Title says it all. But I will say more. Tommy cannot beat quality opponents that are chemistry laden teams in any form. It's not in his DNA.
Everyone from the Coach to the Players knew that Tommy was scared as soon as that early 19-5 lead evaporated, Tommy was shaking in his boots and didn't know what to do so he just stood there with his arms folded and hoped that Love would chuck us out of it. All that did was give FAU more belief. We never really led the game in any way that mattered after that lead was gone.
We took 85 Shots and 26 FTs to FAU's 72 Shots and 20 FT attempts. FAU Made 8 3's, We made 7 3's.
When a Box Score is that lopsided in our favor and we lose by 1, there is only 1 reason and that is Tommy was horrible. So while I thought Houston, Princeton, and Purdue were his worst coaching jobs. I have now upgraded this game to his worst coaching job Ever. There is absolutely no excuse. None. No one can make a valid argument that can disprove that this was Tommy's worst performance as a Head Coach ever.
Tommy is habitually outcoached when the chips are down. I'm not here to listen to the sheep say "Tommy has an elite W/L record". It doesn't matter. He is not HIM when the chips are down unfortunately. This loss may end up looking better than it is analytically when it's all said and done, but I believe this knocks us off the 1 Line for good when the time comes. Unless we run the table in Conference play or maybe lose 1 game on the road. I can't see it. The Pac12 is horrible and we just got slapped 3 games in a row. 2 Losses and 1 win only by virtue of Alabama choosing to lose the game throwing up 3 after 3 --- They could have grinded and beat us. National Eyes see that. Don't think they are blind.
Tommy is still wildly inexperienced and he is incapable of coaching when his first plan goes out the window. The effort of the players was non-existent today. Don't let Double OT fool you. I think Tommy lost this game early on, but ultimately sealed our fate by not calling a Timeout at the end of Regulation to step up a Game Winning play.
The more this team stands around hoping Caleb Love can chuck his way to winning games for us, the more games we are going to lose.
At the moment, Tommy has lost the locker room from my POV. He will not win the Pac12 the way he has been coaching. We have been bullied, battered, and outplayed the last 3 games. The team identity is shattered at the moment. Too many eyes are focused on getting this season over with and not actually playing to Win it all.
Quote from: arxpert on December 23, 2023, 04:35:13 PMTitle says it all. But I will say more. Tommy cannot beat quality opponents that are chemistry laden teams in any form. It's not in his DNA.
Everyone from the Coach to the Players knew that Tommy was scared as soon as that early 19-5 lead evaporated, Tommy was shaking in his boots and didn't know what to do so he just stood there with his arms folded and hoped that Love would chuck us out of it. All that did was give FAU more belief. We never really led the game in any way that mattered after that lead was gone.
We took 85 Shots and 26 FTs to FAU's 72 Shots and 20 FT attempts. FAU Made 8 3's, We made 7 3's.
When a Box Score is that lopsided in our favor and we lose by 1, there is only 1 reason and that is Tommy was horrible. So while I thought Houston, Princeton, and Purdue were his worst coaching jobs. I have now upgraded this game to his worst coaching job Ever. There is absolutely no excuse. None. No one can make a valid argument that can disprove that this was Tommy's worst performance as a Head Coach ever.
Tommy is habitually outcoached when the chips are down. I'm not here to listen to the sheep say "Tommy has an elite W/L record". It doesn't matter. He is not HIM when the chips are down unfortunately. This loss may end up looking better than it is analytically when it's all said and done, but I believe this knocks us off the 1 Line for good when the time comes. Unless we run the table in Conference play or maybe lose 1 game on the road. I can't see it. The Pac12 is horrible and we just got slapped 3 games in a row. 2 Losses and 1 win only by virtue of Alabama choosing to lose the game throwing up 3 after 3 --- They could have grinded and beat us. National Eyes see that. Don't think they are blind.
Tommy is still wildly inexperienced and he is incapable of coaching when his first plan goes out the window. The effort of the players was non-existent today. Don't let Double OT fool you. I think Tommy lost this game early on, but ultimately sealed our fate by not calling a Timeout at the end of Regulation to step up a Game Winning play.
The more this team stands around hoping Caleb Love can chuck his way to winning games for us, the more games we are going to lose.
At the moment, Tommy has lost the locker room from my POV. He will not win the Pac12 the way he has been coaching. We have been bullied, battered, and outplayed the last 3 games. The team identity is shattered at the moment. Too many eyes are focused on getting this season over with and not actually playing to Win it all.
