Will Lloyd continue to let Love chuck up bad 3's?

[WILD]

https://x.com/BearDownU/status/1862308945718911371?t=AmYxnOGk4Yeszzp1NxyB_Q&s=19

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I don't think Caleb would be jacking all these threes unless Tom was totally fine with it, which one can only assume he is totally fine with it. Can't bench a guy for doing something you're totally fine with.

[arxpert]

I am beginning to go back to my original thought about Tommy Lloyd from his inception at Arizona.

He is not fit to be a Head Coach at this level.

Before you foam at the mouth, just look at the facts.

Once he lost Sean Miller's NBA players, he has just progressively fallen off harder and harder, earlier in the season each year.

We are now at an inflection point where he is actually turning Arizona into a real Mid Major.

Thoroughly outcoached, outsmarted, out toughed, and even making poor recruiting decisions.

He played our 2 Mid Major transfers heavily over these 2 games. Yes it worked vs Davidson as it should work when you have 2 of last season's best Mid Major players in the nation, but now we faced a decent Power 5 program and got decimated.

I don't care what the scoreboard said. This team never had the lead today. This game was never actually close even if it was numerically within grasp or even down to a possession. This team made multiple runs in spite of how Tommy was coaching, not due to how Tommy was coaching in order to cut it to a respectable deficit. We even got within 3 with multiple attempts available to go tie it or close the gap to 1. Never happened.

In fact, Love was the only one who had a good game. He, acting alone and rogue, decided that he had to go for it for this team to even be in the game at all. If Love was "off", then we lose this game by 20, maybe even 30 without any chance at all. There is nothing special about that Oklahoma team. This has everything to do with Arizona not being what they think they are, what we think they should be.

Tommy took Awaka off the court AGAIN just like Duke because he got scared again that Oklahoma was using 6'11 240lb players. No one was in foul trouble. Go look at the box score. Show me where we were overmatched? Instead of trusting that Awaka can play bigger than his actual size and outwork anyone, he just simply won't play Awaka. He didn't play Henri at all... is he hurt? Sick? Someone let me know. Then Carter had to sit there and watch for all but 8 minutes when he possessed the length to close out on the perimeter. Tommy begged Oklahoma to take a bunch of 3's and put the worst possible players for perimeter defense on the floor. What did you expect to happen?

Oklahoma had 2 players who shot the ball in volume. We had 1. Then what? Just a 1-7 game from KJ Lewis? Listen up. KJ Lewis is all the Heart and Grit in the world, but he is not a shooter. He doesn't ever need 7 shots in a game unless they are dunks or layups. So another strategy developing??? Make KJ shoot the ball if he is out there. That's something Tommy should see. Rather than challenge KJ to prove them all wrong, get a Shooter on the floor. Carter obviously got the cane (the yank) off stage for missing 3 shots. Bullshit. That is piss poor coaching.

What do you expect? Krivas is incapable of playing more than around 20 minutes. He is a gigantic ogre. If it isn't served up on a silver platter he is incapable of affecting the game.

Tony Del Orso may have had a decent game for himself, but what about for the team? He played above his weight class and was again a defensive liability. Townsend just can't play his game / style in this system. I actually like Townsend a lot. I think he is supremely talented at the College Level and he is the perfect Tournament style player in terms of a Matchup problem, but what a big mistake it was to recruit him to come here if it ended up costing us continuity and Tommy won't run the offense through him. It is just a big mess that didn't need to happen.

We are getting dangerously close to needing to start Conrad at PG if it means someone who can effectively run a system offense, find open players, and take/make an open shot here and there. Someone who can actually break down the defense with the intention to make the high IQ pass knowing that the opponent knows what he is going to do, but they still can't stop it.

