (it doesn't), it was impossible to detect Book's activities. Once his activities were discovered, the University took immediate action to discipline him (fired him), and cooperated fully with law authorities and the NCAA.

Also, compared to other programs with eligibility issues (Louisville, Kansas, NC State, Auburn, Miami, OK State, perhaps even Oregon, Utah, and Washington), I don't think Arizona's predicament is all that dire. But, The media (which makes money off of certain programs) is trying to build pressure to scapegoat Arizona. Hopefully Arizona lawyers are ready.

https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1139532727575695360

This is true and NOT true!

True that the NCAA is politically motivated and CORRUPT to the core as MONEY is the root cause of their unjust control!
Not true because actually Bush the player said he knew the family was receiving benefits. The difference between Bush and Newton was that Newton lied about it and said he did not know. Now both Bush and Newton are smart enough to know that MONEY was coming from somewhere. NO player was paid by Arizona or anyone within the program. This story is BS!

Quote from: WildcatInUK on June 15, 2019, 03:48:57 AM
Book's activities likely fall under the 19.1.1 Severe Breach of Conduct (Level I Violation) for (d) Individual unethical or dishonest conduct. His activities were obviously unethical and dishonest... he's going to jail because of them. One could make a strong argument that he seriously undermined the integrity of the NCAA model. BUT, there wasn't any impermissible benefits, illegal recruiting, or competitive advantage, so I don't see punishment related to competition or recruiting (scholarships or post season). I bet we'll get probation because of it.

Fortunately for us, there's no indication of a violation related to eligibility or impermissible benefits, or ANYTHING that gave Arizona any kind of advantage in recruiting or competition. I also assume that Miller and the University have their bases covered when it comes to compliance ... they'll be able to argue that Books actions occurred in such a short time frame and in such extreme secrecy that no compliance program would've been able to detect them. Essentially, unless the UA had the ability to monitor electronic communications (it doesn't), it was impossible to detect Book's activities. Once his activities were discovered, the University took immediate action to discipline him (fired him), and cooperated fully with law authorities and the NCAA.

Also, compared to other programs with eligibility issues (Louisville, Kansas, NC State, Auburn, Miami, OK State, perhaps even Oregon, Utah, and Washington), I don't think Arizona's predicament is all that dire. But, The media (which makes money off of certain programs) is trying to build pressure to scapegoat Arizona. Hopefully Arizona lawyers are ready.

We have a good idea of what Book did and while it was a violation that doesn't seem like it would lead to anything serious. Now I'm most concerned with the Phelps academic situation and the allegations about Pasternack (which also came from Dawkins who is completely unreliable).

The story below gives just a glimpse of how paying players in NCAA football is the much bigger story. The NCAA just sits back and turns a blind eye. LSU is already in trouble basketball wise and now this for the football team? Now a booster has paid 180k to players dad.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1142235244533309441

Chuck Person gets NO Jail time! Wow

Book Richardson should've gotten the same sentence with No jail time. Person took 91k and what Book took was chump change. Total BS!! #FreeBook

https://twitter.com/si_ncaabb/status/1151545969001017344

Mr Fake News himself comes out of hiding to write an article on Auburn expecting a notice of allegation in hoops. Does this mean they will be next? It would be good for us if they are as it would give us even more of an idea of what to expect with assistant coach Person's being in the same boat as Book.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/27213787/auburn-expects-notice-allegations-hoops

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on July 18, 2019, 10:46:49 AM
Mr Fake News himself comes out of hiding to write an article on Auburn expecting a notice of allegation in hoops. Does this mean they will be next? It would be good for us if they are as it would give us even more of an idea of what to expect with assistant coach Person's being in the same boat as Book.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/27213787/auburn-expects-notice-allegations-hoops

Except for the fact that HE paid players and two were ineligible while nobody at Arizona was paid according to the records.

Quote from: KansasCityCats on June 14, 2019, 03:35:57 PM
If last season's record was vacated, nobody could complain about finishing with the worst record in 36 years because "it never happened".

Let's throw out last season & go on probation!

Post of the year! Brilliant!

You know that post was specifically intended for you :)

Lol at Auburn trying to lie about self imposing a ban. This should be bigger news than its has been. Let's see if ESPN and Dickie V go crazy over this like they would if it was Arizona doing this instead.