You left out one little detail on the 'lopsided boxscore' Arizona shot only 28% - worst of the year - and that obviously attributes to the loss. I agree CTL should have had better plays at the end of reg and OT, but he wasn't the one tossing bricks
We shot shitty that's for sure and still lost by one, I'm just glad that the non development/no play calling Sean Miller didn't coach this game or else we would had been ran out of the gym. Lloyd screwed up at the end of regulation and in double overtime with a bad play call that's for sure but even when I guess "he is out coached" we still have a chance to win. Miller era we were always out coached and watched our players transfer and get better or go to the nba and become lethal shooters. Mathurin and Terry did not have a chance to get minutes under Miller and then when CTL took over they became first round draft picks due to the player development. Hell Koloko sucked under Miller too and he became a fringe first round pick in one year under CTL. Plus this schedule compared to Millers will have us ready for March too. It's night and day between the two but yes for sure things Lloyd needs to work as a coach during certain situations. It's the fight we have in us not to fold and keep fighting is what will carry us into March. KJ Lewis and Bradley need to get more time for sure. Years past with Miller we would not have hung in this game and it would have been a double digit defeat for sure. He has not lost the locker room at all, but he will have decisions to make when it comes to players not playing well and give others more time on the court. Competition creates toughness and the ones who don't step up find a sport on the bench.
Quote from: FOOS on December 23, 2023, 04:39:21 PMQuote from: arxpert on December 23, 2023, 04:35:13 PMTitle says it all. But I will say more. Tommy cannot beat quality opponents that are chemistry laden teams in any form. It's not in his DNA.
Everyone from the Coach to the Players knew that Tommy was scared as soon as that early 19-5 lead evaporated, Tommy was shaking in his boots and didn't know what to do so he just stood there with his arms folded and hoped that Love would chuck us out of it. All that did was give FAU more belief. We never really led the game in any way that mattered after that lead was gone.
We took 85 Shots and 26 FTs to FAU's 72 Shots and 20 FT attempts. FAU Made 8 3's, We made 7 3's.
When a Box Score is that lopsided in our favor and we lose by 1, there is only 1 reason and that is Tommy was horrible. So while I thought Houston, Princeton, and Purdue were his worst coaching jobs. I have now upgraded this game to his worst coaching job Ever. There is absolutely no excuse. None. No one can make a valid argument that can disprove that this was Tommy's worst performance as a Head Coach ever.
Tommy is habitually outcoached when the chips are down. I'm not here to listen to the sheep say "Tommy has an elite W/L record". It doesn't matter. He is not HIM when the chips are down unfortunately. This loss may end up looking better than it is analytically when it's all said and done, but I believe this knocks us off the 1 Line for good when the time comes. Unless we run the table in Conference play or maybe lose 1 game on the road. I can't see it. The Pac12 is horrible and we just got slapped 3 games in a row. 2 Losses and 1 win only by virtue of Alabama choosing to lose the game throwing up 3 after 3 --- They could have grinded and beat us. National Eyes see that. Don't think they are blind.
Tommy is still wildly inexperienced and he is incapable of coaching when his first plan goes out the window. The effort of the players was non-existent today. Don't let Double OT fool you. I think Tommy lost this game early on, but ultimately sealed our fate by not calling a Timeout at the end of Regulation to step up a Game Winning play.
The more this team stands around hoping Caleb Love can chuck his way to winning games for us, the more games we are going to lose.
At the moment, Tommy has lost the locker room from my POV. He will not win the Pac12 the way he has been coaching. We have been bullied, battered, and outplayed the last 3 games. The team identity is shattered at the moment. Too many eyes are focused on getting this season over with and not actually playing to Win it all.
You left out one little detail on the 'lopsided boxscore' Arizona shot only 28% - worst of the year - and that obviously attributes to the loss. I agree CTL should have had better plays at the end of reg and OT, but he wasn't the one tossing bricks
For the record FOOS (and to all) ---> This was the Short Version of my write up. I'm too crestfallen by Tommy to even dignify him with a write up on everything that happened. There are a lot of obvious things that transpired on the court that Tommy refused to even try to correct to take control of the game and play it on our terms instead of chasing FAU around letting them dictate everything.
PS - Some people let Tommy off the hook for the exact comment you just wrote FOOS --- while they buried Sean Miller for his failures in big games. How many times over the years have I posted in the cBox or Forum that "Players are on the court" in defense of Miller? Make or Miss, but Miller had his team's in positions to Win or Lose at the end of games.
Today, Tommy had us in multiple positions to Win the game and the players didn't pull through.
That's not the essence of my post, but it is a fact of the matter.
The essence of my post is that Tommy is cocky for absolutely no reason at all. He is being taken to school by opponents and he seems to not realize it.