I am very very VERY close to asking the Boosters to start pooling money to break the contract with Tommy Lloyd. I don't really care about his "story" or how great his track record WAS. He is already long in the tooth at recruiting. I don't care who he secured for the future so far. He is losing players faster than he brings them in at this point mostly to transferring. Maybe those players weren't all great, but the fact of the matter is some members here think they Needed to sit for a year to learn then they would get better and come in to help. That is not the landscape of College Basketball anymore.

Beyond that, be honest. If Tommy is bringing in these guys to train and develop them, then why is he recruiting over top of them? Does he actually think that these players will sit on that bench and do nothing except practice all year only to accept being spit in their face by Tommy bringing in some transfers that play their position?

Garbage.

We are talking about right here, right now. This is not acceptable at all. It isn't about losing in the Bahamas. It is about his absolute ineptitude as a HEAD Coach. He may be the world's greatest assistant coach, but he is not the best Head Coach. I am highly concerned that this team is going to fall apart before we even get to near Christmas.

And don't even start with the "Sean Miller went 0-3 in the Bahamas" nonsense. Everyone knew that team had major problems off the court and it produced what it could so no I'm not getting into it any further than that. This team doesn't have those issues. The issue is standing on that sideline with his arms folded up. Tunnel Vision Tommy needs an absolute reality check.

I am beginning to worry that the reality check is going to come in the form of missing the Big Dance all together.

He has no NBA players. I get it. He leaned heavily on NBA talent to this point and now that he actually needs to "Coach" he is getting blistered.

This is not Arizona Basketball. This is garbage. I am not going to sit back and accept it all year.

[arxpert]

https://x.com/BearDownU/status/1862308945718911371?t=AmYxnOGk4Yeszzp1NxyB_Q&s=19

KJ Lewis or Bradley need to come of the bench. It sounds very counter intuitive, but the fact of the matter is Love is the "superstar" that Tommy wants out there even if no one else agrees. Tommy has only ever coached Arizona with the mentality of having 1 Super Star guard and then a plethora of Bigs to overpower opponents. Right now, teams are game planning to make KJ have to do more than he should be doing which is hurting this offense and they are also baiting Bradley into thinking he needs to be our Superman because Love is struggling. Those 3 are all great guards, but they should not be playing together. Pick 2. We rarely need all 3 out there together. Someone needs to be the Jet Terry and it can't be Tony Del Orso.

This is some piss poor Coaching at best. At worst... I'm just going to leave it at that.

[FOOS]

I am beginning to go back to my original thought about Tommy Lloyd from his inception at Arizona.

He is not fit to be a Head Coach at this level.

Before you foam at the mouth, just look at the facts.

Once he lost Sean Miller's NBA players, he has just progressively fallen off harder and harder, earlier in the season each year.

We are now at an inflection point where he is actually turning Arizona into a real Mid Major.

Thoroughly outcoached, outsmarted, out toughed, and even making poor recruiting decisions.

He played our 2 Mid Major transfers heavily over these 2 games. Yes it worked vs Davidson as it should work when you have 2 of last season's best Mid Major players in the nation, but now we faced a decent Power 5 program and got decimated.

I don't care what the scoreboard said. This team never had the lead today. This game was never actually close even if it was numerically within grasp or even down to a possession. This team made multiple runs in spite of how Tommy was coaching, not due to how Tommy was coaching in order to cut it to a respectable deficit. We even got within 3 with multiple attempts available to go tie it or close the gap to 1. Never happened.

In fact, Love was the only one who had a good game. He, acting alone and rogue, decided that he had to go for it for this team to even be in the game at all. If Love was "off", then we lose this game by 20, maybe even 30 without any chance at all. There is nothing special about that Oklahoma team. This has everything to do with Arizona not being what they think they are, what we think they should be.

