Pac 12 predictions 2019-2020

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Quote from: Liquidated on March 26, 2019, 11:04:59 AM

Also - Enfield is fine coach - hell of a lot better than Miller. He has built talent steadily up from nothing and had a rash of injuries and weird off court situations with players that has hampered him. Porter this past year was great example. Boatwright had a lot of ups and downs injury wise...the kid who jumped out second story window...

Seriously the dumbest thing I've read all day... That's saying a lot considering Michael Avenatti was tweeting all day.

Guess you don't mind that USC had the same number of assistant coaches plead guilty....Only Miller is the evil corrupt one, everyone else just experiences "weird off court situations". Let's also just ignore Miller's win percentage compared to Enfield... or Conference Championships ... or conference tournament championships ... let's just ignore all empirical evidence and accept that Enfield is a "hell of a lot better than Miller".

2020champs

Washington likely returns the pac 12 poy, 1 top 10 recruit with a chance at one more in jaden mcdaniels and quade green will be eligible for at least half the year, also Enfrield > Miller, really? I know you don't like Miller but REALLY Enfield > Miller...

Liquidated

Quote from: Kasey on March 26, 2019, 01:10:57 PM
Washington likely returns the pac 12 poy, 1 top 10 recruit with a chance at one more in jaden mcdaniels and quade green will be eligible for at least half the year, also Enfrield > Miller, really? I know you don't like Miller but REALLY Enfield > Miller...

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How bad do we have to loose to coach before you can respect him?  We won both games the year before, but that was at Mckale with a hampered Boatwright and without Boatwright at all in the tourney.

Enfield presses, plays zone and M2M...by definition that makes him better coach.

If Enfield, Hurley, Tinkle, Krystkoviac, Hopkins or Boyle could consistently land the one and dones that Miller has had, they would have all had much better records and gotten further in the tourney. They are all better coaches. Altman doesn't even need the recruiting.. he consistently beats Miller with second rate recruits.

If WSU, UCLA and CAL hire good coaches, Miller will be the 9th or 10th best in the conference and will remain so until he learns to play a variety of defenses and his offense starts to embrace some advanced analytic principals and he learns to play a few different presses, and learns how to match in game coaching to individual talents and he becomes less predictable, and, and, and...

"How does this guy still have his job?! That makes no sense...the world is getting nuked around him and Sean Miller is still there..."  - Mark Titus

mvpreed2

Quote from: Liquidated on March 26, 2019, 11:04:59 AM
I am puzzled by the love for Washington.

They lose their three best players - all conference player of the player of the  year in the PAC12. Plus they loose their 6th man and Hopkins plays a 7 man rotation...

They return 3 players with any real experience... Their class is ranked #22 its basically 2 scholarship players and a transfer from Kentucky (not sure he is eligible).

They will not be experienced or deep.
Green was a 5* prospect coming out of HS and played two years for Kentucky.
Stewart is also a 5* prospect coming into UW.

So Hopkins is essentially adding two 5* prospects to his roster next season.
It's not always about quantity when you are projected to have quality.
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2020champs

Quote from: Liquidated on March 26, 2019, 02:08:14 PM
Quote from: Kasey on March 26, 2019, 01:10:57 PM
Washington likely returns the pac 12 poy, 1 top 10 recruit with a chance at one more in jaden mcdaniels and quade green will be eligible for at least half the year, also Enfrield > Miller, really? I know you don't like Miller but REALLY Enfield > Miller...

USC 80 AZ 57
USC 78 AZ 65

How bad do we have to loose to coach before you can respect him?  We won both games the year before, but that was at Mckale with a hampered Boatwright and without Boatwright at all in the tourney.

Enfield presses, plays zone and M2M...by definition that makes him better coach.

If Enfield, Hurley, Tinkle, Krystkoviac, Hopkins or Boyle could consistently land the one and dones that Miller has had, they would have all had much better records and gotten further in the tourney. They are all better coaches. Altman doesn't even need the recruiting.. he consistently beats Miller with second rate recruits.