Quote from: dab03 on December 23, 2023, 05:11:06 PMWe shot shitty that's for sure and still lost by one, I'm just glad that the non development/no play calling Sean Miller didn't coach this game or else we would had been ran out of the gym. Lloyd screwed up at the end of regulation and in double overtime with a bad play call that's for sure but even when I guess "he is out coached" we still have a chance to win. Miller era we were always out coached and watched our players transfer and get better or go to the nba and become lethal shooters. Mathurin and Terry did not have a chance to get minutes under Miller and then when CTL took over they became first round draft picks due to the player development. Hell Koloko sucked under Miller too and he became a fringe first round pick in one year under CTL. Plus this schedule compared to Millers will have us ready for March too. It's night and day between the two but yes for sure things Lloyd needs to work as a coach during certain situations. It's the fight we have in us not to fold and keep fighting is what will carry us into March. KJ Lewis and Bradley need to get more time for sure. Years past with Miller we would not have hung in this game and it would have been a double digit defeat for sure. He has not lost the locker room at all, but he will have decisions to make when it comes to players not playing well and give others more time on the court. Competition creates toughness and the ones who don't step up find a sport on the bench.
This post could only be made by a pure Troll with zero basketball knowledge. LOL. Whatever you need to feel better today I guess. That was a very sad attempt though.
I will agree and disagree.
Game day largely belongs to the players. Coaches own practices and preparation. In-game coaching is 1) coaching to the plan (especially if the players are failing to execute the game plan) and 2) make minor adjustments to matchups as necessary (foul trouble, injuries etc).
A great example of this is when Tommy went zone against Purdue. They scouted that and practiced that in detail before deploying it.
If a coach is significantly altering game plans mid-game, especially in this era of advanced analytics and more film than can be consumed - that's a failure of a coach to prepare.
An elite game day coach manages clock and possessions, not gameplans.
So, to that end - are you asserting Tommy and Co. fails to prepare his team to win these games?
I fully believe a reactive coach is a losing coach. A coach sets their players up for success. They rarely win games in game, but I've watched enough lose games for their players.
Quote from: LeftCoastCats on December 23, 2023, 06:36:20 PMI will agree and disagree.
Game day largely belongs to the players. Coaches own practices and preparation. In-game coaching is 1) coaching to the plan (especially if the players are failing to execute the game plan) and 2) make minor adjustments to matchups as necessary (foul trouble, injuries etc).
A great example of this is when Tommy went zone against Purdue. They scouted that and practiced that in detail before deploying it.
If a coach is significantly altering game plans mid-game, especially in this era of advanced analytics and more film than can be consumed - that's a failure of a coach to prepare.
An elite game day coach manages clock and possessions, not gameplans.
So, to that end - are you asserting Tommy and Co. fails to prepare his team to win these games?
I fully believe a reactive coach is a losing coach. A coach sets their players up for success. They rarely win games in game, but I've watched enough lose games for their players.
Tommy failed to prepare this team ever since the Wisconson win. The last 3 games were pure failures. Alabama lost, we didn't win. They chose to chuck 3s and not settle down when they had us reeling. In the past, Buffalo didn't stop hitting those 3's and eliminated Arizona. So again, I say that Bama lost. We didn't win.
Tommy has players doing things they are not great at in someways.
Tommy has players not doing things they are capable of being great at in many ways.
We aren't a big team. That is a myth. Tommy has ruined Krivas to the point he is paralyzed out there. Ballo is 6'9" and needs an oxygen tank again just like last year except he didn't even make it to New Years this time. No player has regressed more in the last 2 seasons.
Tommy has failed to draw up plays to the strengths of our players. He fails to coach based on what teams are giving us and keeps running into the brick walls they put up thinking we can run through them.
We basically play 5 guards and 1 small forward. We are actually at a major disadvantage because Tommy refuses to call plays that encourage our guards to get to the rim and get to the FT line. Our FT totals are decent because of Hack-A-Ballo. He paralyzes this team just being on the floor. Forcing Anderson to redshirt makes no sense if Henri isn't playing this season.
Just watch how Tommy becomes more and more telegraphed. This team went from sharing the ball well and tiring out opponents, to standing around confused on offense and just giving the ball to Love to hope he can chuck our way out of the hole.
For how many drive's + alley oop lob's I suffered through watching vs Purdue, we didn't even try one at all today. Especially with Goldin off the court. Very pathetic.
The real word is Scared.
Tommy is scared when he gets knocked off his pivot. Doesn't matter how often that is. I don't accept a Scared HC.
Quote from: arxpert on December 23, 2023, 07:18:31 PMFor how many drive's + alley oop lob's I suffered through watching vs Purdue, we didn't even try one at all today. Especially with Goldin off the court. Very pathetic.
Alley Oop game winner would have been my choice in that spot. Hell, anything involving Love driving to the hole and making a read. Possibly even get to the line with your most clutch FT shooter. Down 1, jacking a prayer shouldn't even be an option on the table.
Have you ever been in a locker room? Specifically Arizona's?
Lloyd is respected by the players and is one of the most humble d-1 coaches. He doesn't downplay opponents, talk trash or belittle players. He doesn't even cuss.
The guy knows what he's doing and HAS beaten quality opponents. Our OOC schedule was brutal and we only lost two games to teams that will likely make late March runs.
Quote from: KansasCityCats on December 23, 2023, 08:07:49 PMHave you ever been in a locker room? Specifically Arizona's?