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/1160689307029577728

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on August 11, 2019, 09:56:09 PM
Lol at Auburn trying to lie about self imposing a ban. This should be bigger news than its has been. Let's see if ESPN and Dickie V go crazy over this like they would if it was Arizona doing this instead.

https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/1160689307029577728

Wait...Bruce Pearl is corrupt?! OMG.

Well this is interesting.

https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status/1165032591012982784

I guess NCAA must perform  there own investigation .

Formally.. as in the NCAA has to get their hands dirty to get the dirt.

I hope we forfeit schollies and get 2-3 years probation and can move on. Recruits seeing the endgame could give Miller a huge boost. Plus the damn uncertainty is killin me. Lets get this shit over wit already please and thank you NCAA

I don't really see that happening, meaning I think we get off with much less than that.

First off consider that what Book did (and was played out like a huge drama) did not benefit the school in any way, in fact the way the FBI framed it, his actions victimized the university...and I'm not talking about players getting money, he victimized the UA by committing a crime.

This is no different than Book getting caught on tape being part of a counterfeiting operation, its a federal crime he broke not a NCAA violation.

So what authority does the NCAA have here? Not much, Book has already been fired and the most glaring impropriety will be lack of institutional control over a rogue coach. What Book did does not violate NCAA rules that were in place, so imagine if an assistant at Duke got caught selling fake Rolexs to players...he would get fired and everyone would want to make a big deal about it but technically it does not violate anything in the Universities relationship with the NCAA...same thing here...

When the dust settles everyone is going to hear a ton of liquidated-brains people complaining that Miller cheats and gets away with it because he makes his staff take the fall, but there is not one shred of evidence that Miller has ever cheated the system...

If anything I bet when the NCAA is done they will say (behind closed doors) that Miller is one of the squeakiest clean coaches they have ever seen...think about the amount of scrutiny that Miller has been under for the last few years now...just imagine ANY OTHER COACH living under that spotlight and still pulling off the recruiting class he has done.

If you think Millerand the UofA are dirty consider your brains liquidated...you have not a lick of common sense.

So what can the NCAA punish? The fact that Miller did not wiretap his staffs phones and know everything they were doing at all times? Thats against the law by the way...there is a place where institutional control butts up against privacy laws and you can damn well bet Miller has his eyes right on that borderline at all times.

The NCAA cannot punish Miller for not breaking privacy laws.

Worst case scenario we lose a scholarship and Miller sits out two games, but I seriously doubt even that will happen...if there is any real punishment it MIGHT be over the Phelps saga...but its starting to look like Heeke is gonna take th efall for that one and Phelps is going to win his day...so even there Miller has no dirt on his hands.

You can't burn a witch you can't catch.

I agree NCAA needs to hurry up an tell Arizona there violations  so Arizona can get on there way  I am sure it has to be hurting with some recruits an other team  around  the country especially  pac 12 that are  taking advantage of the situation.

The good news is that we likely won't receive a postseason ban if we don't hear anything prior to the start of the season.

Interesting

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1169032011647991814

Hilarious. They're basically telling the NCAA that they need to do their own research to fix the problem that they allowed to get out of hand over a period of 50 years.

Just as we assumed...either every D-1 program gets nailed...or nothing happens and stricter regulations are enforced going forward. The easy answer is to sweep everything under the rug and pretend like nothing happened.

Based on this update, it's easy to assume that NCAA football will never be investigated either...

I think they just did not want the NCAA to see the lack of effort they put into it. I think it is funny that an FBI agent comes to you and lies about who he is and or his purpose to catch you in a lie and then prosecutes you for lying to him. Just a total sham organization anymore.

Palms have been greased.. classic maneuvering by feds

I  sure hope this mess ends soon it is I know we all are sick of it.

https://twitter.com/BrucePascoe/status/1171542517063417857

How does he get less than Book?

Quote from: PBCatfan on September 10, 2019, 03:33:33 PM
How does he get less than Book?

This is my question too. Different court/judge? But how can punishment be so inconsistent? The legal system is so f**ked up.

Quote from: PBCatfan on September 10, 2019, 03:33:33 PM
How does he get less than Book?

Well, first of all he was cooperating with the Feds to help them, something Book was not invited to do, second they have Book on video actually TAKING a bribe money that could potentially hurt the institution he worked for...Gassnola admitted to paying money...not sure its the same thing here...Book was an employee of UofA, whereas Gassnola was an Adidas consultant...he helped bring Gatto to trial...Book did not help anyone, let alone his own reputation.

Sounds like Gass decided to sing first and sing amongst the loudest. He's no longer a goodfella.

