Arizona men's 🏀 ranks #4 in latest AP top 25 poll!

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They did Purdue dirty. Better record than Houston while playing a far more difficult schedule. The math ain't mathing.

KansasCityCats

Agreed. They beat us head-to-head and I guarantee that if we sweep the Washington schools (and Purdue drops one), they'd slide us up, despite having more losses.

arxpert

Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 19, 2024, 01:48:46 PMAgreed. They beat us head-to-head and I guarantee that if we sweep the Washington schools (and Purdue drops one), they'd slide us up, despite having more losses.

Purdue is beatable. Just not by us. Terrible matchup. Tommy would have to use a completely different strategy and hope that Purdue doesn't also adjust AS WELL AS misses their shots.

Rankings are fine. The media wanted Houston vs Iowa St to be a Top 5 showdown, but couldn't justify it. This is how they manipulate the rankings during the regular season. The brackets usually stay true.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to place Arizona on the 2 line in the West. The 1 line, for us specifically, would likely be pure slaughter with the best 8's and 9s and 4's and 5's. I'd rather take the 2 Seed respect than the 1 seed Dump.

Naterade

We lost to Purdue because we couldn't guard the two white boys. If play them again we will smack them down because of the way that KJ and Jaden are playing defensively. Has nothing to do with anything else but those guys getting red hot. Won't happen again.

arxpert

Quote from: Naterade on February 19, 2024, 07:29:12 PMWe lost to Purdue because we couldn't guard the two white boys. If play them again we will smack them down because of the way that KJ and Jaden are playing defensively. Has nothing to do with anything else but those guys getting red hot. Won't happen again.

You may be over estimating Tommy's willingness to bench Boswell who was clearly in over his head in that matchup and all season.

I personally hope Bradley gets the keys the rest of the season. Bradley and Love in tandem are difficult to deal with on both sides of the ball. Boswell makes it easy for opponents.

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Quote from: arxpert on February 19, 2024, 06:55:10 PM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 19, 2024, 01:48:46 PMAgreed. They beat us head-to-head and I guarantee that if we sweep the Washington schools (and Purdue drops one), they'd slide us up, despite having more losses.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to place Arizona on the 2 line in the West. The 1 line, for us specifically, would likely be pure slaughter with the best 8's and 9s and 4's and 5's. I'd rather take the 2 Seed respect than the 1 seed Dump.
With as much parity in college basketball as has been in as long as I can remember, do you think it would REALLY make much of a difference where Arizona is slotted in the bracket?
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arxpert

Quote from: mvpreed2 on February 20, 2024, 03:34:18 PM
Quote from: arxpert on February 19, 2024, 06:55:10 PM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 19, 2024, 01:48:46 PMAgreed. They beat us head-to-head and I guarantee that if we sweep the Washington schools (and Purdue drops one), they'd slide us up, despite having more losses.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to place Arizona on the 2 line in the West. The 1 line, for us specifically, would likely be pure slaughter with the best 8's and 9s and 4's and 5's. I'd rather take the 2 Seed respect than the 1 seed Dump.
With as much parity in college basketball as has been in as long as I can remember, do you think it would REALLY make much of a difference where Arizona is slotted in the bracket?
#BearDown

A Quick point of reasoning - There is a semblance of "Top 1 Seed, Top 2 Seed". There is a "Worst 1 seed, Worst 2 seed" You don't want to be the worst. That is a 1 way ticket to a bracket of death. That is not to say getting stuck with "blue bloods". There is no such thing anymore. It is more about the disrespect that comes from a situation like being a 1 seed in a Bracket with a 5 seed Houston when the Sweet 16 is in the backyard of Houston basically. Stuff like that. You want to take every matchup seriously, but you also don't want to be snaked by bs like that too.

So I would say Yes, but I can't in good faith truly believe myself because Tommy is so piss poor when it comes to March Madness. He would have to prove to me that he can navigate the rigors of the Committee's commitment to trying to make the worst matchups possible for the best teams.

I think the 1 and 2 seeds have really changed over the last couple of decades. It used to be cakewalks to the Sweet 16, now we are seeing 1s losing to 16s based on style of play. More 2s losing to 15s than ever over the last decade probably again, style of play.

Don't get it twisted, there is absolutely no excuse to lose, but the way the brackets are designed, the games are as close to 50-50 as possible after the 3 seed. More than people think. Hence why 4s and 5s are attractive to choose as being upset by 12s and 13s.

mvpreed2

Quote from: arxpert on February 21, 2024, 09:39:40 PM
Quote from: mvpreed2 on February 20, 2024, 03:34:18 PM
Quote from: arxpert on February 19, 2024, 06:55:10 PM
Quote from: KansasCityCats on February 19, 2024, 01:48:46 PMAgreed. They beat us head-to-head and I guarantee that if we sweep the Washington schools (and Purdue drops one), they'd slide us up, despite having more losses.
I think it is perfectly reasonable to place Arizona on the 2 line in the West. The 1 line, for us specifically, would likely be pure slaughter with the best 8's and 9s and 4's and 5's. I'd rather take the 2 Seed respect than the 1 seed Dump.
With as much parity in college basketball as has been in as long as I can remember, do you think it would REALLY make much of a difference where Arizona is slotted in the bracket?
#BearDown

A Quick point of reasoning - There is a semblance of "Top 1 Seed, Top 2 Seed". There is a "Worst 1 seed, Worst 2 seed" You don't want to be the worst. That is a 1 way ticket to a bracket of death. That is not to say getting stuck with "blue bloods". There is no such thing anymore. It is more about the disrespect that comes from a situation like being a 1 seed in a Bracket with a 5 seed Houston when the Sweet 16 is in the backyard of Houston basically. Stuff like that. You want to take every matchup seriously, but you also don't want to be snaked by bs like that too.

So I would say Yes, but I can't in good faith truly believe myself because Tommy is so piss poor when it comes to March Madness. He would have to prove to me that he can navigate the rigors of the Committee's commitment to trying to make the worst matchups possible for the best teams.

I think the 1 and 2 seeds have really changed over the last couple of decades. It used to be cakewalks to the Sweet 16, now we are seeing 1s losing to 16s based on style of play. More 2s losing to 15s than ever over the last decade probably again, style of play.

Don't get it twisted, there is absolutely no excuse to lose, but the way the brackets are designed, the games are as close to 50-50 as possible after the 3 seed. More than people think. Hence why 4s and 5s are attractive to choose as being upset by 12s and 13s.
Points made, and I guess we will have to wait and see what Lloyd is able to do in the tourney because it is clear there will not be much adjustments being made during PAC play with Arizona being the clear better team over the field.
The crazy part is I would still take the field in the PAC-12 tournament because of how Lloyd does not sub in the right pieces whenever the team goes into a slump.
That narrative of "letting the players play through it" only works when your players are smart enough to figure out how to fix with the RIGHT players on the floor.
I believe we are saying the same thing though..
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