Lloyd is respected by the players and is one of the most humble d-1 coaches. He doesn't downplay opponents, talk trash or belittle players. He doesn't even cuss.
The guy knows what he's doing and HAS beaten quality opponents. Our OOC schedule was brutal and we only lost two games to teams that will likely make late March runs.
You are taking this like I am a Tommy hater when in reality I am just not a Tommy apologist. You are coming off as an apologist. He's not perfect and no one expects him to be, but he also is very inexperienced and is being taken to the shed. Just because there are not Purdue's and FAU's in the Pac12 doesn't mean Tommy will plow the field. Or should that indicate to you, based on your analysis, that Tommy has no business losing another game?
I expect him to lose a few more games based on how this team is responding to whatever Kool Aid he is serving in that locker room. Maybe he will lose 0 to 2 games. Not 3 or more from here. But the way I view it is Tommy's wholesome behavior you describe is just him being complacent and cocky.
So Tommy scheduled a ridiculously tough out of conference slate because he's Scared? Think about what you're saying before you start bashing a coach who chose to play real teams early so his team can learn and develop. Nothing to be ashamed of in this loss, and will most definitely be a good learning experience for the cats this year. All that really matters is advancing in March. I can't judge this team until it's all over.
Arxpert , worst fan in history
Asspert is no expert at all he just pretends he coaches div 1 basketball. When in reality he is giving his expertise from his keyboard in the janitor closet.
Truth be told Lloyd is not scared he is the one that scheduled these games.
Also the sky is not falling we have only lost 2 games in the entire OOC schedule.
That's pretty damn good so
Back the A
Wholesome and cocky are polar opposites. Calipari, Pitino and Shaka Smart are cocky.
I'm only an apologist for Lloyd's flaws. Saying that he was blown out of games in 2OT or that he lost the locker room (without ever entering the locker room) is strictly finding an internet way of picking on a coach that is breaking NCAA records.
If you want to complain about his NCAA tournament losses or that Ballo should be pulled sooner in games for FT purposes, I get it. Otherwise, this is a well-oiled machine with potential to carry its success throughout the next 5 years (based on the stellar recruiting of our staff).
What an incredibly stupid post! Look no further than the person that posted it lmao
Quote from: Naterade on December 23, 2023, 09:23:30 PMSo Tommy scheduled a ridiculously tough out of conference slate because he's Scared? Think about what you're saying before you start bashing a coach who chose to play real teams early so his team can learn and develop. Nothing to be ashamed of in this loss, and will most definitely be a good learning experience for the cats this year. All that really matters is advancing in March. I can't judge this team until it's all over.
That is an apologist statement. A real man would schedule the entire OOC slate as ranked games by your logic. So maybe sit down and understand that being scared has nothing to do with his scheduling and everything to do with what happens once the ball is tipped and Tommy can't back up his "Edey/Purdue hasn't seen Arizona yet!" false bravado type comments in between games.
Tommy is the poster child for "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" right now.
Don't get your hopes up. These last 3 games have made this team worse. Love has become the Alpha of this team and it has been detrimental.
Quote from: lynxaz on December 23, 2023, 10:01:27 PMAsspert is no expert at all he just pretends he coaches div 1 basketball. When in reality he is giving his expertise from his keyboard in the janitor closet.
Truth be told Lloyd is not scared he is the one that scheduled these games.
Also the sky is not falling we have only lost 2 games in the entire OOC schedule.
That's pretty damn good so
Back the A
I will say it again so the slow ones can hear it.
This post has nothing to do with scheduling.
It has everything to do with Tommy getting punched in the mouth and not knowing how to respond.
"Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth".
I guarantee all of you were like YEAAAHHH every time Love saved the day yesterday after multiple misses that could have sealed the game.
A lot of you forgot what got Arizona to #1.
I really think that some people do not understand how much trash Tommy talks between games and how complacent he is throughout the games.
Maybe Tommy will go full Roy Williams deep squat and get this team to listen at some point, but right now, Tommy has been exposed.
He has a lot of work to do to regain the locker room.
Boswell has checked out and doesn't care about leading this team. He is the beta to Love now. Tommy needs to separate them for a while until they can understand how to coexist.
It is always interesting to see what we look like when we aren't hiding vs teams like Belmont. Barely scraped by Michigan State. That should have been the red flag.
I personally thought that we could get through this 4 game stretch with 3 wins, but even if we were destined to win 2 games, I did not expect this team to be in complete and utter shambles like this.
Tommy needs to reinvent this team. All this talk about scheduling....
He played about 1 game a week for the last 5 weeks or so. He had way too much time to put this piss poor of a product out on the court.
Quote from: arxpert on December 24, 2023, 11:47:38 AMQuote from: lynxaz on December 23, 2023, 10:01:27 PMAsspert is no expert at all he just pretends he coaches div 1 basketball. When in reality he is giving his expertise from his keyboard in the janitor closet.