If WSU, UCLA and CAL hire good coaches, Miller will be the 9th or 10th best in the conference and will remain so until he learns to play a variety of defenses and his offense starts to embrace some advanced analytic principals and he learns to play a few different presses, and learns how to match in game coaching to individual talents and he becomes less predictable, and, and, and...

I could respond to this with facts that disprove a lot of what you're saying but you're so close minded and bias that obviously there's no hope to convince you of any other opinion. So sure Miller sucks, pac line defense sucks, our offense sucks and he should be fired because final fours are all that matter (and nick johnson definitely pushed off.) Oh and great point, I agree that Tad F-ing Boyle and Andy Enfield could make the elite 8 with derrick williams (nba bust, 3-4 star recruit) and freshman solomon hill (nba trash, 4 star recruit) along with LAMONT JONES AND KYLE FOGG.

KansasCityCats

"By definition", you're a better coach if you run zone and man-to-man?

Ernie Kent ran a variety of defensive schemes. Was he better than Bennett when comparing both tenures at Wazzu?

Hell, I know a few local high school coaches with losing records that run zone defenses. Perhaps they should take over for Miller :)

Little George

Totally depends on the talent the team has as a whole. Last year we should have run zone with the size we had. We did not. This year we should have run zone because of our lack of size. There is no one cut answer for anything. Switching can sometime confuse an opponent enough to stop a run or start one for yourself. When a coach denies that he limits himself and his teams potential outcome. Coaches have to either have players to do what they want to do or adjust to the talent they have.

talj1@juno.com

what worries me about next year is no returning player strikes fear.  Williams will be good but I don't see him being a real high volume go to player.  Sure we have the number one recruiting class but no one as sure as Ayton.  When you bet on freshmen it is always a crap shoot.  We could be average or we could be really good.  Just depends on how good the freshmen really are.  And in Millers system Freshmen are rarely good on Defense.  Are any of our freshmen even known to be great defenders?  Worriesome

ichi

Quote from: Liquidated on March 26, 2019, 02:08:14 PM

USC 80 AZ 57
USC 78 AZ 65

How bad do we have to loose to coach before you can respect him?  We won both games the year before, but that was at Mckale with a hampered Boatwright and without Boatwright at all in the tourney.

Enfield presses, plays zone and M2M...by definition that makes him better coach.

If Enfield, Hurley, Tinkle, Krystkoviac, Hopkins or Boyle could consistently land the one and dones that Miller has had, they would have all had much better records and gotten further in the tourney. They are all better coaches. Altman doesn't even need the recruiting.. he consistently beats Miller with second rate recruits.

If WSU, UCLA and CAL hire good coaches, Miller will be the 9th or 10th best in the conference and will remain so until he learns to play a variety of defenses and his offense starts to embrace some advanced analytic principals and he learns to play a few different presses, and learns how to match in game coaching to individual talents and he becomes less predictable, and, and, and...



"Firing Sean Miller was just the spark this team needed." - CactusCat

mvpreed2

Quote from: Little George on March 27, 2019, 08:16:28 AM
Totally depends on the talent the team has as a whole. Last year we should have run zone with the size we had. We did not. This year we should have run zone because of our lack of size. There is no one cut answer for anything. Switching can sometime confuse an opponent enough to stop a run or start one for yourself. When a coach denies that he limits himself and his teams potential outcome. Coaches have to either have players to do what they want to do or adjust to the talent they have.
This has been my biggest gripe with not only Miller, but coaches coaches in general.
If we played more of an uptempo style on offense, clogged the paint on defense, we finish in the top half of the PAC-12 and maybe had a puncher's chance at the NCAA Tournament.

Miller has to be able to modify our schemes to maximize our talent.
All of the great coaches in college basketball do it, but he refuses to completely go with what would be better suited for the team.
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