Yes, but regardless of video evidence, Gassnola admitted to his involvement in multiple bribery scandals.

Book was caught with $15K, which is nothing compared to the adidas deals that were discussed in the article.

Ridiculous that he won't serve hard time.

Yes when the golf coach at what SC or Stanford, cannot remember which one had taken over 100k and got probation only. The system is more than flawed by differences in judges political or personal positions. Then there is a good amount of pure corruption within the judicial system itself which defeats the statement of innocence until proven guilty. The press also adds to the problem with things like everything from misleading statements and articles to flat out lies for much of the same reasons. Greed to get the story out first and political statements. Dukie V and his total bias to the original statement by slawbogger and espeon were and still are wrong with NO accountability or remorse when they know they are wrong because they willfully lied to grab the headlines. Trying to avoid the political stuff here, but it is what it is and it is corrupting everything in this country and the world. Allowing transgenders to compete in sports is a good example of it. If what happen with Trier cost him eligibility,  then transgender should cost those athletes their eligibility as well. Talk about unfair advantages.
I walked away from most NFL NBA etc years ago because of the greed and such and could easily do the same with the NCAA. It is just about there now. I love the game and the players who work so hard to get there but the system is broken. Corrupt!

One Sat a month help out at the local community center and after 6 months when nobody cares anymore suspend the remainder of the punishment for good behavior.  The entire thing is a fiasco and tiresome.  I thought I understood the point of the investigation but as it turns out I didn't and still don't.

On top of the FBI scandal you have the NCAA working secretly doing who knows what.  They will once again surface just before the season and find a school or two to punish using whatever punishment they make up with little regard to consistency.  In the case of Arizona there is no reason for this to drag on for 2+ years.  Investigate, judge and punish with concrete reasons for your findings and length of punishment in a timely manner. 

All of this makes is hard to continue following NCAA basketball.  I'm sure it's 10x worse in the world of NCAA football.

If the NCAA and FBI were working to fix the corruption I would be 100% behind them.  But, the NCAA especially wants to be perceived as working to fix the corruption while greasing their own pockets and not hurting the income stream.  If they really wanted to fix it they would severely limit the deals between the Nikes', Addidas' and the schools.  Make all schools pay the same.  No more of this sponsorship bullshite. 

And I have no idea why the FBI got involved.  Perhaps training for their new young FBI rookies.

Quote from: Little George on September 11, 2019, 08:55:37 AM
Yes when the golf coach at what SC or Stanford, cannot remember which one had taken over 100k and got probation only. The system is more than flawed by differences in judges political or personal positions. Then there is a good amount of pure corruption within the judicial system itself which defeats the statement of innocence until proven guilty. The press also adds to the problem with things like everything from misleading statements and articles to flat out lies for much of the same reasons. Greed to get the story out first and political statements. Dukie V and his total bias to the original statement by slawbogger and espeon were and still are wrong with NO accountability or remorse when they know they are wrong because they willfully lied to grab the headlines. Trying to avoid the political stuff here, but it is what it is and it is corrupting everything in this country and the world. Allowing transgenders to compete in sports is a good example of it. If what happen with Trier cost him eligibility,  then transgender should cost those athletes their eligibility as well. Talk about unfair advantages.
I walked away from most NFL NBA etc years ago because of the greed and such and could easily do the same with the NCAA. It is just about there now. I love the game and the players who work so hard to get there but the system is broken. Corrupt!

I hear you LG.  I quit all professional sports a few years ago for the same reasons.  I follow 2 college football/basketball teams (Arizona and WSU).  My daughter attends WSU so they are my second school behind UA.  The corruption is ruining it and I'm very close to quitting the NCAA as well.  I'm trying hard to separate all of the corruption from the teams and kids.  They are fun to watch even if it is maddening to watch them sometimes.  The insane amounts being paid to college coaches who haven't earned it yet (I'm looking at you Sumlin) doesn't help.  When that much money is involved corruption will follow.