Truth be told Lloyd is not scared he is the one that scheduled these games.
Also the sky is not falling we have only lost 2 games in the entire OOC schedule.
That's pretty damn good so
Back the A
I will say it again so the slow ones can hear it.
This post has nothing to do with scheduling.
It has everything to do with Tommy getting punched in the mouth and not knowing how to respond.
"Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth".
I guarantee all of you were like YEAAAHHH every time Love saved the day yesterday after multiple misses that could have sealed the game.
A lot of you forgot what got Arizona to #1.
So by your logic Tommy is scared of losing the lead and didn't know how to respond that makes no sense. If he was scared of losing he wouldn't have scheduled these teams in the first place. Your logic is nonsense. If you don't like Lloyd then easy fix go to another site and be a "fan"
He is the coach, not you. Yet you pretend like everything you say is the truth. You have no clue what is happening in the locker room but you make these assumptions go figure
Quote from: arxpert on December 23, 2023, 05:15:25 PMQuote from: FOOS on December 23, 2023, 04:39:21 PMQuote from: arxpert on December 23, 2023, 04:35:13 PMTitle says it all. But I will say more. Tommy cannot beat quality opponents that are chemistry laden teams in any form. It's not in his DNA.
Everyone from the Coach to the Players knew that Tommy was scared as soon as that early 19-5 lead evaporated, Tommy was shaking in his boots and didn't know what to do so he just stood there with his arms folded and hoped that Love would chuck us out of it. All that did was give FAU more belief. We never really led the game in any way that mattered after that lead was gone.
We took 85 Shots and 26 FTs to FAU's 72 Shots and 20 FT attempts. FAU Made 8 3's, We made 7 3's.
When a Box Score is that lopsided in our favor and we lose by 1, there is only 1 reason and that is Tommy was horrible. So while I thought Houston, Princeton, and Purdue were his worst coaching jobs. I have now upgraded this game to his worst coaching job Ever. There is absolutely no excuse. None. No one can make a valid argument that can disprove that this was Tommy's worst performance as a Head Coach ever.
Tommy is habitually outcoached when the chips are down. I'm not here to listen to the sheep say "Tommy has an elite W/L record". It doesn't matter. He is not HIM when the chips are down unfortunately. This loss may end up looking better than it is analytically when it's all said and done, but I believe this knocks us off the 1 Line for good when the time comes. Unless we run the table in Conference play or maybe lose 1 game on the road. I can't see it. The Pac12 is horrible and we just got slapped 3 games in a row. 2 Losses and 1 win only by virtue of Alabama choosing to lose the game throwing up 3 after 3 --- They could have grinded and beat us. National Eyes see that. Don't think they are blind.
Tommy is still wildly inexperienced and he is incapable of coaching when his first plan goes out the window. The effort of the players was non-existent today. Don't let Double OT fool you. I think Tommy lost this game early on, but ultimately sealed our fate by not calling a Timeout at the end of Regulation to step up a Game Winning play.
The more this team stands around hoping Caleb Love can chuck his way to winning games for us, the more games we are going to lose.
At the moment, Tommy has lost the locker room from my POV. He will not win the Pac12 the way he has been coaching. We have been bullied, battered, and outplayed the last 3 games. The team identity is shattered at the moment. Too many eyes are focused on getting this season over with and not actually playing to Win it all.
You left out one little detail on the 'lopsided boxscore' Arizona shot only 28% - worst of the year - and that obviously attributes to the loss. I agree CTL should have had better plays at the end of reg and OT, but he wasn't the one tossing bricks
For the record FOOS (and to all) ---> This was the Short Version of my write up. I'm too crestfallen by Tommy to even dignify him with a write up on everything that happened. There are a lot of obvious things that transpired on the court that Tommy refused to even try to correct to take control of the game and play it on our terms instead of chasing FAU around letting them dictate everything.
PS - Some people let Tommy off the hook for the exact comment you just wrote FOOS --- while they buried Sean Miller for his failures in big games. How many times over the years have I posted in the cBox or Forum that "Players are on the court" in defense of Miller? Make or Miss, but Miller had his team's in positions to Win or Lose at the end of games.
Today, Tommy had us in multiple positions to Win the game and the players didn't pull through.
That's not the essence of my post, but it is a fact of the matter.
The essence of my post is that Tommy is cocky for absolutely no reason at all. He is being taken to school by opponents and he seems to not realize it.
How is Tommy Cocky?
Quote from: lynxaz on December 24, 2023, 12:51:15 PMQuote from: arxpert on December 24, 2023, 11:47:38 AMQuote from: lynxaz on December 23, 2023, 10:01:27 PMAsspert is no expert at all he just pretends he coaches div 1 basketball. When in reality he is giving his expertise from his keyboard in the janitor closet.
Truth be told Lloyd is not scared he is the one that scheduled these games.