Tommy took Awaka off the court AGAIN just like Duke because he got scared again that Oklahoma was using 6'11 240lb players. No one was in foul trouble. Go look at the box score. Show me where we were overmatched? Instead of trusting that Awaka can play bigger than his actual size and outwork anyone, he just simply won't play Awaka. He didn't play Henri at all... is he hurt? Sick? Someone let me know. Then Carter had to sit there and watch for all but 8 minutes when he possessed the length to close out on the perimeter. Tommy begged Oklahoma to take a bunch of 3's and put the worst possible players for perimeter defense on the floor. What did you expect to happen?

Oklahoma had 2 players who shot the ball in volume. We had 1. Then what? Just a 1-7 game from KJ Lewis? Listen up. KJ Lewis is all the Heart and Grit in the world, but he is not a shooter. He doesn't ever need 7 shots in a game unless they are dunks or layups. So another strategy developing??? Make KJ shoot the ball if he is out there. That's something Tommy should see. Rather than challenge KJ to prove them all wrong, get a Shooter on the floor. Carter obviously got the cane (the yank) off stage for missing 3 shots. Bullshit. That is piss poor coaching.

What do you expect? Krivas is incapable of playing more than around 20 minutes. He is a gigantic ogre. If it isn't served up on a silver platter he is incapable of affecting the game.

Tony Del Orso may have had a decent game for himself, but what about for the team? He played above his weight class and was again a defensive liability. Townsend just can't play his game / style in this system. I actually like Townsend a lot. I think he is supremely talented at the College Level and he is the perfect Tournament style player in terms of a Matchup problem, but what a big mistake it was to recruit him to come here if it ended up costing us continuity and Tommy won't run the offense through him. It is just a big mess that didn't need to happen.

We are getting dangerously close to needing to start Conrad at PG if it means someone who can effectively run a system offense, find open players, and take/make an open shot here and there. Someone who can actually break down the defense with the intention to make the high IQ pass knowing that the opponent knows what he is going to do, but they still can't stop it.

I am very very VERY close to asking the Boosters to start pooling money to break the contract with Tommy Lloyd. I don't really care about his "story" or how great his track record WAS. He is already long in the tooth at recruiting. I don't care who he secured for the future so far. He is losing players faster than he brings them in at this point mostly to transferring. Maybe those players weren't all great, but the fact of the matter is some members here think they Needed to sit for a year to learn then they would get better and come in to help. That is not the landscape of College Basketball anymore.

Beyond that, be honest. If Tommy is bringing in these guys to train and develop them, then why is he recruiting over top of them? Does he actually think that these players will sit on that bench and do nothing except practice all year only to accept being spit in their face by Tommy bringing in some transfers that play their position?

Garbage.

We are talking about right here, right now. This is not acceptable at all. It isn't about losing in the Bahamas. It is about his absolute ineptitude as a HEAD Coach. He may be the world's greatest assistant coach, but he is not the best Head Coach. I am highly concerned that this team is going to fall apart before we even get to near Christmas.

And don't even start with the "Sean Miller went 0-3 in the Bahamas" nonsense. Everyone knew that team had major problems off the court and it produced what it could so no I'm not getting into it any further than that. This team doesn't have those issues. The issue is standing on that sideline with his arms folded up. Tunnel Vision Tommy needs an absolute reality check.

I am beginning to worry that the reality check is going to come in the form of missing the Big Dance all together.

He has no NBA players. I get it. He leaned heavily on NBA talent to this point and now that he actually needs to "Coach" he is getting blistered.

This is not Arizona Basketball. This is garbage. I am not going to sit back and accept it all year.

I had no idea we would be such a disappointment

[KansasCityCats]

I didn't read the long novel but what do you mean by "Arizona fell harder" each season"?

He inherited a roster from an NCAA-investigated team that went 29-27 over the past 3 seasons in conference play (while the Pac-12 was absolute garbage).

He immediately broke NCAA records with his win totals, never finished below 2nd in the Pac-12, made the Sweet 16 in 2 of his 3 seasons and recently lost back-to-back games for the first time in 112 opportunities.