Quote from: BearDown93 on September 11, 2019, 09:11:51 AM

Quote from: Little George on September 11, 2019, 08:55:37 AM
Yes when the golf coach at what SC or Stanford, cannot remember which one had taken over 100k and got probation only. The system is more than flawed by differences in judges political or personal positions. Then there is a good amount of pure corruption within the judicial system itself which defeats the statement of innocence until proven guilty. The press also adds to the problem with things like everything from misleading statements and articles to flat out lies for much of the same reasons. Greed to get the story out first and political statements. Dukie V and his total bias to the original statement by slawbogger and espeon were and still are wrong with NO accountability or remorse when they know they are wrong because they willfully lied to grab the headlines. Trying to avoid the political stuff here, but it is what it is and it is corrupting everything in this country and the world. Allowing transgenders to compete in sports is a good example of it. If what happen with Trier cost him eligibility,  then transgender should cost those athletes their eligibility as well. Talk about unfair advantages.
I walked away from most NFL NBA etc years ago because of the greed and such and could easily do the same with the NCAA. It is just about there now. I love the game and the players who work so hard to get there but the system is broken. Corrupt!

I hear you LG.  I quit all professional sports a few years ago for the same reasons.  I follow 2 college football/basketball teams (Arizona and WSU).  My daughter attends WSU so they are my second school behind UA.  The corruption is ruining it and I'm very close to quitting the NCAA as well.  I'm trying hard to separate all of the corruption from the teams and kids.  They are fun to watch even if it is maddening to watch them sometimes.  The insane amounts being paid to college coaches who haven't earned it yet (I'm looking at you Sumlin) doesn't help.  When that much money is involved corruption will follow.

I'm there with you guys. Big money has ruined collegiate sports . . . at least the ones I'm interested in following.

I'd offer to coach the team for 40k a year but they wouldn't look at me. People go nuts when a school hires a HS coach no matter his success. With our run game the last three years there is NO reason we are not a run heavy team controlling the ball and the clock and wearing down the D in most games. Maybe a 70/30 run ratio.

I know thread is not football.

The thread WILL become football when that investigation is finally underway.

As previously mentioned, it's 10x more corrupt because there are 10x more "scholarships".  Go dig into how much tOSU, USC, Texas and the entire SEC pay their players.  ESPN would have a ****fit because their revenue would die after the corruption scandal wipes out college football.

I'd give it 1-2 years before anybody cares to start the investigation.  If/when it happens...boom.

Quote from: KansasCityCats on September 11, 2019, 08:14:39 AM
Yes, but regardless of video evidence, Gassnola admitted to his involvement in multiple bribery scandals.

Book was caught with $15K, which is nothing compared to the adidas deals that were discussed in the article.

Ridiculous that he won't serve hard time.

Tanya McDowell got 5 yrs for sending her son to the wrong school district & Kelley Williams-Bolar got 3 years $30k fine for sending her daughter to the wrong school district...Felicity Huffman gets 14 DAYS...

14 days...

Guess  Thomas "T.J." Gassnola's race...(He's NOT a POC)...

IF you doubt there is such a thing as white privilege you've never examined the court system and looked at the hard cold data.

It's ridiculous. I thought we were beyond the days where a racial bias could determine the outcome in a courtroom.

This mess proved otherwise. Yay America.

This investigation is just interminable.  It has been a dark cloud over this program for what seems like forever.  Here we are on the cusp of what would normally be an exciting season with a bunch of promising players and my excitement is still tempered by the fact that there seems to be a new story in the press every week.  It's 'death by a thousand cuts!'

Come on NCAA.  Do whatever you're going to do OR exonerate us but GET THIS THING OVER WITH!

Corruption IS the game with the NCAA!

Notice that over 20 years of academic fraud occurred throughout most of the UNC sports programs and they QUICKLY dismissed it under a lie. Under the NCAA decision I could go to campus and give the athletes thousands of $$$$ as long as I give it to NON athletes as well. What kind of crap is that? The NCAA has NO integrity about it at all.
There is more evidence of Kansas players being paid than anyone from Arizona, but nothing yet. Clear cut evidence!
In football, the Cam Newton ordeal was another fine example of corruption.

Then you have Boise State with about $4,500 dollars in fast food purchases for athletes over a three year span and they get sanctions? What a disgrace the NCAA is! If the earth opened up and swallowed the building and the corrupt slobs in it the world would be a better place! Sound a little angry? I am not happy with all the double standards in sports and law today. See the Book legal case and that was total BS too!

Sadly there is nobody to hold these people accountable for anything anymore.

Try not to forget that for all its posturing the NCAA is basically a committee of school admins, AD/ and reps on steroids...

Its a volunteer organisation with tons of perceived power, but more than that huge purse strings...

The NCAA is basically your local election board monitoring the voting stations with tons of money...if you participate you get a little sticker...if they don't like your vote you will never know if it counted...they can shove some obscure rule in your face or send you to a different precinct at will...volunteers with power.

They are not there to change the system, they are there to keep the system from changing.