Also the sky is not falling we have only lost 2 games in the entire OOC schedule.
That's pretty damn good so
Back the A
I will say it again so the slow ones can hear it.
This post has nothing to do with scheduling.
It has everything to do with Tommy getting punched in the mouth and not knowing how to respond.
"Everyone has a plan until they are punched in the mouth".
I guarantee all of you were like YEAAAHHH every time Love saved the day yesterday after multiple misses that could have sealed the game.
A lot of you forgot what got Arizona to #1.
So by your logic Tommy is scared of losing the lead and didn't know how to respond that makes no sense. If he was scared of losing he wouldn't have scheduled these teams in the first place. Your logic is nonsense. If you don't like Lloyd then easy fix go to another site and be a "fan"
He is the coach, not you. Yet you pretend like everything you say is the truth. You have no clue what is happening in the locker room but you make these assumptions go figure
The burden of disproving me is on
you. Until then,
you are the one assuming. My comments are fact-based and that is due to observing the literal outcome.
You are still assuming I said Tommy is scared of losing games. I don't think Tommy cares at all about winning nor losing as long as his check clears.
All I actually said is Tommy is scared of his opponents once they hit the court. You can stay entertained by the scheduling all you want, but Tommy is in fact scared when he is coaching in-game when his stubborn, unadaptable, and cocky plan doesn't work. He talks far too much trash in between games to be getting a whooping 3 games in a row. Not all whoopings are losses. Bama whooped him good. Just because they chose to flame out chucking 3's when they could have shifted to a more methodical brand of basketball doesn't mean they didn't whoop Tommy.
Tommy is going to have a rude awakening in the Big12 unless he makes a concerted effort to learn how to handle in-game adversity and learn how to use the white board to draw up plays.
Quote from: TooStonedCat on December 26, 2023, 01:01:56 PMQuote from: arxpert on December 23, 2023, 05:15:25 PMQuote from: FOOS on December 23, 2023, 04:39:21 PMQuote from: arxpert on December 23, 2023, 04:35:13 PMTitle says it all. But I will say more. Tommy cannot beat quality opponents that are chemistry laden teams in any form. It's not in his DNA.
Everyone from the Coach to the Players knew that Tommy was scared as soon as that early 19-5 lead evaporated, Tommy was shaking in his boots and didn't know what to do so he just stood there with his arms folded and hoped that Love would chuck us out of it. All that did was give FAU more belief. We never really led the game in any way that mattered after that lead was gone.
We took 85 Shots and 26 FTs to FAU's 72 Shots and 20 FT attempts. FAU Made 8 3's, We made 7 3's.
When a Box Score is that lopsided in our favor and we lose by 1, there is only 1 reason and that is Tommy was horrible. So while I thought Houston, Princeton, and Purdue were his worst coaching jobs. I have now upgraded this game to his worst coaching job Ever. There is absolutely no excuse. None. No one can make a valid argument that can disprove that this was Tommy's worst performance as a Head Coach ever.
Tommy is habitually outcoached when the chips are down. I'm not here to listen to the sheep say "Tommy has an elite W/L record". It doesn't matter. He is not HIM when the chips are down unfortunately. This loss may end up looking better than it is analytically when it's all said and done, but I believe this knocks us off the 1 Line for good when the time comes. Unless we run the table in Conference play or maybe lose 1 game on the road. I can't see it. The Pac12 is horrible and we just got slapped 3 games in a row. 2 Losses and 1 win only by virtue of Alabama choosing to lose the game throwing up 3 after 3 --- They could have grinded and beat us. National Eyes see that. Don't think they are blind.
Tommy is still wildly inexperienced and he is incapable of coaching when his first plan goes out the window. The effort of the players was non-existent today. Don't let Double OT fool you. I think Tommy lost this game early on, but ultimately sealed our fate by not calling a Timeout at the end of Regulation to step up a Game Winning play.
The more this team stands around hoping Caleb Love can chuck his way to winning games for us, the more games we are going to lose.
At the moment, Tommy has lost the locker room from my POV. He will not win the Pac12 the way he has been coaching. We have been bullied, battered, and outplayed the last 3 games. The team identity is shattered at the moment. Too many eyes are focused on getting this season over with and not actually playing to Win it all.
You left out one little detail on the 'lopsided boxscore' Arizona shot only 28% - worst of the year - and that obviously attributes to the loss. I agree CTL should have had better plays at the end of reg and OT, but he wasn't the one tossing bricks
For the record FOOS (and to all) ---> This was the Short Version of my write up. I'm too crestfallen by Tommy to even dignify him with a write up on everything that happened. There are a lot of obvious things that transpired on the court that Tommy refused to even try to correct to take control of the game and play it on our terms instead of chasing FAU around letting them dictate everything.
