Liquidated incessant posting

[MDcAtZ]

Posted one time using the word rumor?? Yeah ok I have seen you post on the topic more than once and not sure if you used rumor every time. 

That was about Miller, not Pitts. I posted it one time and did use the word 'rumored'.

Now on to your statement about Miller supposedly sleeping with college coeds and why or if you stand behind that. I want links to this not my friend heard from another friend that knows this guy BS. Can you provide links to back up your statement?

See above.

So why spread baseless rumors??

In the end, EVEN if there's any truth to any rumor like that, who the fuck cares? If it's consensual and legal, I don't give a flying fuck who he's involved with. It's HIS private life. Only a scumbag would try to smear someone with an unverified rumor about someone's private life. Saying it's a "rumor" doesn't absolve you of that fact. Only saying it once doesn't absolve you of that fact. Are you in high school or something... "oh my God Becky!!! Did you hear who Sean is sleeping with!?!? As if!!!"

[Titan4Wildcats]

I/we've heard all of this before.  Oh, Coach Miller had a top ten recruiting class...and he didn't win the championship.  He didn't get to the Final Four.  Does anyone say that about Duke, when year after year they get one of THE BEST recruiting classes and don't win the title, don't make the FF and sometimes don't even make the tournament.  Where's the questions about Coach K?  Same with Kentucky and Calipari.  Same same with UNC and Williams.  They do this every year.  Bring in the top recruits.  Don't win it all.  Don't get all the glory.  There is so much more besides the Coach that effects all of the outcomes.  Coach Miller has proven over and over again that he is a great Coach.  Anyone that says different either doesn't know much about BB or has other reasons for dissing Coach Miller.

The ol' timers knew how to handle this type of situation.  To the person complaining about Coach Miller's results, they would say..."If you can do better STEP UP.  If not...Shut up. 

The worse part of it all is sometimes it's a Wildcat "fan" who complains so much about the Coach.  Sometimes it's some other team's fan(s) who want to disrespect our Coach.  Neither is acceptable on this site.  This site is for fans to share in the good and the bad of our team.

Bear Down Wildcats!

[Liquidated]

I/we've heard all of this before.  Oh, Coach Miller had a top ten recruiting class...and he didn't win the championship.  He didn't get to the Final Four.  Does anyone say that about Duke, when year after year they get one of THE BEST recruiting classes and don't win the title, don't make the FF and sometimes don't even make the tournament.  Where's the questions about Coach K?  Same with Kentucky and Calipari.  Same same with UNC and Williams.  They do this every year.  Bring in the top recruits.  Don't win it all.  Don't get all the glory.  There is so much more besides the Coach that effects all of the outcomes.  Coach Miller has proven over and over again that he is a great Coach.  Anyone that says different either doesn't know much about BB or has other reasons for dissing Coach Miller.

The ol' timers knew how to handle this type of situation.  To the person complaining about Coach Miller's results, they would say..."If you can do better STEP UP.  If not...Shut up. 

The worse part of it all is sometimes it's a Wildcat "fan" who complains so much about the Coach.  Sometimes it's some other team's fan(s) who want to disrespect our Coach.  Neither is acceptable on this site.  This site is for fans to share in the good and the bad of our team.

Bear Down Wildcats!

This never cease to amaze me. You have no facts here, yet construct an argument based on assumptions.

There are five programs we compete with (or USED TO, anyway). They are, in order of recruiting prowess (Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, UNC and Michigan State). You can look up their average recruiting rankings, as I have done and I have posted, and you would discover that since Miller arrived at Arizona, Kentucky is #1 and Duke and AZ are about even. They are the only two who even come close to Arizona. Kansas is a distant fourth, UNC 5th and Michigan State is not even close. Go ahead, look it up since you probably don't believe me.

LOSING IS NOT THE PROBLEM - ALWAYS LOSING IS. 
I am not certain how many times I need to make this point, but since it clearly did not get across to some as wise and experienced as your self on these boards - I have always conceded that major upsets happen. Wichita State or Miami of Ohio, teams we should have never, ever lost to, can beat you. That is the nature of the tournament. But guess what happened 2 years after? 

2 years after losing to Wichita State in the first round, we lost to Buffalo, in the first round.
2 years after losing to Miami of Ohio in the first round, WE WON THE F888ING NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. BIG DIFFERENCE. HUGE DIFFERENCE.  OH...and Incidentally - the year before we lost to Miami of Ohio, we were in the FINAL FOUR. See how that works? 1 Horrible loss is mitigated by a final four appearance and a national championship in the space of four years. But 10 YEARS IN A ROW OF BAD LOSSES OR NO TOURNAMENT AT ALL....BIG DIFFERENCE. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Just for fun, go back and look at what those respective recruiting classes were ranked.