As we can clearly see in other instances ---> There is a very unbalanced justice system. Especially at a higher magnitude than the world of college sports. Real lives are affected every day by real life precedents that get set.

By Turns Tearful and Stoic, Felicity Huffman Gets 14-Day Prison
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/13/us/felicity-huffman-sentencing.html

I wonder what the narrative and prison (not jail) sentences would look like if it were drug dealers / gang leaders were caught paying bribes for their kids or selected kids to get into colleges.

https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1175143455716073472

Could not agree more with Torres. 

https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1176243755474513922

https://twitter.com/Aaron_Torres/status/1176311373178867712

Loving this Aaron Torres guy

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/27707238/ga-tech-gets-probation-1-year-postseason-ban

Hilarious side note: ESPN mentions that the Georgia Tech staff took Wendell Carter, "current Chicago Bull" to a strip club.  They forgot to mention that he was 1 of 25 players mentioned during the investigation for accepting benefits while at DOOK.

Keep 'em under the radar until Dukie V, Dana and Schlabachkchk finally give up on their lost cause of terrorizing the Arizona program.

Per my sources close to UofA. We are not looking at a post season ban.

Quote from: WILDcatAZfan on September 26, 2019, 01:51:03 PM
Per my sources close to UofA. We are not looking at a post season ban.

I think when the dust settles the NCAA WILL make the UofA an example...of how to cooperate and how that affects punitive actions towards the program...MIller and UofA have been nothing but fully cooperative in the last many years, even with the Trier fiasco, Miller refused to criticize the NCAA, unlike Kansas that is pushing back hard on actual evidence against the, unlike GT where the assistant actually lied to and tried to cover up the violations to the NCAA.

No post season ban, perhaps Miller gets slapped for lack of institutional control by being suspended for three games, MAYBE 1 scholly loss for 1 year...I think that will be the most action we will see...

And I am going to play Dick Vitale bingo starting with "travesty", "abomination", "cheater", etc...

When you think about it...it is in the NCAA's favor to go light on UofA since there is no other violation that meets the rules, what Book did (and immediately got fired for) MIGHT meet some standard of Lack of institutional control, but just barely...and there are no other infractions.

Nada. Just Book...who is going to jail...and what he is going to jail for is accepting bribes, not because he steered any players to agents, there is no proof that any players ever got there...

Book is the dumbest crook-coach in the history of the NCAA...he simply had a money/greed problem and was stupid to think he could get away with anything.

I just wonder if the investigation included Phelps' assistance with Shareef's eligibility issued. Couldn't imagine Arizona getting hit hour an in-depth look into UCLA's admissions...but it sounds like Dook is off the hook with Zion at the moment (despite evidence that his family tried to milk Kansas in exchange for a commitment.

Good to hear wild that's one of the most important  things to recruits  they wanna play in the tournament .

Dawkins gets 1 year in prison. Judge also says he lied.

https://twitter.com/pinepaula/status/1179867899235831808

Not surprised how much  not sure but we knew he lied.

https://twitter.com/AP_Top25/status/1180177324244946945

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28609696/fbi-informant-provide-more-info-ncaa-investigators-sentencing

"At least five Division I programs have received an NCAA notice of allegations related to the federal investigation into college basketball corruption: TCU, Kansas, NC State, Oklahoma State and USC. Sources previously told ESPN that Arizona, Auburn, Creighton, Louisville and LSU were also under scrutiny by NCAA investigators."

ESPN continues to lose credibility as they have to resort to referencing "previous sources/rumors".  Blazer was reportedly involved in payments with Pitt, Northwestern, Bama, UNC, Michigan, Notre Dame and Penn State...ALL schools that were rarely discussed by ESPN over the past 2-3 years.

Just end this thing already...

Louisville gets there NOA. They have 3 months to respond. Should be a minimum 1 year tourney ban, but could be more. Keep in mind Louisville is currently on probation.

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1257355565107425282

I hope the ncaa hurts up with our accusations  its hurting recruiting  let's go.

The NCAA can eat crap.

Just saw that the NCAA just responded to the Kansas rebuttal. https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1258093496734384128?s=20

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/29271617/oklahoma-state-given-1-year-ncaa-tournament-ban

Oklahoma State can kick off the "punishment festivities".  Book reportedly took less money than Evans...and he wasn't tied to two programs with allegations (South Carolina and OSU).  I'm still optimistic that Probation will be our only slap on the wrist.  Perhaps we'll find out soon...