PS - Some people let Tommy off the hook for the exact comment you just wrote FOOS --- while they buried Sean Miller for his failures in big games. How many times over the years have I posted in the cBox or Forum that "Players are on the court" in defense of Miller? Make or Miss, but Miller had his team's in positions to Win or Lose at the end of games.
Today, Tommy had us in multiple positions to Win the game and the players didn't pull through.
That's not the essence of my post, but it is a fact of the matter.
The essence of my post is that Tommy is cocky for absolutely no reason at all. He is being taken to school by opponents and he seems to not realize it.
How is Tommy Cocky?
Hmm let's just give 1 example and move on -
PuRdUe HaSn'T SeEn ArIzOnAaAaAaAaA
Famous last words from a cocky coach who got his ass kicked.
Quote from: FOOS on December 23, 2023, 04:39:21 PMQuote from: arxpert on December 23, 2023, 04:35:13 PMTitle says it all. But I will say more. Tommy cannot beat quality opponents that are chemistry laden teams in any form. It's not in his DNA.
Everyone from the Coach to the Players knew that Tommy was scared as soon as that early 19-5 lead evaporated, Tommy was shaking in his boots and didn't know what to do so he just stood there with his arms folded and hoped that Love would chuck us out of it. All that did was give FAU more belief. We never really led the game in any way that mattered after that lead was gone.
We took 85 Shots and 26 FTs to FAU's 72 Shots and 20 FT attempts. FAU Made 8 3's, We made 7 3's.
When a Box Score is that lopsided in our favor and we lose by 1, there is only 1 reason and that is Tommy was horrible. So while I thought Houston, Princeton, and Purdue were his worst coaching jobs. I have now upgraded this game to his worst coaching job Ever. There is absolutely no excuse. None. No one can make a valid argument that can disprove that this was Tommy's worst performance as a Head Coach ever.
Tommy is habitually outcoached when the chips are down. I'm not here to listen to the sheep say "Tommy has an elite W/L record". It doesn't matter. He is not HIM when the chips are down unfortunately. This loss may end up looking better than it is analytically when it's all said and done, but I believe this knocks us off the 1 Line for good when the time comes. Unless we run the table in Conference play or maybe lose 1 game on the road. I can't see it. The Pac12 is horrible and we just got slapped 3 games in a row. 2 Losses and 1 win only by virtue of Alabama choosing to lose the game throwing up 3 after 3 --- They could have grinded and beat us. National Eyes see that. Don't think they are blind.
Tommy is still wildly inexperienced and he is incapable of coaching when his first plan goes out the window. The effort of the players was non-existent today. Don't let Double OT fool you. I think Tommy lost this game early on, but ultimately sealed our fate by not calling a Timeout at the end of Regulation to step up a Game Winning play.
The more this team stands around hoping Caleb Love can chuck his way to winning games for us, the more games we are going to lose.
At the moment, Tommy has lost the locker room from my POV. He will not win the Pac12 the way he has been coaching. We have been bullied, battered, and outplayed the last 3 games. The team identity is shattered at the moment. Too many eyes are focused on getting this season over with and not actually playing to Win it all.
You left out one little detail on the 'lopsided boxscore' Arizona shot only 28% - worst of the year - and that obviously attributes to the loss. I agree CTL should have had better plays at the end of reg and OT, but he wasn't the one tossing bricks
28% in what? 3's? We made 7 3s. 7-25. FAU made a whopping 8 3's. 8-24 or 33%
We made 33 shots, 33-85 FG
they made 36 shots, 36-72 FG
We made 22-26 FTs
They made 16-20 FTs
This was the worst loss Tommy has ever suffered from a box score standpoint. This is a 20pt win for a coach who isn't afraid of his opponent during the game to the point of complete and utter play calling paralysis.
The players did what they did without a plan, without a coach. They were better players than FAU, but they were not coached to be a better team. One would think after Tommy called the prior worst game of his career against Purdue to feature 30 Alley Oop's to Ballo that he would at least have called to attempt 1 vs FAU. Especially with Goldin off the floor. You're telling me the kid who won the game for FAU on the Free Throw, the 55% FT Shooter couldn't have been tested more throughout the game at the Line the way every team Hack-A-Ballo's? Tommy is that paralyzed that he couldn't draw up enough double teams on Johnell to force the ball to that kid instead then hack him? That is called Coaching. Tommy doesn't do it. He is too cocky and gets served.
Too bad Ballo is the most Regressed player since last year's Maui Jim in the entire Nation.
It would make a lot of sense if this team all had the Flu because everyone looked gassed out after 10 minutes and physically unable to compete.
So saying that "Tommy doesn't care if he wins, as long as his check clears" is "fact-based"? Can you reference your sources? That doesn't sound like Lloyd...
Quote from: KansasCityCats on December 26, 2023, 07:17:26 PMSo saying that "Tommy doesn't care if he wins, as long as his check clears" is "fact-based"? Can you reference your sources? That doesn't sound like Lloyd...