YES, DUKE AND KENTUCKY AND UNC (AND MICHIGAN STATE AND KANSAS) HAVE ALL HAD EARLY ROUND LOSSES OR LOSES TO LOWER SEEDS...
And I am only speaking since Miller came to Arizona, but the fact is those programs do lose and do get upset....but guess what else they do?

THEY F888ING WIN NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. THEY GO TO THE FINAL FOUR. THEY WIN BIG TIME GAMES OOC AGAINST TOP RANKED OPPONENTS IN THE REGULAR SEASON.

Again, only since Miller has been at Arizona:

KANSAS - 1 National Championship (2008 - technically the year before he got here), 3 Final Fours
MICHIGAN STATE - 0 NC, 3 FF's
UNC - 1 NC, 1 FF
KENTUCKY - 1 NC, 4 FF's
DUKE - 2 NC's, 2 FF's

Couple of points here.
1. OFTEN these teams are playing each other in the final four... so any win is even that much more impressive and losses that much more forgivable.
2. This does not account for the rise of Villanova (2 NC's) or Louisville (1 NC, 2 FF's) or Wisconsin (2 FF's) - in some way those programs are rising because of space created by a program like AZ falling.

You wonder why Coach K is not questioned when he looses an early round game and has so much talent? A: TWO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS IN TEN YEARS.

MILLER ROUTINELY RECRUITS WITH THESE PROGRAMS AND COLLECTIVELY THEY REPRESENT 1/2 OF THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS (more if Michigan State wins it this year) AND 13 FINAL FOURS - AND MILLER HAS ZERO NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS AND ZERO FINAL FOURS.  If it was only 1 year we were comparing then fine. Pick 2013 when none of them were in the final four.. and its all even... but it is now an entire decade of gross under achievement.

"oh but we were one basket away in the Wisconsin game..." Yea, so was every single one of these programs in a year that they failed. A blown call or a key injury...everyone has excuses for losing. But they ALL came back and won.

Coach Miller has proven over and over again that he is a great Coach.

When, exactly? Here is where you get stumped. I am not trying to be mean to you, here, seriously, tell me what makes Miller a great coach?

WHAT MAKES A GREAT COACH?
Academic Achievements? Miller had a lot of trouble early on with this.
Player retention? Fail.
Player development? D, maybe F. Most of the players that actually developed were destined for the NBA already, anyway. Improvement is pretty marginal over all. No NBA team plays anything at all like the pack line so its not like he's developing NBA skills. Many recruits considered sure fire lottery picks were not even drafted. Trier, Ashley, Zeus....can you honestly say their game developed significantly while here?   
Community Involvement? Miller is rarely seen or heard from. His wife make public statements about her not liking his job. 
X's & O's? ba ha ha ha ha ha - there aren't any. He plays exactly the same predictable defense 99.9% of the time.
FAN Support/Attendance? - Well, Russ Pennell and Kevin O'Neill are apparently great coaches, too, then. Pretty sure my friends 5th grader could coach and Tucson would support the cats. That is not a function of Miller.
Coaching record?
Against a weekening PAC12  he is getting progressively worse.
Record vs ranked opponents is terrible and extremely anemic because we don't play hardly any. The PAC 12 is out of his control, Lute used to play 5 or more every year just in conference.. I do not fault him for that. But then why not schedule tougher OOC games? Remember the home and home with Kansas? With Texas when they were a top 10 program? Remember the year we played like 8 ranked opponents before the conference season even started? Now we play in the Bahamas...and lose to nobodies.
Record in the tournament? Zero Final fours. Really bad first round losses to vastly inferior teams that did not advance. Consistent losses to lower seeds.
Recruiting? Yes Miller recruits with the very best. He gets the one and dones that get the class rankings up higher and get drafted a year later but what about the rest of his recruits...like our entire roster from this past year?
Runs a clean program? Epic Fail.

PLEASE- tell me when, where, how Miller has proven he is great coach? 

You are regurgitating colloquial, non fact driven, emotional attitudes towards the AZ basketball program. You cannot understand that dispassionate, fact driven, result based criticism is not mutually exclusive from fandom.