If you don't think he's fit to be a D-1 coach, then 99% of the D-1 coaches should quit.  Lloyd is capable, although I personally think that allowing Love to return will prevent this year's team from making a deep postseason run.  Hopefully I'm wrong because the 5th year senior really wants to win...

[Naterade]

So far I'm blaming the struggles on roster chemistry and lack of development. Krivas is not good. He's ok at best. Ballo was a huge loss and we should not have pushed him out. I never thought Krivas was a pro prospect like so many said last year. KJ can't get out of his own way, his effort is amazing but the technicals are brutal and he really struggles to finish easy shots around the rim. Jaden and Awaka are the only two I'm really impressed with so far. Jaden needs to get more shots up. Caleb should be shooting more kid range shots. It's either a long three or a drive so far. Carter needs more time, he took a few threes last yesterday and that's all he did. Terrible use of him so far. He should be cutting and catching lobs. Duh! I can respect that Lloyd has his favorite players and let's them play through some struggles, but it's hard to watch so far.

[arxpert]

I didn't read the long novel but what do you mean by "Arizona fell harder" each season"?

He inherited a roster from an NCAA-investigated team that went 29-27 over the past 3 seasons in conference play (while the Pac-12 was absolute garbage).

He immediately broke NCAA records with his win totals, never finished below 2nd in the Pac-12, made the Sweet 16 in 2 of his 3 seasons and recently lost back-to-back games for the first time in 112 opportunities.

If you don't think he's fit to be a D-1 coach, then 99% of the D-1 coaches should quit.  Lloyd is capable, although I personally think that allowing Love to return will prevent this year's team from making a deep postseason run.  Hopefully I'm wrong because the 5th year senior really wants to win...

I think you can only plead ignorance for so long and ignorance is not an excuse. Especially when you are going to refuse to acknowledge what was said since you lead out with "I didn't read the novel".

I think you should continue to take the role of optimist if you want to, but in order to do so, you must logically acknowledge the fact that every season is different and every roster has been different. You must also logically acknowledge the malpractice in recruiting that is going on and acknowledge the lack of coaching on the floor.

It is becoming a script how this team loses. As in, tell me the Opponent (and year the game was played) and tell me that Arizona Lost the game and I can probably tell you what the box score looks like to a fairly accurate extent based on how Tommy coaches his teams.

I have yet to be debunked.

Your historical factoids have no bearing on what we are seeing right now, but when you speak to them it sounds like you actually agree with me overall as Tommy has gotten worse and worse. The Head Coach thing... he can show up to Oklahoma next season and try what he does. I don't think he will emulate the same results he has had here in his first few years.

[arxpert]

Ballo was a huge loss and we should not have pushed him out.

Didn't Ballo run out of eligibility with us? Either way you make good points. Tommy has a true swiss army knife of a roster to work with and he is using the screwdriver to try to cut through the rope. The path to Most resistance right now. I'm sure you can cut through the rope eventually, but there is a knife that can get it done easier.

There is my attempt at a metaphor.

I wish it was "Tommy can lead his horses to water, but can't make them drink".

But that was Sean Miller's metaphor.

We need to see some major adjustments to roles and minutes going forward after this game today. Get back, regroup, and polish the turd before Big12 Play starts up.

[KansasCityCats]

Everybody on sports forums have been debunked.  When Lloyd was hired, you said that the standard for success was conference titles and regular season wins.  He accomplished those feats with ease.

Until this season, he created tough OOC schedules and won those matchups, in addition to finding success through a mix of international, high school and transfer recruits.

I don't strictly use eternal optimism.  This year's team has issues but we all knew that it would stem from the return of Caleb Love.  The kid plays hard but doesn't allow the rest of the team to run our offense.

This is an operational miscue from Lloyd but his coaching rarely results in losses for this team.  The players tend to shoot themselves out of games because we are rarely "out of it" with under 60 seconds to play, which is impressive over a 3+ year span.