What is more fact based - you saying that doesn't sound like Tommy or me saying that the man is going to do his job win or lose as long as that check clears.
It doesn't take a college degree to know the answer.
The answer is that neither of us spend time in the locker room so neither opinion deserves credibility as a "fact".
If you followed a significant amount of his press conferences, you'd never call Lloyd cocky. He treats the media, alumni and players with respect, while still maintaining an aggressive mindset to win.
What a dumb post
Quote from: KansasCityCats on December 27, 2023, 05:59:56 AMThe answer is that neither of us spend time in the locker room so neither opinion deserves credibility as a "fact".
If you followed a significant amount of his press conferences, you'd never call Lloyd cocky. He treats the media, alumni and players with respect, while still maintaining an aggressive mindset to win.
He is cocky and he has had his teeth stomped in 3 games in a row. Just because we won one of the games due to Bama choosing to lose doesn't mean Tommy didn't get stuffed in a locker.
Trying to justify a 13 point win as "getting stomped" still doesn't explain how a coach is cocky.
Quote from: arxpert on December 26, 2023, 01:49:00 PMQuote from: TooStonedCat on December 26, 2023, 01:01:56 PMQuote from: arxpert on December 23, 2023, 05:15:25 PMQuote from: FOOS on December 23, 2023, 04:39:21 PMQuote from: arxpert on December 23, 2023, 04:35:13 PMTitle says it all. But I will say more. Tommy cannot beat quality opponents that are chemistry laden teams in any form. It's not in his DNA.
Everyone from the Coach to the Players knew that Tommy was scared as soon as that early 19-5 lead evaporated, Tommy was shaking in his boots and didn't know what to do so he just stood there with his arms folded and hoped that Love would chuck us out of it. All that did was give FAU more belief. We never really led the game in any way that mattered after that lead was gone.
We took 85 Shots and 26 FTs to FAU's 72 Shots and 20 FT attempts. FAU Made 8 3's, We made 7 3's.
When a Box Score is that lopsided in our favor and we lose by 1, there is only 1 reason and that is Tommy was horrible. So while I thought Houston, Princeton, and Purdue were his worst coaching jobs. I have now upgraded this game to his worst coaching job Ever. There is absolutely no excuse. None. No one can make a valid argument that can disprove that this was Tommy's worst performance as a Head Coach ever.
Tommy is habitually outcoached when the chips are down. I'm not here to listen to the sheep say "Tommy has an elite W/L record". It doesn't matter. He is not HIM when the chips are down unfortunately. This loss may end up looking better than it is analytically when it's all said and done, but I believe this knocks us off the 1 Line for good when the time comes. Unless we run the table in Conference play or maybe lose 1 game on the road. I can't see it. The Pac12 is horrible and we just got slapped 3 games in a row. 2 Losses and 1 win only by virtue of Alabama choosing to lose the game throwing up 3 after 3 --- They could have grinded and beat us. National Eyes see that. Don't think they are blind.
Tommy is still wildly inexperienced and he is incapable of coaching when his first plan goes out the window. The effort of the players was non-existent today. Don't let Double OT fool you. I think Tommy lost this game early on, but ultimately sealed our fate by not calling a Timeout at the end of Regulation to step up a Game Winning play.
The more this team stands around hoping Caleb Love can chuck his way to winning games for us, the more games we are going to lose.
At the moment, Tommy has lost the locker room from my POV. He will not win the Pac12 the way he has been coaching. We have been bullied, battered, and outplayed the last 3 games. The team identity is shattered at the moment. Too many eyes are focused on getting this season over with and not actually playing to Win it all.
You left out one little detail on the 'lopsided boxscore' Arizona shot only 28% - worst of the year - and that obviously attributes to the loss. I agree CTL should have had better plays at the end of reg and OT, but he wasn't the one tossing bricks
For the record FOOS (and to all) ---> This was the Short Version of my write up. I'm too crestfallen by Tommy to even dignify him with a write up on everything that happened. There are a lot of obvious things that transpired on the court that Tommy refused to even try to correct to take control of the game and play it on our terms instead of chasing FAU around letting them dictate everything.
PS - Some people let Tommy off the hook for the exact comment you just wrote FOOS --- while they buried Sean Miller for his failures in big games. How many times over the years have I posted in the cBox or Forum that "Players are on the court" in defense of Miller? Make or Miss, but Miller had his team's in positions to Win or Lose at the end of games.
Today, Tommy had us in multiple positions to Win the game and the players didn't pull through.
That's not the essence of my post, but it is a fact of the matter.
The essence of my post is that Tommy is cocky for absolutely no reason at all. He is being taken to school by opponents and he seems to not realize it.
How is Tommy Cocky?
Hmm let's just give 1 example and move on -
PuRdUe HaSn'T SeEn ArIzOnAaAaAaAaA
Famous last words from a cocky coach who got his ass kicked.
Ass kicked by 1 point in double OT..lol..Okay Expert