And yes, I could do better. My friends 5th grader said earlier this season "we don't shoot very well - they should work on that". Interesting that some world class computer programmers and an AI super computer arrived at the same conclusion and the Golden State Warriors were the result. Gee, if we only had a connection there we could maybe implement a winning offense. It does not take a basketball genius to see what needs to be done. Remember when Lute brought in a shooting form specialist as a consultant? Steve Kerr does. Remember when Pastner worked wth Bibby on his unorthodox shot and his shooting % went up? 
1. I would not hire unethical assistants and I would know exactly what they were doing and what type of people they are. I say this from experience, I ran a clean business with quality people for more than a decade in a notoriously unethical industry (liquor). 
2. I would hire better X's and O's assistants who could install multiple defenses and who understand the modern game.
3. I would play to the players strengths, speed, athleticism, etc instead of trying to obviate them and try to make everyone fit into a single system.
4. I would hire better PR people or handle it myself and I'd punch back at ESPN if they lied.

I've seen this all before, blind homer-ism, excuses for a program in rapid decline, acceptance of gross unethical behavior... and if anyone says anything, that is 'not acceptable', needs to be banned....there is word for the singular viewpoint and groupthink you seek - Fascism.

[ichi]

It's obvious that this guy is the site administrator (or a friend of his) posting hot takes to drum up discussion on the message boards. As a new forum, that's an understandable tactic to jumpstart discussion.

All of you that are complaining about it are pretty slow! There is no human being who is capable of using a computer that has such bad takes, you've all just taken the bait.

good as any explanation I've heard

but seriously, brilliantly played, he's flipped a thread about people bitching at him into a longwinded diatribe supported by opinions dressed as lockdown facts

briliant

[Titan4Wildcats]

And how many years have they been coaching?  And how long before they went to their first final four?  Championship?  And did they have years where their star OAD fought with them the whole season?  Did they have seasons where lies were told and major pressures put on the program.  Coach Miller still put a team on the floor that competed through all the BS that's come up and we've still watched some great BB.
P.S. He's currently on a road that will take him to making some lie spreading people eat crow.  Maybe you might want to hold back for another season. 
P.S. P.S.  A normal fan site is for fans to share the good times, the great games, the success of their local team.  Not to criticize a person doing a LOT better job that quite a few others would do "walking in his shoes".  We want to appreciate our team and coaching staff.  That's why some get upset when someone comes telling them their coach isn't any good.  Especially after his record of wins/competition/and recruiting success all went up quite a few years in a row, to a respectable level...short time, after inheriting a Fire Sale.  Those are the statistics that count to those of us that were watching as the UofA BB team was torn up, and then watched Coach Miller put us back into the spotlight within a few seasons.  I'll cover his back anytime. 

[FOOS]

I say as long as he's respectful to others we should be open to different points of view....  If you don't like what he posts - move on.  Kinda like changing the radio station.....

[2020champs]

STOP MEASURING SUCCESS ON FINAL FOURS, I could dispute a lot of other points too but stop ignoring the 3 elite 8's and 2 sweet 16's which compare with a lot of the other great programs in a single decade. It's either you only talk about national championships or you talk about all tournament success, not just final fours that bend your facts to make it look like Miller is a complete tournament failure.

[2020champs]

It's obvious that this guy is the site administrator (or a friend of his) posting hot takes to drum up discussion on the message boards. As a new forum, that's an understandable tactic to jumpstart discussion.

All of you that are complaining about it are pretty slow! There is no human being who is capable of using a computer that has such bad takes, you've all just taken the bait.

good as any explanation I've heard

but seriously, brilliantly played, he's flipped a thread about people bitching at him into a longwinded diatribe supported by opinions dressed as lockdown facts

briliant

Don't think WILD is that click desperate

[ichi]

Don't think WILD is that click desperate

of course not, its absurd, everything about this is silly

[WILD]

I'll bet you anything the rumor posted on Miller was started because he took a Pic or was talking with a young female because people just assume things & run with it.  The rumor about Miller is just ridiculous & needs to be put to rest! Anyone can make things up & say they heard this and that about a coach or a player, but without proof it can harm a person's reputation.

Also, I would hope that the members of this site would know that I would never create posts to stir things up & create clicks. Liquid has been around UofA forums for a while & goes by the name of Wyno I believe. He did let me know that he's been kicked/banned from other sites upon joining PPU. I did have a recent conversation with him about toning it down a bit & he has agreed to do so. We appreciate different points of views & even a rumor or 2 as long as it's not damaging to a person's reputation.