Quote from: Little George on September 04, 2019, 06:07:14 AM
I think they just did not want the NCAA to see the lack of effort they put into it. I think it is funny that an FBI agent comes to you and lies about who he is and or his purpose to catch you in a lie and then prosecutes you for lying to him. Just a total sham organization anymore.

Michael Flynn would agree.

Quote from: Lutesguitar on September 13, 2019, 03:50:17 PM

Quote from: KansasCityCats on September 11, 2019, 08:14:39 AM
Yes, but regardless of video evidence, Gassnola admitted to his involvement in multiple bribery scandals.

Book was caught with $15K, which is nothing compared to the adidas deals that were discussed in the article.

Ridiculous that he won't serve hard time.

Tanya McDowell got 5 yrs for sending her son to the wrong school district & Kelley Williams-Bolar got 3 years $30k fine for sending her daughter to the wrong school district...Felicity Huffman gets 14 DAYS...

14 days...

Guess  Thomas "T.J." Gassnola's race...(He's NOT a POC)...

IF you doubt there is such a thing as white privilege you've never examined the court system and looked at the hard cold data.

Liberal white elite privilege more like it. Race is not the problem; Political affiliation and wealth is the reason she received a light sentence.

Quote from: PacSouthwest on June 06, 2020, 03:26:19 PM

Quote from: Little George on September 04, 2019, 06:07:14 AM
I think they just did not want the NCAA to see the lack of effort they put into it. I think it is funny that an FBI agent comes to you and lies about who he is and or his purpose to catch you in a lie and then prosecutes you for lying to him. Just a total sham organization anymore.

Michael Flynn would agree.

Bingo!

Wow, it's been 3 years and still nothing. What is the NCAA waiting for? Rip the band-aid off and get this over with.

https://twitter.com/GregStemen/status/1318918296423583745

NCAA is  waiting for a few days till our season starts  to drop the hammer so they can screw us in our season an even more in recruiting I am convinced this scandal  has cost Arizona  alot of players.

Wasn't it "months" ago that Dukie V claimed Arizona's time was coming within a matter of "two weeks"?  Their sources are still garbage.

Sounds like today is the day Arizona finds out its NOA.

https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/1319262907125927937

https://twitter.com/playersprogramu/status/1319464118147899394

Haha. Love the tweet back from PPU. Well played...

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/1696f5d5a5bebc74666278a2c265d810/tenor.gif)

https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1319390961932275713

For those wondering if the NOA was delivered yesterday, it may be a long time before we know.

The school does not need to immediately disclose or acknowledge a NOA. Per the NCAA's website, here is the process flow for an NOA. Each step can take up to 90, however extensions and appeals can be granted. We still have a long ways to go.

After the investigation and NOA has been served(step 1):

Step 2: Charging http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-charging (http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-charging)

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Step 3: Hearing http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-hearings (http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-hearings)

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Step 4: Penalties http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-penalties (http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-penalties)

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Quote from: Dani3l - (DT4) on October 23, 2020, 07:50:36 AM
For those wondering if the NOA was delivered yesterday, it may be a long time before we know.

The school does not need to immediately disclose or acknowledge a NOA. Per the NCAA's website, here is the process flow for an NOA. Each step can take up to 90, however extensions and appeals can be granted. We still have a long ways to go.

After the investigation and NOA has been served(step 1):

Step 2: Charging http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-charging (http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-charging)

(https://i.ibb.co/syRGK5g/step2-1.png) (https://ibb.co/syRGK5g)


Step 3: Hearing http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-hearings (http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-hearings)

(https://i.ibb.co/dk3Z8rh/step3-1.png) (https://ibb.co/dk3Z8rh)


Step 4: Penalties http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-penalties (http://www.ncaa.org/enforcement/enforcement-process-penalties)

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It's absurd these people get paid....

https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Article/Arizona-basketball-receives-Notice-of-Allegations-153459726/ (https://247sports.com/college/arizona/Article/Arizona-basketball-receives-Notice-of-Allegations-153459726/)

ABOR to meet Monday to review and discuss.

Quote from: Basketcats on October 23, 2020, 01:05:25 PM
ABOR to meet Monday to review and discuss.

I will see if I can get into that meeting

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/sean-miller-and-arizona-mens-basketball-avoid-major-penalties-from-ncaa-172128928.html

Have 2+ years really passed since any news came across regarding the "investigation"??  Glad this is finally done...

Locking this thread and throwing away the key.